Treblaine said:
Crazie_Guy said:
Dammit... I wish the "experts" hadn't resorted to such ridiculous hyperbole with "Durp, dis shit can take out A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER... nerp!" which is patently ridiculous, it just makes everyone ignore them.
I wouldn't say that this is entirely rediculous, merely unlikely. From any distance it's going to be impossible to aim it accurately enough to do anything more than perhaps ruin the pilot's night vision for a few seconds, and that is nothing near enough to cause a crash.
It's things like an aircraft on final approach which can cause problems... the perspex windows on modern jetliners are always slightly scratched due to wear from abrasion with dust and whatnot in the air, and just general wear... not enough to affect visiability under normal conditions, but a high powered laser shining onto these windows at night will cause a hell of a lot of scattering and refraction, which would SEVERELY impede both the pilot's ability to see out (A 1 watt laser is really frickin' bright), and make it more difficult for them to read the instruments (while vision out of the windows is not nessecary to make a safe landing, being able to read the instruments is). It would also temporarily blind them... which makes reading the dimly lit instruments difficult. Again, this on it's own would probably not cause an accident... it would certainly be a major distraction, but I doubt it would be powerful enough to completely prevent a pilot from making an instrument landing.
However, while the laser on it's own wouldn't bring down a plane, hardly any aviation incident is caused by one thing alone... What would happen if a plane was having difficulties, perhaps a failure of some important instruments or some other problem? Suddenly, visability out the windows becomes a hell of a lot more important. A laser may end up being the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes an otherwise minor incident to escalate into a disaster.
Unlikely? Yes, of course. But to claim that the threat lasers pose to aircraft is 'rediculous' is plain naiive. The last thing pilots need is a laser shining into their cockpit. Particularly somthing like a light aircraft, which has less instrumentation and requires more pilot imput to fly safely than a commercial jet.
It's all highly unlikely, because airports and the surrounding area are crawling with security, planes move very fast so this is vanishingly small. I mean a greater concern is ANY high power rifle, which can do more damage than this laser, but modern aircraft are full of double if not triple redundancy. Two engines, two hydraulic systems, two flight computers, two pilots, etc. Nothing short of simultaneously blasting a large hole in a fuel tank AND igniting the fuel will bring a plane down with any certainty. I mean blowing a hole in the fuselage won't even do it as in the case of Aloha Airlines 243. You really do need high explosives, a lot of high explosives, detonated in the right place to bring down a jet.
And if the plane's windows are scratched enough to refract the laser, that is a GOOD thing! 1 watt is not a lot of power, it is only dangerous in a laser because of how focused it is, scattering it over just a square foot would make it no worse than shining a torch in their face.
People have been obsessing and speculating over "what could bring down a commercial jet" and people are certainly losing a lot of perspective and muddying the issue.
"a high powered laser shining onto these windows at night will cause a hell of a lot of scattering and refraction, which would SEVERELY impede both the pilot's ability to see out"
SEVERELY impede?!!? What. the. hell.
Pilots take off and land by instruments, why would they need to see out at a black sky and black horizon? The instruments are brightly lit and anyway if there was any problem the pilot can simply abort, pull up and fly away. They don't need to look at anything to do that, just follow their training and ease back on the yolk and announce an abort to the tower.
I am a MAJOR plane geek and probably for all the air travel I do I look into air-crash investigations a lot.
And what are the chances that the pilot just happens to be overloaded with crisis after crisis in the cockpit only then a 1 in a trillion chance a laser shoots in and fries both of he pilot's pair of eyeballs? No, refraction won't do it, the laser has the hit each eye directly dead centre and hold there without them blinking or ducking.
You're the Naive one here, you're the one dwelling in INCREDIBLY REMOTE possibilities which CANNOT be repeated, the second someone tries this then a metric ton of shit will come down on them, airports are saturated in security cameras someone shooting from a car with gets their reg number recorded and their door knocked down by Government hard nuts... any other mode of transport won't get away in time. So this is not like a silent fault that can repeat over and over again till it coincides with another problem, this happens once and that is the last time.
I mean someone trying this might as well point a fake gun at an armed officer... it is just as likely to hurt anyone and just as likely to land you in a world of shit. The only reason anyone would attempt this are those who are both extremely stupid and mentally disturbed, deluded to think it would have any effect and likely want to get caught in some attention seeking effort.