Reasons to not be worried about the Xbox One

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EstrogenicMuscle

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Genocidicles said:
It doesn't matter about your connection, it matters about Microsoft's. What if there's another launch day fiasco like Diablo 3 or Simcity?
I guess we would just have to...

Deal with it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o]

Okay, I'm abusing too many memes right now. I love how Microsoft is basically in the same position as Adam Orth now. I've got a better idea that acting like video game systems aren't for people other than anyone with the fastest internet connection. How about we not require any and all software to have an internet connection?

And video game consoles are supposed to be for people who want to play games. Not for people who have the latest and greatest internet. Sorry, I guess the new XBOX isn't for me if I don't have the best internet. Guess I'll mosy on over to give another console my money, then? Meanwhile, while I do that, the always on system won't get any games. Because people who want to put up with that are a minority.

Meanwhile, a lot of the software on my PC doesn't even require an "always on" connection. If I want to play Guilty Gear X2 that I bought from Good old Games, all I have to do is click a desktop icon. Whether or not I have an internet connection.
 

Guy from the 80's

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Genocidicles said:
Guy from the 80 said:
Regarding the internet thing, Im not worried. I got a fast connection. And to those who are still on Isdn, the console is obviously not ment for you.
It doesn't matter about your connection, it matters about Microsoft's. What if there's another launch day fiasco like Diablo 3 or Simcity?
Well, they said they are deploying 300000 servers which is an insane amount.It also seem like EA is putting a lot into this. Microsoft known just how much thats at stake so they are not going to hold back.
 

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I'm struggling to see why I should care about Xbox One.

Kinekt? Not interested.

Voice controls? I live in an apartment. I like to play games late at night when other people are sleeping. I'm not going to use this bullshit; I'm going to use the damn controller.

Integrated TV/music/video/skype/gaming? Cool I guess, although that's nothing the 360 doesn't already let you do with a few more menu selects. I've never been sitting there, and thought "damn, I wish I could stop playing this game so I could check what's on TV, then listen to 5 seconds of music before getting back to my game".

The games - lovely pre-rendered stuff and high-res character models. If the actual release games consistently look like that, I'll eat my Xbox pad. You know, one of the really big original ones.

I just don't care for the new functionality. I don't care that it's all integrated and media-y. I like the fact that I'll keep the same gamertag and gamerscore but it's rendered moot by the fact that I won't be able to play any of my game library any more - even the "future-proofed" digital download ones.

I can see 360 being my last console. There are bigger things in life than gaming. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.
 

Guy from the 80's

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Batou667 said:
I just don't care for the new functionality. I don't care that it's all integrated and media-y. I like the fact that I'll keep the same gamertag and gamerscore but it's rendered moot by the fact that I won't be able to play any of my game library any more - even the "future-proofed" digital download ones.

I can see 360 being my last console. There are bigger things in life than gaming. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.
Whats going to stop you from playing your 360 library on your 360?
 

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Guy from the 80 said:
Batou667 said:
I just don't care for the new functionality. I don't care that it's all integrated and media-y. I like the fact that I'll keep the same gamertag and gamerscore but it's rendered moot by the fact that I won't be able to play any of my game library any more - even the "future-proofed" digital download ones.

I can see 360 being my last console. There are bigger things in life than gaming. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.
Whats going to stop you from playing your 360 library on your 360?
The 360 inevitably breaking.
 

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Someone please answer me this. Wouldn't the 3 Operating Systems, the Kinect/SmartGlass combo, the movie/tv guides and whatnot use some of the 8GB ram for themselves? I doubt the Kinect and OS could be shut down, and the movie and TV crap would probably use some ram to be on standby to lower loading times or something else.
 

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Anathrax said:
Someone please answer me this. Wouldn't the 3 Operating Systems, the Kinect/SmartGlass combo, the movie/tv guides and whatnot use some of the 8GB ram for themselves? I doubt the Kinect and OS could be shut down, and the movie and TV crap would probably use some ram to be on standby to lower loading times or something else.
From what I read, yeah, those 3 things will use up not only RAM but processing power, too (much like Windows does for PC), so whatever specs they gave will not all be used for gaming.
 

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KarmaTheAlligator said:
Guy from the 80 said:
Batou667 said:
I just don't care for the new functionality. I don't care that it's all integrated and media-y. I like the fact that I'll keep the same gamertag and gamerscore but it's rendered moot by the fact that I won't be able to play any of my game library any more - even the "future-proofed" digital download ones.

I can see 360 being my last console. There are bigger things in life than gaming. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.
Whats going to stop you from playing your 360 library on your 360?
The 360 inevitably breaking.
Good point sir. But do you think old games will be on the marketplace? I know buying a game twice is annoying, but I bought Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Black on it and thats pretty ok by me.
 

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Guy from the 80 said:
KarmaTheAlligator said:
Guy from the 80 said:
Batou667 said:
I just don't care for the new functionality. I don't care that it's all integrated and media-y. I like the fact that I'll keep the same gamertag and gamerscore but it's rendered moot by the fact that I won't be able to play any of my game library any more - even the "future-proofed" digital download ones.

I can see 360 being my last console. There are bigger things in life than gaming. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.
Whats going to stop you from playing your 360 library on your 360?
The 360 inevitably breaking.
Good point sir. But do you think old games will be on the marketplace? I know buying a game twice is annoying, but I bought Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Black on it and thats pretty ok by me.
To be honest, I really don't see game companies remaking their games for the new architecture, they'll be too busy making sequel after sequel. But anything is possible, if there's enough demand for it (it could in fact be something they have to resort to if the new console proves unpopular enough).
 

Batou667

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Guy from the 80 said:
Whats going to stop you from playing your 360 library on your 360?
Nothing - until they inevitably close down the servers and the multiplayer population all migrates to Xbox1.
 

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Anathrax said:
Someone please answer me this. Wouldn't the 3 Operating Systems, the Kinect/SmartGlass combo, the movie/tv guides and whatnot use some of the 8GB ram for themselves? I doubt the Kinect and OS could be shut down, and the movie and TV crap would probably use some ram to be on standby to lower loading times or something else.
Actually, it never descends into a standby mode, freeing up CPU and GPU cycles and RAM for other processes. The tri-operating system operates essentially two segmented systems at the same time. Think of it as having two PCs in one box - but they both draw from the same RAM, CPU and GPU.

If you dig through Microsoft's insane media garble, you'll come across a few interesting snippets. Three of the 8 available CPU cores are unavailable for Developers. Only 5gb of the 8gb DDR3 RAM is available for Developers. Those three CPU cores and 3gb DDR3 are used entirely for the bullshit we saw today. All of that wonderfully useless TV crap chews up around a third of the entire systems performance.

When you're not using the TV and media crap, the system is still allocating resources to it and it's still running, waiting for you to pause your video game so you can watch The Price is Right while Skyping with your grandmother.
 

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JokerboyJordan said:
Yes, I realise there's several other threads, but they're all spewing bullshit and hate and I thought it would be better to just show the FACTS about the console.

According to this [http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa], the official FAQ.

It will not require an "always on" internet connection.
"No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet. We?re designing Xbox One to be your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready. We are also designing it so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your connection."

Your current Xbox Live Membership, Gamertag and Achievements carry over

"Yes. Your current Xbox Live Gamertag will stay with you on Xbox One if you choose to keep it, and your hard-earned Gamerscore and Achievements will indeed carry over from Xbox 360."

It will NOT be backwards compatible
"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games?games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."

You can still trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games
"We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We?ll have more details to share later."


Whilst the last statement may sound slightly ominous, we'll just have to wait and see.

I'll update the post as necessary.
Hahahaha, you have obviously never learned to speak PR.
You picked up all the wrong things.
Look at what he's actually saying, look at the obvious things he isn't saying.
That may sound as something what conspiracy theorists say, but it's simply how PR works.
Larry Hryb has worked in this industry for quite a while and knows how it works. This is a well crafted and well prepared PR statement and needs to be read and treated as such. What you are doing here is exactly falling into the patterns they have set up.

I hate to bring up my own threads, but please read this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.408564-MajorNelsons-Xbox-Wire-FAQ-for-the-Xbox-One
 

Whitbane

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Jesus fuck. Try to polish this goddamn turd all you want, it's still going to be a piece of shit in the end.

Seriously, this was a monstrous fuck up.
 

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It will NOT be backwards compatible
"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games?games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."
This statement set off my bullshit alarm in quite a spectacular way, there is no reason for the architecture to prevent backwards compatibility unless they wanted it to and designed it in such a way as to prevent it, whilst their statement is technically correct the way they've said it is heavily twisted so as to make it look like something they could do nothing about.

To be honest, I never planned on getting the new Xbox anyway, I just like reading up about this stuff.
 

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Ickorus said:
It will NOT be backwards compatible
"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games?games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."
This statement set off my bullshit alarm in quite a spectacular way, there is no reason for the architecture to prevent backwards compatibility unless they wanted it to and designed it in such a way as to prevent it, whilst their statement is technically correct the way they've said it is heavily twisted so as to make it look like something they could do nothing about.

To be honest, I never planned on getting the new Xbox anyway, I just like reading up about this stuff.
360 has PowerPC tri-cores clocked at 3.2GHz each, new Xbox has 8 x86-64 cores clocked at 2GHz. Emulation would be an absolute nightmare (how do you get a slower core to emulate a faster one, at playable speeds?). Emulation of the first Xbox is possible for the One, that one had a single core 733MHz processor, but Microsoft wouldn't pump R&D dollars into that, given the low return on investment.
 

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RikuoAmero said:
Ickorus said:
It will NOT be backwards compatible
"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games?games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."
This statement set off my bullshit alarm in quite a spectacular way, there is no reason for the architecture to prevent backwards compatibility unless they wanted it to and designed it in such a way as to prevent it, whilst their statement is technically correct the way they've said it is heavily twisted so as to make it look like something they could do nothing about.

To be honest, I never planned on getting the new Xbox anyway, I just like reading up about this stuff.
360 has PowerPC tri-cores clocked at 3.2GHz each, new Xbox has 8 x86-64 cores clocked at 2GHz. Emulation would be an absolute nightmare (how do you get a slower core to emulate a faster one, at playable speeds?). Emulation of the first Xbox is possible for the One, that one had a single core 733MHz processor, but Microsoft wouldn't pump R&D dollars into that, given the low return on investment.
I'm able to play Beneath A Steel Sky, the original Dungeon Keeper, the first Command and Conquer and the a LOT of other older games on my PC. I mean seriously, stuff that came out over 15 years ago. If they can make those "ancient" pieces of software work on a very modern PC I have no doubt they can make a 7 year old game work on the XBone
 

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JenSeven said:
RikuoAmero said:
Ickorus said:
It will NOT be backwards compatible
"Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games?games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment you have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future."
This statement set off my bullshit alarm in quite a spectacular way, there is no reason for the architecture to prevent backwards compatibility unless they wanted it to and designed it in such a way as to prevent it, whilst their statement is technically correct the way they've said it is heavily twisted so as to make it look like something they could do nothing about.

To be honest, I never planned on getting the new Xbox anyway, I just like reading up about this stuff.
360 has PowerPC tri-cores clocked at 3.2GHz each, new Xbox has 8 x86-64 cores clocked at 2GHz. Emulation would be an absolute nightmare (how do you get a slower core to emulate a faster one, at playable speeds?). Emulation of the first Xbox is possible for the One, that one had a single core 733MHz processor, but Microsoft wouldn't pump R&D dollars into that, given the low return on investment.
I'm able to play Beneath A Steel Sky, the original Dungeon Keeper, the first Command and Conquer and the a LOT of other older games on my PC. I mean seriously, stuff that came out over 15 years ago. If they can make those "ancient" pieces of software work on a very modern PC I have no doubt they can make a 7 year old game work on the XBone
Those games worked on an ancient OS on very weak machinery. 360 emulation on One? Can't be done. You'd have to figure out some way to get the eight 2GHz cores to somehow work as three 3.2GHz cores and as someone who does a lot of emulation gaming, I cannot see how that can be done at a playable frame rate. About the only way the One could have been backwards compatible is to do what the first fat PS3's had, and stuffed 360 hardware in the box (those PS3's had the Emotion Engine chips from the PS2 inside).
 

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I said it on a different thread i'll say it again, it may as well be a US exclusive, those "great" tv functions will only work in the US on release, so what do we EU guys have to look forward to right now? Oh CGI of Forza, Quantum sumat, a cod that basically looks like Black Ops 2 and YAY kinect...again...I don't want a kinect.

I really didn't see anything next gen and all this has to connect every 24 hours makes me not want one, i'll just spend the £3-400 to buy a 2nd gpu for my pc.
 

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KarmaTheAlligator said:
Jayemsal said:
Racecarlock said:
Why is not being backwards compatible a good thing? I can't just rebuy all old games on the next console, especially since they won't all be available.

I can't just keep old consoles forever. I don't have infinite space here.
OH....

But you CAN buy all those games again....

At top dollar price even...

Are you not lucky?
Not if they're not re-made for the new console, you can't.


This is done literally every console generation, they ALWAYS re-code them, because idiots will always buy them.
 

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I wonder how many people I've been ninja'd by to come here and say I'm not worried cus I know for damn sure I'm not getting one (no pun intended).

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