Rebecca Black's new single.

[anthony87]

I don't get what's so wrong about it?

Sure, it's not a great song and she's not a great artist. We already knew that.

But she's a 13 year old and she's actually a professional artist. How many 13 year old can say that they're professional artists, even if bad ones?

Let's put that into a video game comparison:

She's a 13 year old making video games. It's a cover-based third person shooter featuring a male Caucasian space marine. Every time you kill an enemy you have to go through a long quick time event or you die. Your space marine can only carry a single weapon at a time. As soon as you duck behind cover you become invulnerable and totally healed. To spice things up there are random additional quick time events that can kill you. You gain an achievement for every single button you press.

Now if you're a sane person there's only one sentence in the above that you paid real attention to: "She's a 13 year old making video games".

She's 13! It doesn't matter if it's good! It's not supposed to be good! Nothing you do at 13 can possibly be 'good' when compared to professional adults! It's not about being good, it's about just doing it!

When I was 13 I spend my time playing video games, watching TV, doing some sports and occasionally paying attention at school. I think I drooled a bit at times. I may or may not have collected pokémon cards.

She's fucking impressive in my book. She's 13 and she's a professional artist. She's 13 and has been on various huge TV shows. What did you do at 13?

You're aware that she basically paid to have the song and music video for "Friday" made for her right? That's not being an artist. That's just paying for fame, horribly horribly undeserved fame.

 

[Hagi]

You're aware that she basically paid to have the song and music video for "Friday" made for her right? That's not being an artist. That's just paying for fame, horribly horribly undeserved fame.

You are aware that she actually made money from those videos?

http://blogs.forbes.com/chrisbarth/2011/03/21/mock-rebecca-black-all-you-want-shes-laughing-to-the-bank/

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/digital-and-mobile/rebecca-black-s-first-week-sales-not-bad-1005084972.story

That is exactly being a professional artist? Making money with an artistic medium.

Mind you, I didn't say she was a good artist. She's a horrible artist. But she's also 13, so who cares about that? Just don't listen to her if you're not her mother.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

That design the skyline reminds me of attack attack
Its like techno pop mixed with screamo metal.

But Attack Attack! can do it good.
Example:

 

[SadakoMoose]

She's kind of like A younger American Yuki Saito, but with LESS singing ability.
Give her some outrageous costumes, more dance mixes, some more Eurobeat and Hardstyle influence and you'll have a halfway decent pop starlet.
I mean she's cute enough, and has what we call a "Winning Smile".
Besides, she can kind the backlash against annoying youtube commentators and trolls.
The important thing is not to push her on people TOO hard just yet, and not let her image get TOO stale.
The problem with previous starlets is that they were pushed toward celebrity so hard that they saturated the market with their face and made people sick of them. Like Tiffany, or Robin Smiles.

I'd try to market as sort of the "Synthpop Girl Next Door", with the innocent smile and awesome dance mixes.
Maybe add a TINGE of Yoko Oginome to her image

 

[Pyro Paul]

You might want to check the definition of professional:
"following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder. "

Professional is exactly a title you earn when you make money (AKA a livelihood) with something you do. Practice and skill only matter in so far as someone will hire you.

Working at a fast food restaurant does make you a professional cook. Cook is your profession. Therefore you're a professional cook. What it doesn't make you is a good cook.

If your friend isn't able to make a living out of being a pianist then she is NOT a professional pianist. She may be a very good pianist, but she isn't a professional pianist. Pianist is not her profession, thus she is not a professional pianist.

Rebecca Black is a professional artist. What she isn't is a good artist. But those are two very very different things. But you know, she's 13 so who cares whether she's good or not.

sigh...

Look at the Word professional.
notice, it is comprised of a word and a suffix.
Profession -al

now, as with most all words in the english language, adding '-al' as a suffix will mean 'of' or more accuratly 'pertaining to'

so Professional would litterally mean
Profession of.

and because it is an adj. it would be placed before a noun.
Professional Artist = Profession of someone that does art*
(the ist suffix denotes 'someone that (does)')

so now that we've properly disected 'Professional Artist'
lets look at it.

Profession of someone that does Art

now lets define the word 'Profession'

although there are multiple definitions, Most of which are tied to religion (profess- to announce/declare, ergo profession- is the act of announcement/declaring 'his profession of the end of days could be heard clear across the square')

Profession (when describing work)
a vocation(job) founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training

so a professional artist is:
someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art.
-or-
someone with specialized/taught in making Art.

contrast to Professional builder:
some one specialized/taught in Building.
to Professional Killer:
some one specialized/taught in Killing.

You see a dictionary is ment to help you quickly understand the basic meaning behind a word so that you can understand them in the context they are probably used... from there you can then clarify the meaning through the context it is found in. As such, a Professional Criminal from your definition would be a person that is capable of making a living off of Crime. Yet in the context of the liturature it is found in, for instance Sherlock Holmes, it would mean a Criminal able to ply is trade and gain enough money off it to live comfortably with out getting caught... a feat of great skill.

Reading all this...
would you really still call Rebecca Black a Professional Artist?

 

[Hagi]

sigh...

Look at the Word professional.
notice, it is comprised of a word and a suffix.
Profession -al

now, as with most all words in the english language, adding '-al' as a suffix will mean 'of' or more accuratly 'pertaining to'

so Professional would litterally mean
Profession of.

and because it is an adj. it would be placed before a noun.
Professional Artist = Profession of someone that does art*
(the ist suffix denotes 'someone that (does)')

so now that we've properly disected 'Professional Artist'
lets look at it.

Profession of someone that does Art

now lets define the word 'Profession'

although there are multiple definitions, Most of which are tied to religion (profess- to announce/declare, ergo profession- is the act of announcement/declaring 'his profession of the end of days could be heard clear across the square')

Profession (when describing work)
a vocation(job) founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training

so a professional artist is:
someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art.
-or-
someone with specialized/taught in making Art.

contrast to Professional builder:
some one specialized/taught in Building.
to Professional Killer:
some one specialized/taught in Killing.

You see a dictionary is ment to help you quickly understand the basic meaning behind a word so that you can understand them in the context they are probably used... from there you can then clarify the meaning through the context it is found in. As such, a Professional Criminal from your definition would be a person that is capable of making a living off of Crime. Yet in the context of the liturature it is found in, for instance Sherlock Holmes, it would mean a Criminal able to ply is trade and gain enough money off it to live comfortably with out getting caught... a feat of great skill.

Reading all this...
would you really still call Rebecca Black a Professional Artist?

sigh... right back at you...

"someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art."

Rebecca Black has a job, namely singer. She sings, and she makes money with it. It's her job.

Her job is founded on the specialised skill of singing. Note that specialised does not mean good. It means:
"To pursue a special activity, occupation, or field of study."
"To concentrate on a particular activity or product."

Rebecca Black is pursuing and concentrating on her activity of singing. As such it's a specialised skill.

Singing is an artistic skill. It's part of an artistic medium, music.

As such Rebecca Black has a job founded on a specialised skill for art. Thus she is a professional artist.

Having a profession means you focus yourself on a particular skill in order to make a livelihood from that skill (it in no way or form has to be a difficult or otherwise challenging skill, you have to be just good enough to make a livelihood out of it).

Rebecca Black is specialising in her skill of singing, she's no good at it but that's irrelevant, and she's making a livelihood out of it.

ps. You suddenly, out of nowhere introduce "someone with specialized/taught in making Art." if you want to go by that definition I suggest you explain it. Professional still means you have to have a job. If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

Eh, she's basically gone from laughably bad to simply mediocre.

It's like the difference between Troll 2 and Transformers 3; the latter is technically better, but I had way more fun with the former.

 

[C2Ultima]

After watching the video, I feel a bit depressed. The song is badly written and totally forgettable, but it so clearly proves that she thinks that "Friday" was popular because it was a good song, which it fucking wasn't, as anyone with the slightest bit of taste in music should be aware of. She clearly doesn't understand the the only reason that "Friday" was popular was because it was so hilariously awful in every way, that you couldn't help but laugh at it. This new single is aimed at her "haters" (everyone in the world except the 12 people in the world with blunt objects lodged in their skulls who thought Friday was a great song) and she honestly seems to think she has talent in music. That fact alone is almost as hilariously stupid as Friday.

 

[Pyro Paul]

sigh...

Look at the Word professional.
notice, it is comprised of a word and a suffix.
Profession -al

now, as with most all words in the english language, adding '-al' as a suffix will mean 'of' or more accuratly 'pertaining to'

so Professional would litterally mean
Profession of.

and because it is an adj. it would be placed before a noun.
Professional Artist = Profession of someone that does art*
(the ist suffix denotes 'someone that (does)')

so now that we've properly disected 'Professional Artist'
lets look at it.

Profession of someone that does Art

now lets define the word 'Profession'

although there are multiple definitions, Most of which are tied to religion (profess- to announce/declare, ergo profession- is the act of announcement/declaring 'his profession of the end of days could be heard clear across the square')

Profession (when describing work)
a vocation(job) founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training

so a professional artist is:
someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art.
-or-
someone with specialized/taught in making Art.

contrast to Professional builder:
some one specialized/taught in Building.
to Professional Killer:
some one specialized/taught in Killing.

You see a dictionary is ment to help you quickly understand the basic meaning behind a word so that you can understand them in the context they are probably used... from there you can then clarify the meaning through the context it is found in. As such, a Professional Criminal from your definition would be a person that is capable of making a living off of Crime. Yet in the context of the liturature it is found in, for instance Sherlock Holmes, it would mean a Criminal able to ply is trade and gain enough money off it to live comfortably with out getting caught... a feat of great skill.

Reading all this...
would you really still call Rebecca Black a Professional Artist?

sigh... right back at you...

"someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art."

Rebecca Black has a job, namely singer. She sings, and she makes money with it. It's her job.

Her job is founded on the specialised skill of singing. Note that specialised does not mean good. It means:
"To pursue a special activity, occupation, or field of study."
"To concentrate on a particular activity or product."

Rebecca Black is pursuing and concentrating on her activity of singing. As such it's a specialised skill.

Singing is an artistic skill. It's part of an artistic medium, music.

As such Rebecca Black has a job founded on a specialised skill for art. Thus she is a professional artist.

Having a profession means you focus yourself on a particular skill in order to make a livelihood from that skill (it in no way or form has to be a difficult or otherwise challenging skill, you have to be just good enough to make a livelihood out of it).

Rebecca Black is specialising in her skill of singing, she's no good at it but that's irrelevant, and she's making a livelihood out of it.

ps. You suddenly, out of nowhere introduce "someone with specialized/taught in making Art." if you want to go by that definition I suggest you explain it. Professional still means you have to have a job. If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

seriously?
you don't just take a sentence apart and adlib it back together. you've completely disregarded the basic rules of the english language just so you make it sound like your broken logic is right. And ontop of that, you again Dictionary.com up words with out understanding exactly what they mean to support your statement.

Specialize.
Special-ize
special = distinguished/superior
-ize = form (galvonizd/pulverized/demonized)

Specialized Skill = Superior form of skill
Specialized Defense = Superior form of defense
Specialized Training = Superior form of training

'a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training'
is a single cohesive statement.
you can not seperate it

but just because, lets break it down even more so you can't twist it's words.

a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training
a job founded upon a Superior Form of Skill and/or educational training

founded = Based/built upon (the settlers founded the city which we now call home)
upon = up on/on.

a job built on superior form of skill and/or educational training.
a job based on superior form of skill and/or educational training.

the only way these statements can be read are as follows:

a job built on superior form of skill
a job built on educational training
a job built on superior form of skill and educational training

a job based on superior form of skill
a job based on superior educational training
a job based on superior form of skill and educational traning

So.

Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her Superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her time with her Vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Rebecca Black is a singer built on her superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer built on her lengthy time with her vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Now replace these statements with any other craft under the trade of 'music artist' (song writing, musical insterment playing, dancing, etc)
do any of those answers ring yes?

Not that i can see.

so.

Is Rebecca Black a Professional Music Artist?
No.

If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

to this statement specifically.

Would a Professional Killer need to constantly be killing?
Would a Professional Criminal need to constantly be stealing?

Professional denotes that they have the skills required to ply the specific trade that they describe. Not that they are constantly under employ to do things under their profession.

if you want to debate the subtle nuances between Occupation and Profession...
a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill.
an Occupation is any vocation which Pays for your Time.

and yes. i would go so far as to say that Rebecca Black was paid for her time, considering the amount of auto-tunning there is even in her new song, i strongly doubt they paid for her singing skills.

 

[Hagi]

seriously?
you don't just take a sentence apart and adlib it back together. you've completely disregarded the basic rules of the english language just so you make it sound like your broken logic is right. And ontop of that, you again Dictionary.com up words with out understanding exactly what they mean to support your statement.

Specialize.
Special-ize
special = distinguished/superior
-ize = form (galvonizd/pulverized/demonized)

Special is not superior. It merely means different. Out of the norm.

Distinguished can mean out of the norm, but is commonly always used when something is out of the norm in a superior way. Don't accuse me of twisting words when you're doing the exact same.

It does not in any way or form imply superiority. A person missing all his limbs is just as special as the strongest man alive, probably more so.

In addition to that the word "Specialize" gains additional meanings that the world "Special" has not. In specific specialisation, or focussing. But this additional meaning again does not contain any superiority, it merely means a focus.

The rest of your argument completely falls apart because you believe that superior and specialized are synonyms. Which they are not.

Specialized Skill = Superior form of skill
Specialized Defense = Superior form of defense
Specialized Training = Superior form of training

'a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training'
is a single cohesive statement.
you can not seperate it

but just because, lets break it down even more so you can't twist it's words.

a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training
a job founded upon a Superior Form of Skill and/or educational training

founded = Based/built upon (the settlers founded the city which we now call home)
upon = up on/on.

a job built on superior form of skill and/or educational training.
a job based on superior form of skill and/or educational training.

the only way these statements can be read are as follows:

a job built on superior form of skill
a job built on educational training
a job built on superior form of skill and educational training

a job based on superior form of skill
a job based on superior educational training
a job based on superior form of skill and educational traning

So.

Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her Superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her time with her Vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Rebecca Black is a singer built on her superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer built on her lengthy time with her vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Now replace these statements with any other craft under the trade of 'music artist' (song writing, musical insterment playing, dancing, etc)
do any of those answers ring yes?

Not that i can see.

so.

Is Rebecca Black a Professional Music Artist?
No.

Again, special is not the same as superior.

And even if it was who the hell are you to decide what is and what is not superior?

If professionalism is tied to superiority then it becomes a completely subjective statement.

In which case Rebecca Black isn't professional to you, but to anyone who's a fan of her she is a professional. Professionalism is in the eye of the beholder?

If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

to this statement specifically.

Would a Professional Killer need to constantly be killing?
Would a Professional Criminal need to constantly be stealing?

Professional denotes that they have the skills required to ply the specific trade that they describe. Not that they are constantly under employ to do things under their profession.

if you want to debate the subtle nuances between Occupation and Profession...
a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill.
an Occupation is any vocation which Pays for your Time.

and yes. i would go so far as to say that Rebecca Black was paid for her time, considering the amount of auto-tunning there is even in her new song, i strongly doubt they paid for her singing skills.

They need to be employed as such. They do not need to be constantly doing their job (people do need sleep...) but they do need to do it often enough to sustain enough money to provide for themselves.

If you have just the skill but not the occupation then you are not a professional. Simple as that. No words being twisted, just pure and simple definition. In order to be a professional you need to have a profession. Having a profession means having a job/vocation, as you yourself say. If you do not have a job/vocation then you do not have a profession and thus are not a professional.

And "a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill." applies to Rebecca Black. She has a skill. It's not an impressive skill at all, but a skill nonetheless. She sings. And she gets paid for it.

She certainly doesn't get paid for her time, she recorded it once but her earnings are in no way linked to the time spend recording. Her earnings are purely linked to popularity of her singing skill. She gets paid for her singing skill. By your own definition she has a profession, and thus is professional.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

design the skyline sounds like its trying to be screamo.
and failing.
miserably.
the drummer seems decent though. the others should be locked away.
OT: some of my friends agree with the OP, its not as terrible as friday. i havent heard it and dont plan to unless its via Brocks Dub.

 

[ZenoX969]

Meh...

 

[TornadoFive]

The song isn't too bad. It's a whole lot better than "Friday".

Yeah, pretty much this. It's pretty generic pop, and still auto-tuned, which I seriously dislike. But it's kinda catchy and while not my sort of music, I wouldn't complain if someone else put it on.

Whatever you think of her songs, you gotta respect her though. She got a huge opportunity after "Friday", and I think she did the right thing by not working with the "Ark" music company.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Not that bad actually, pretty average. If she put one out with natural singing voice(like the beginning of the song) it would be pretty good. Friday was an abomination because of the production, not the singing. Even though this one is autotuned better they did a much better job at it.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

I listened to 33 seconds of this song and no more! Never liked her 1st song but knew she was a young girl that got hate mail from some complete wankers. Fair play the song was bad, but people are arseholes.

This song is a FUCK YOU to everyone that put this girl down!

I applaud her for it!

 

[Lenin211]

She will always be branded as the person who made Friday. Whether or not she deserves this however, I cannot say.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

SNIP

The music is awful..... but if you spend one intelligent second listening to the song, it's her standing up to the shit that's been thrown her way....

'Weren't you the one who said i'd be nothing? Well I'm about to prove you wrong!'

'I'm not stopping for you, no matter what you do!'

This music is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad, but you cannot deny the fuck you to everyone that flamed this little girl. She is trying to do something a bunch of arsholes will never get a chance at.

I would like to add that I listen to punk and country and have no respect for whatever genre she falls under....

She just did something punk though..... even if it was unintentional

 

[Ace of Spades]

Well, it has a melody, and it doesn't sound like a robot is singing. Still not very good, but it's at least a song.

 

[klaynexas3]

it's better, but saying that is like saying the crock of shit is better than the bowl of vomit. it's still terrible crappy pop music, and it's no better or worse than any other pop crap out there. that was my opinion on the first song, but this is still an improvement.

 

[frans909]

Infinitely better. It's not wonderful pop, but I've certainly heard a lot worse. It's catchy, the video is kind of cute with her mom (presumably?) in the limo, I'd much rather see this kid enjoy popularity than Justin Bieber.

Justin Bieber plays a whole lot of instruments and is a real musician. You must be a complete mental case if you think that this fake wannabe attention whore should get more credit.

They're basically the same. Bieber's a music industry puppet, nothing more.

Yeah yeah, we're all puppets. Difference is that Bieber plays instruments and is actually a musician. You can't deny that. Well you could, I suppose, but you would be uh, wrong.