Red Dead Redemption Upsets the Irish
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Was bound to happen sooner or later, though I wasn't expecting the Irish to be the first ones to get butthurt. This surprised me a bit.
Just in case you didn't know.
The word "Coon" or "Coonass" is used to describe people of Cajun ethnicity. Some of us use the word to descibe ourselves and some think it as an ethnic slur.Woodsey said:
Just in case you didn't know.
Irish is too major a character for him to be completely removed. He'd have to be replaced, but that would take a whole lot a work.
Like the article says, it's not the first time Rockstar's done it. You can hardly accuse them of being racist.
Besides, what's the fuss?
Besides, what's the fuss?
The fact that the town drunk is named "Irish" bothers them but the fact that if you talk to the storekeepers, they will all claim that none of their wares are made by Jews is is fine? Basically one line in every set of dialogue that comes from an NPC with a lesser part (Storekeepers, poker tables, five finger, etc. refers to the "secret Jew agenda" and yet they feel the right to get upset about this? I'm Irish and I don't fucking care, just like I don't care about the antisemitism. It is a game, get over it. If anything I'm more upset about how affluent many of the characters are and and the complete lack of any kind of historical or cultural accuracy that suggests that no real research was done on the the west prior to the games creation. I might not like stereotyping in games but when it comes right down to it its not very high up on the scale of things that will piss me off.
Oh come on, he's a great character! The game is set in the old west, there's bound to be stereotypes around.
Why can't people just shrug stuff off anymore?
Why can't people just shrug stuff off anymore?
I was thinking more along the lines of a racial slur for blacks.Xyphon said:Was bound to happen sooner or later, though I wasn't expecting the Irish to be the first ones to get butthurt. This surprised me a bit.The word "Coon" or "Coonass" is used to describe people of Cajun ethnicity. Some of us use the word to descibe ourselves and some think it as an ethnic slur.Woodsey said:
Just in case you didn't know.
And?DividedUnity said:
Americans are stereotyped as being fat and lazy, but are they?
A good bit, yes, but not all.
Irish are stereotyped as drunks, but are they?
Same goes for them. A little bit yes, but not all.
All in good humor; no reason to believe they are a "special stereotype" in any way.
Heh, don't want to say this too loud, but really, I'm sick of hearing people complain about stereotypes.
If people are insulted by Irishmen being drunk idiots, then people should stop making the Germans Evil, or the French snobs, or the British either too flamboyant or enraged tossers.
Stereotypes are there, and very much emphasized during the time of the Old West because what was there to do? Most people with Irish nationalities that I know only need a drink or two before they start sounding rowdy. Now think back in the old west when there was NO TV, and you had to work all day long?
If people are insulted by Irishmen being drunk idiots, then people should stop making the Germans Evil, or the French snobs, or the British either too flamboyant or enraged tossers.
Stereotypes are there, and very much emphasized during the time of the Old West because what was there to do? Most people with Irish nationalities that I know only need a drink or two before they start sounding rowdy. Now think back in the old west when there was NO TV, and you had to work all day long?
I've always been taught it was one of the worser of the ethnic slurs.Xyphon said:.The word "Coon" or "Coonass" is used to describe people of Cajun ethnicity. Some of us use the word to descibe ourselves and some think it as an ethnic slur.Woodsey said:
Just in case you didn't know.
Anywho, this one seems to be the most common of all stereotypes, and as far as I know, especially within context, it actually has a little more relevance than it might today. There is a reason for this stereotype existing as prominently as it does, especially within American media (according to the American Pop Culture student I just asked about it). That reason apparently became entrenched in the American Mid-West, when the Irish proved to be heavier drinkers than the other workers at the time.
So heck, within the game it's probably fine (I haven't played it yet, so I don't have first hand experience), but it is still a stereotype, and subject to all of the problems that entails.
