i facepalmed so hard.TacticalAssassin1 said:[...]but as soon as they try to make me join in[...]
i facepalmed so hard.TacticalAssassin1 said:[...]but as soon as they try to make me join in[...]
What's wrong with that sentence? I'm not saying they will try to make me join in, but in the unlikely event that they do, I'll say no.Jester00 said:i facepalmed so hard.TacticalAssassin1 said:[...]but as soon as they try to make me join in[...]
ehm ...TacticalAssassin1 said:I'm not saying they will try to make me join in
TacticalAssassin1 said:[...]but as soon as they try to make me join in[...]
I would understand this perfectly, if anyone required you to actively participate in a ritual, but get this, during such visits THEY DON'T DO THAT. As I've said before, I've been to tons of sermons regardless my lack of beliefs and I wasn't required to do anything, not even sing. I only sang along because it alleviated my boredom and some of them were indeed nicely written. Putting a hat on does not in any way make you participate, it's just something you do so no one would get offended, like, if I went to a church WITH a hat on.TacticalAssassin1 said:If you get rid of the 'no respect for religions' bit, this is basically what I was trying to point out with this thread.Sanglyon said:I wouldn't go inside a building if I had to wear a religious symbol of any kind, and I wouldn't make any concession by wearing a hat either. I don't have respect for any religions, and I won't give them any grasp on me by bending to their rules, even small one.
However, I respect other human being, and I'll show this respect by not entering said building at all. What would be truly disrespectfull would be to demand to enter nevertheless. That's not a public building, it belongs to a community that sets the rules inside it.
I mean, if all I have to do is wear a crappy old hat I have lying around my room somewhere, why not. BUT that's pretty much as far as I'm going. I'll be respectful while I'm there, but I see no reason why it would be wrong of me to refuse to participate in any rituals ect in the unlikely chance they ask me to.
As soon as pigs fly...Jester00 said:ehm ...TacticalAssassin1 said:I'm not saying they will try to make me join in
TacticalAssassin1 said:[...]but as soon as they try to make me join in[...]
check the context:TacticalAssassin1 said:As soon as pigs fly...
Just because I say 'as soon as such and such' doesn't mean I think it's going to happen.
you say "as soon as they try to make me join in, that's where i draw the line". then you talk about waiting outside.TacticalAssassin1 said:However, my English teacher today told the class that we would be visiting a synagogue, and that every male visitor would have to wear a skullcap. I have no problem with their beliefs, but as soon as they try to make me join in, that's where I draw the line. I'm fine with waiting outside if that's what it takes, and so are most of my friends (the ones that are even bothering to attend, anyway), but I expect that the teachers are going to force us to go with it. I know I'm the visitor, and I'm expected to join in and such, but this is compulsory and I'm not a religious person and do not wish to participate in religious activities. It's against my beliefs.
I don't know if removing your footwear is a symbolic gesture of faith, but I relate it to the Swedish and Japanese custom of removing your shoes before going inside someone's home.Still Life said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't removing footwear a symbolic gesture of faith in a mosque?Ledan said:I do the same, but I think that there is a difference between taking of your shoes and putting on a symbol of a religion. Same difference as not making loud noises when people are praying in a church and refusing to participate in the prayer.Still Life said:I understand where you're coming from.
However, could it really be that painful to respect the rules of the house as they were, and experience it just for those few hours?
I'm not religious, but I'd take my shoes off when going into a mosque as a sign of respect.
Great point, though.
EMFCRACKSHOT said:Number five on that list, kiss anything holy that falls on the ground, including the cap, that confirms in my mind that it is not just a hat, but something with a deep religious connection and symbology.TheAbominableDan said:It doesn't sound like they're asking you to change your beliefs, unless you believe that wearing a skullcap in a Jewish synagogue makes you a Jew.
http://www.ehow.com/how_2084871_be-respectful-visiting-jewish-synagogue.html
Yeah I went to synagogue every Saturday for years, went to Hebrew school every week for years and I've never heard of the kiss it if it falls on the ground rule. Mine fell on the ground a lot. So that's just ehow being weird.TheAbominableDan said:From what i understand the hat itself is a religious symbol. One whose purpose is to remind you of gods place above you. As a person who does not believe in the existence of god/s i would not feel comfortable wearing such an item that is identified with god/s. Furthermore, i would suggest that being forced to wear one shows a lack of respect for my beliefs.TacticalAssassin1 said:The ones provided for you in a synagogue contain no religious symbols. They're just plain black. At least they have been at every one at I've ever been to. Which I can guarantee is more than you have.
If I were you OP i would politely decline the cap and wait outside. Your school cannot force you to obey a religious practice.