Return Of Kings celebrate 'making The Force Awakens lose $4.2 mil'

[Lilani]

Man, that Twitter account is terrifying, and just the slightest bit hilarious. This reminds me of that guy who committed suicide when he learned one of the main characters in TFA was black. It seems this film has inadvertently become a litmus test for bigots. And with the money this movie is making, none of the actors who have now been catapulted to the A list are going to even shit for less than $4.2 million. The figure and this group are both sad, and slightly hilarious.

There isn't a debate, ROK's openly despises the MRM, and the MRM seems to feel the same way given what I've seen.

That doesn't mean the values the hold, their goals, and the language they are very dissimilar, which seems to be the main reason behind the comparison. When I perused their Twitter, I came up with the same kind of anti-women and pro-masculinity[footnote]Not that masculinity is a bad thing, but the kind of masculinity they want to see rise up is the primitive "Beat your wife over the head with a club and drag her back to your cave" kind of masculinity that has no place this side of the stone age.[/footnote] drivel I've seen peddled by so-called MRM groups. If I hadn't already read here that there is some kind of animosity between them and MRM, I honestly would have assumed they were the same thing. The Westboro Baptist Church and "pro-family" lobbying groups may be different groups that hold no love for each other, but their goals are often very similar, and to those who don't agree with them they may as well be the same thing.

no one committed suicide, just a fake news service being themselves

and apparently return of kings is actually a real site. its one of those moments where you see something, know its true but still cant get your head around the fact people actually believe that in any way

Huh?

*Goes to the Googlemobile*

Damn, and that story appeared in the news ticker on my tablet. Android, I am disappoint.

 

[renegade7]

Its a site that basically uses MRA's, MGTOWS and PUA's own words to mock them. Picks out the cream of the awful things they're saying, and lets you read it with commentary, IE disinfectant through sunlight.

You can probably guess why some hate it and call it a 'hate site'

As I said to Zontar's post, just from looking through I'm finding most of their stuff pretty funny, but I'm also feeling like he sometimes crosses a line into genuinely hurting.

For instance, he seems to sometimes go a bit into picking on people for being nerds or rejects. I think if you're someone like Roosh V you probably deserve to be chastised like that, but I'm a little bothered by the conflation of being a social reject with becoming a redpill. I also think that some of these people genuinely need help.

Except these people are essentially blaming people for their own attitudes, and willing to stoke up and reinforce hatred and bigotry to make themselves feel better, and getting into echo chambers where that attitude is reinforced, and strengthened and leads to some truly unpleasant abuse and harassment, and veneration of people who, say, kill their girlfriend for leaving them, or shooting up their school because their a virgin, or someone who may have crashed a passenger jet because his GF left him.

Fair enough, I was just thinking a little too far into it. I guess the counter-argument (which makes more sense than what I was saying now that I think about it) is that someone needs to call out redpill/PUA types in order to inoculate other people who might get lured in by similar social frustrations.

After all, someone who might be on the autism spectrum, for instance, or who otherwise struggles with social skills might be drawn to PUA "techniques" that could get him in a lot of trouble if he tried using them in real life.

Either way, I'm glad to have found someone who is reporting on the part of the manosphere that typically is too far gone to be able to use that kind of excuse.

As to changing the thread title... Hmm, does ROK fall more under the MGTOW banner, or should I just say ROK?

As for where RoK belongs, I think it's not necessarily MGTOW since they're not anti-marriage per se, they just want a return to their idea of "traditional" marriage. There's also a fair amount of racism (the creepy obsession with Asian women, for starters), pickup artistry, "bro-science", pseudopsychology, and conspiracy theorizing. So I think it would be best to call it an intersection of PUA with a pinch of neo-reactionary, basically, typical redpill.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm pretty adverse to the whole SJW movement. I simply view it as censorship hiding in behind the guise of liberalism and free speech.

But this one seems pretty off base. I wasn't a fan of Force Awakens, but its not SJW nonsense. Its just simply not a good movie.

 

[Lightspeaker]

Like, I enjoy a good laugh at someone who has such a severe case of anxiety over his penis and that the penises of actors in fiction movies as much as anyone else, but whoever writes this blog also seems to have a habit of resorting to "loser basement-dweller nerd" stereotypes and singling out and insulting people who are clearly struggling with social anxiety by picking on the same vulnerabilities that led to their frustration in the first place.

Except these people are essentially blaming people for their own attitudes, and willing to stoke up and reinforce hatred and bigotry to make themselves feel better, and getting into echo chambers where that attitude is reinforced, and strengthened and leads to some truly unpleasant abuse and harassment, and veneration of people who, say, kill their girlfriend for leaving them, or shooting up their school because their a virgin, or someone who may have crashed a passenger jet because his GF left him.

TIL that people suffering from social anxiety issues and depression are all part of echo chambers which leads to abusing people and murder.

Thanks for that. Very nice implications from your post. Nice of you to attack those with mental health issues, you are clearly very much part of the problem. Not coming back to this thread now because frankly I'm horrified by that attitude. Have a good New Year.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

So the prevailing thought is that these guys are basically shit-pistons with a chip on their shoulders. Have I got that right?

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Ok, so that's flat out retarded, but, ya know, good for them. Rah rah, fight the powah, etc.

I'm sure Disney is just hemorrhaging funds due to the actions of these idiots. I don't think they'll ever be able to recov- What's that? They've made over 1.3 billion and are on track for 1.5-1.7+?

My god! What will they do!?

As for the RoK/MRA/MGTOW thing? From what I understand, RoK hates everybody else. Everybody else hates them. I think they fall under the PUA banner though, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know. It's so hard to keep up with all these fuckin' groups/labels/etc.

Its a site that basically uses MRA's, MGTOWS and PUA's own words to mock them. Picks out the cream of the awful things they're saying, and lets you read it with commentary, IE disinfectant through sunlight.

You can probably guess why some hate it and call it a 'hate site'

As to changing the thread title... Hmm, does ROK fall more under the MGTOW banner, or should I just say ROK?

People who read RoK with any degree of earnestness would probably describe it in much the same fashion. In fact, that same description could apply to damn near any ideological group that directly attacks its opponents.

Come on, man. You've got to at least see that much.

WHM is just a slightly different weed in the same fetid field.

 

[WindKnight]

TIL that people suffering from social anxiety issues and depression are all part of echo chambers which leads to abusing people and murder.

Thanks for that. Very nice implications from your post. Nice of you to attack those with mental health issues, you are clearly very much part of the problem. Not coming back to this thread now because frankly I'm horrified by that attitude. Have a good New Year.

Wow, nice job putting words in my mouth.

I'm someone who suffers from social anxiety to the point that I struggle to talk to people, and panic a lot in public. I, and many people with similar problems, do not choose to immerse themselves into toxic communities that tell us to hate and blame other people instead of getting help or just accepting our problems.

And when you are choosing bigotry and hatred over getting help...

 

[MishaK]

Who cares what a bunch of anonymous losers and scumbags claim? They're not a significant group of people, they're just loud online. They're generally unemployable, antisocial, and none too bright. That describes most of the world's losers, and since when do we care about the claims or credos of losers?

Nothing to see here.

 

[Lilani]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

 

[one squirrel]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

Do you understand that even if all MRMovements were anti-women and ROK were anti-women, that still wouldn't mean that ROK are part of the MRM? Pretty basic logic.

 

[default]

I'd wonder why anyone takes these people at face value. On the surface they look like a joke. But after skimming some of their articles there has been WAY too much effort put into this for someone just trying to stir shit. They're a pretty sad, deluded little person. And they're entirely convinced that you're the one that's deluded.

 

[Saltyk]

The movie has already made over 1 billion dollars. I don't think they're crying.

Seriously, I just saw it for the third time last night (mom wanted to see it again so I went with her) and the theater is was still almost at full capacity. 90% of the seats had to be taken. This movie is making money and Disney is not crying. I would not be surprised to hear it takes the spot as the highest grossing film of all time.

Now, as for the other claim:

What!? No seriously. What!? I'm not one to completely dismiss the whole Social Justice Warrior claim, out of hand, but how is The Force Awakens SJW drivel? Is it because one of the main characters is black and another is a woman? Since when does merely having characters that are not white males make the production some type of SJW work? The movie didn't try to act like this was noteworthy or even like white men are awful monsters and Rey and Finn are awesome because they aren't white men. Hell, Poe is a white man!

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

 

[Something Amyss]

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

Except what you've brought up is pretty much the bulk of the SJW bogeyman.

I know you say you're not one to dismiss the claim out of hand, but in practice? You are.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Oh yeah? Well, I single-handedly made sure that TFA earned an extra $17.2 million!

"Prove it"? I said it on the Internet; that's proof enough!

 

[Lilani]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

I meant by the original thread title.

What I write below will inform my response to this.

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

Do you understand that even if all MRMovements were anti-women and ROK were anti-women, that still wouldn't mean that ROK are part of the MRM? Pretty basic logic.

That depends if you're referring to formally named MRM movements, or the general attitudes and issues most notoriously pushed by the MRM. To me, MRM isn't just a collection of groups or a movement, it's also a general attitude regarding men and men's issues. The same thing is done to feminism--people are called feminists based on certain things they agree with or issues they promote, whether or not they actually affiliate themselves with a specific feminist group or consider themselves a feminist. Feminism isn't attributed to just specific groups, certain issues or simply certain approaches to subjects can be considered feminist. Feminism is regarded as an ideology, not a formal group.

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

That's the way I see it, anyway. Yes I understand that they consider themselves separate groups, but it's impossible to deny that if the values and beliefs of each group are taken out of context and separated from their labels, there is quite a bit of overlap in attitudes toward women. Christianity has to put up with being associated with the Westboro Baptist Church. Islam has to put up with being associated with terrorists. The civil rights movement has to put up with being associated with the black panthers. Feminism has to put up with being associated with Anita Sarkeesian. And the MRM is going to have to put up with the extreme ends of their value systems.