Right-Wing Extremists

[TeaBaggin]

The big difference I see between the threat posed between right-wing and left-wing extremists is that left-wing extremists rarely threaten anyone who disagrees with them. Left-wing extremists will at their worst take away some of your liberties, while right-wing extremists have the nasty habit of wanting to exterminate those that disagree with them ala timothy mcveigh. Now I guess you'd have to consider the weather underground of the late 60's early 70's left-wing extremists, but they were really more like anarchists, but in any case I just don't see left-wing extremists as a real threat. I mean not unless the masses lose all common sense and start actually paying attention to what they say. Whereas all those gun wielding right-wing nutjobs make me want to go get a gun just to protect myself from them.

Sort of like the difference between an angry kitten (lefties) and a rabid pitbull (righties)...IMHO

So you're lumping Timothy McVeigh in with religious old people who are set in their ways? Don't get me wrong here he is one and extremism is a growing problem but an extremist is a problem no matter what side they're on. Each cause problems. And as for the "angry kittens" I've seen a man beaten because he wasn't voting Dem.

 

[hcig]

i tried to hold back...but i cannot.

first off, holy damn, tim mcveigh was AN ANTI-UNITED STATES ANARCHIST WHO HATED THE MILITARY

just because he hated libs, and owned guns, didnt make him an right wing terrorist.

its just a TAD annoying that you people arent even willing to look past your clearly bias sources

the right is racist? did anybody realise that the republican party was CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF 'RACE' EQUALITY?

income =/= melanin level, just because the right believes you keep what you earn, doesnt make them racists because blacks happen to be poor as a result of being retardedly lazy because of people like sharpton and jackson.

MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN, democrats created, and populate, the KKK, they made the jim crow and discrimination laws
dems have cleverly turned the "blacks" against the right, by way of a blindfold of red lies.

nazis were right wing? hardly, hitler used anti communist feelings to create the nazi armies, but like a true leftist, he pulled a fast one, and suddenly got his followers to support his dictatorship.

its like how american-jews hate the right, though the american right is the biggest supporter of israel. the left has put this disturbing mindset into these people.

it all involves the teachings in the schools, they dont flat out lie (for the most part) but they make points to leave out things like "republican" in reference to say, mlk or lincoln.

i spent my early schooling years (until highschool) thinking that lincoln was a democrat,and mlk would have hated my grandfather, i was always told about how the berlin wall was brought down by democrats in congress, and that reagan just sat on his ass all day playing ball in a cup.

they have you brainwashed, and the shame is, i can say nothing to change this, i can only hope my words cause you to find out things for yourself

people seem to think the left is about choice, the ironic thing is, the liberals who do make choices, are conservatives, the rest only think they have a choice

i can only show you the door, and you know the rest of that saying.

 

[hcig]

awww bugger, i forgot about this one (one problem with creating your own set of points- remembering to include them all when you dont have a list to read off)

so whats the the heavy support of those like che?
who would have had exicuted gays, blacks, dissenters, and probably your mum.

funny how a leftist hero like che is glorified to the point that nobody really knows who he is.

just thought i would finish covering my bases, if im arguing the blind faith, ive got to remember to shield myself from all you angsty teens

 

[SeleneRose]

Cool, a right winger
The internets is AWRSARWM
I think you're going a little far there
I personally believe that both parties have america's interests at heart
they just disagree on what those interests are in some cases, and how to acheive them in others

 

[Doug]

Apparently, Department of Homeland Security thinks that Right-wing Extremists will be a threat in the near-future... Most of the references to what exactly defines a said extremist are vague and generalized... I personally don't see this as a potential problem, though the bad economy can spark things of this nature, I doubt it will be solely be right-wing... Any thoughts?

See Hilter, 1930 to 1934-ish.

I'm going to call Godwin's Law here. Can we please lock this thread?

Erm, it is actually relevent in this thread.

My bad. I thought you were throwing the Hitler card on the DHS. I had to read the exchange a few more times before I realized that you were saying that Hitler's rise to power was due to the poor economic situation, similar to our current crisis. Still, when the 7th post in a thread starts comparing things to Hitler...

No worries. And to be honest, the OP did say:

I personally don't see this as a potential problem, though the bad economy can spark things of this nature

And to be honest again, Hilter does seem like a valid example of an bad turn in the economy giving increased support to the far right.

However, he also added:

I doubt it will be solely be right-wing... Any thoughts?

Which is also true - Communists tried to take over the Weimar Republic once or twice before Hilter shut down the Republic.

In summary, I should have expanded more on this, but still believe my statement was valid .

 

[Inverse Skies]

If Homeland security can't come up with anything better than a vague or generalised definition of what a 'right wing extremist' is I doubt we have anything to worry about, as it seems even they don't quite know whats going on.

 

[TheSKSpecial]

i tried to hold back...but i cannot.

first off, holy damn, tim mcveigh was AN ANTI-UNITED STATES ANARCHIST WHO HATED THE MILITARY

just because he hated libs, and owned guns, didnt make him an right wing terrorist.

That's the DEFINITION of right-wing extremism.

its just a TAD annoying that you people arent even willing to look past your clearly bias sources

the right is racist? did anybody realise that the republican party was CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF 'RACE' EQUALITY?

It was created for that purpose, but through Nixon, Goldwater, the fight against the Civil Rights movement and southern Democrats switching to the Republican Party in order to fight the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, the Republican Party of Lincoln degenerated into this fetid mess of bigotry you see today.

income =/= melanin level, just because the right believes you keep what you earn, doesnt make them racists because blacks happen to be poor as a result of being retardedly lazy because of people like sharpton and jackson.

Companies are 50% more likely to hire someone with a "white sounding name" than a "black sounding" one [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_2_48/ai_97873146/], or are just as quick to hire white ex-cons as black non-offenders [http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/white_convicts_as_likely_to_be.html]. But that's Jesse and Al's fault. Riiiiiight.

MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN, democrats created, and populate, the KKK, they made the jim crow and discrimination laws
dems have cleverly turned the "blacks" against the right, by way of a blindfold of red lies.

Yes, democrats and republicans alike populate the KKK. And democrats and republicans alike passed Jim Crow. But when it came to repeal said laws and TRULY bring equality, the Republican party balked when a Democrat president pushed the idea forth, and began to pander to the southern white male demographic in order to win seats. And they haven't stopped since.

The "right" as it stands right now is completely out of touch with the black community. Preaching abstinence instead of attempting to understand sexuality, abolishment of welfare or affirmative action (contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE who uses either is lazy, a deadbeat, or whatever other wrong idea you have), Draconian laws that punish first-time or minor offenders as harshly as multiple-timers, the overall appearance of right-wingers/Republicans as "old, rich white people" (and looking at this year's RNC, that's a good observation)...I could go on, but that's another time. The point is that right-wingers (and to writ, the Republican party right now) seems to be against minorities.

nazis were right wing? hardly, hitler used anti communist feelings to create the nazi armies, but like a true leftist, he pulled a fast one, and suddenly got his followers to support his dictatorship.

That dictatorship also brought along a lot of prosperity...ever think THAT might be the reason his support grew so much? I find it hard to believe the Nazi party would have ever gained traction if their plans would have led the country to failure. Y'know, had WWII never happened.

its like how american-jews hate the right, though the american right is the biggest supporter of israel. the left has put this disturbing mindset into these people.

They can support Israel, but when fundamentalist Christianity appears to have taken over said right-wing...Jews (as well as other religions), tend to shy away.

it all involves the teachings in the schools, they dont flat out lie (for the most part) but they make points to leave out things like "republican" in reference to say, mlk or lincoln.

If you'd stayed awake during 11th grade history, you'd have already known Lincoln was a republican but the Civil Rights era caused the virtual swap of positions between Dems and Repubs that you see now. Not to mention Republican candidates nowadays (and since the 60's) running on positions that seemingly go against everything the Civil Rights movement stood for.

i spent my early schooling years (until highschool) thinking that lincoln was a democrat,and mlk would have hated my grandfather, i was always told about how the berlin wall was brought down by democrats in congress, and that reagan just sat on his ass all day playing ball in a cup.

You've spent too much time listening to Rush Limbaugh now to try to balance out the supposed "liberal" education you got when you were a kid. No, Reagan didn't sit on his ass, but a lot of his policies are cornerstones of today's Republican party. The same policies that led to where the economy and the state of the nation are today and where they were in the 80's.

The Berlin Wall was going down on it's own. Communism was killing itself WAY before Reagan or anyone else could.

they have you brainwashed, and the shame is, i can say nothing to change this, i can only hope my words cause you to find out things for yourself

people seem to think the left is about choice, the ironic thing is, the liberals who do make choices, are conservatives, the rest only think they have a choice

i can only show you the door, and you know the rest of that saying.

I'd advise you to read up on some of those talking points you hear from talk radio or wing-nut commentary. It may help you the next time you go rail against people being "brainwashed". You might just be worse off than they are.

I can only show you the door...

 

[bjj hero]

*snip*

Good counter points, you have more patience than me, I just reported it and moved on.

When times are bad people turn to anyone claiming to have an answer or scape goat. Thats why church attendence goes up during hard times.

There are no athiests in fox holes as the saying goes.

Extremists just pick off the weaker, often less educated or worldly members. Well see an increase in the christian right as well as nationalist groups like the BNP.

I love how people put the blame on illegal immigrants or immigrants in general, we had a protest not long ago because a contract at a power station went to Italian contractors and not British workers. It doesnt help that last year Gordon Brown gave a speach talking about British Jobs for British Workers. How right wing does that sound? Its a big world out there, get your kids learning languages. It will open doors.

How many Black/hispanic/Polish people do you think were involved in all the city bankers gambling all of our money away? Most high up city bankers are very white and very middle class.

Talk to them about why the economy is in free fall, dont pin it on your nearest ethnic minority trying to feed his family.

 

[McClaud]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

One group in particular that they are talking about (and warning people in the military about at this time) is the extremist Wyoming/Montana/Idaho militant groups. They are completely right wing, although at the same time they are very anti-government. These are the people that train and produce people that often go on shooting sprees or help create mountain communes that will one day, "rise up and declare themselves independent of the US, and hopefully bring down the US government and replace it with their own people in charge."

There's some NRA nuts in there, too.

The military is always wary of these guys, and they always issue warnings and reminders to military members leaving the service. Homeland Security just wanted in on the fun and decided to issue their own bulletin. As you can see good ol' HSA really sucks at the timing and wording of these things.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Better go lock up Dick Cheney.

he will just "accidentally" shoot his way out.

 

[Anomynous 167]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

Left wing = Group mind-set

Right wing = Individual mind-set

How the hell does making groups of people worth less than other groups be accredited with more power to the individual?

What is even more annoying is that the neo-libs keep blaming conservatives every time some nut job goes on a rampage.
WHY NOT BLAME THE NUT JOB IS BEYOND ME!

HOWEVER I do hold a special place in my bowel for right wing nutjobs simply because of their intolerance. (I really hope I'm on the ball here and we're talking about the KKK, etc, otherwise I'm about to look like a big dummy) I don't give a damn what they've been through, they can't just apply hate to everyone (i.e. racism) because ONE person of a race different from their own MAY have screwed them over in the past. That's like if I took my first bite of oranges, hated it and swore off fruit for the rest of my life. Intolerance is the highest level of human ignorance in my books.

So sure, they may be a public threat. However, unless they make any real movement, there is no reason they should be considered a threat. Unfortunately, there is no law against this sort of thing, but I guess, as long as they keep quiet, they can stay the way they are. Even if their ignorance (if by some dastardly circumstance, was weaponized 0.o) could obliterate a full-grown bull elephant in one shot, America IS a free country, so I suppose (as unpleasant as it is) they can continue their single-minded customs.

1. Why are you so intolerant of other peoples beliefs? Truly tolerant people tolerate intolerance.
2. I was about to rant against you until you said "America IS a free country, so I suppose (as unpleasant as it is) they can continue their single-minded customs." I.E: Be who you want to be. A jack ass or a nanny, that's what the STBDSA (Soon to be disunited states of America) is all about (BTW I AM AUSTRALIAN, as evidenced by the fact that I am going to escapism 09, so I aint being patriotic.) (I'll reply to more comments later gtg)

 

[Aegwadar]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

One group in particular that they are talking about (and warning people in the military about at this time) is the extremist Wyoming/Montana/Idaho militant groups. They are completely right wing, although at the same time they are very anti-government. These are the people that train and produce people that often go on shooting sprees or help create mountain communes that will one day, "rise up and declare themselves independent of the US, and hopefully bring down the US government and replace it with their own people in charge."

There's some NRA nuts in there, too.

The military is always wary of these guys, and they always issue warnings and reminders to military members leaving the service. Homeland Security just wanted in on the fun and decided to issue their own bulletin. As you can see good ol' HSA really sucks at the timing and wording of these things.

They didn't warn me about anybody; I just got out couple months ago... Is this recent?

 

[Anomynous 167]

i tried to hold back...but i cannot.

first off, holy damn, tim mcveigh was AN ANTI-UNITED STATES ANARCHIST WHO HATED THE MILITARY

just because he hated libs, and owned guns, didnt make him an right wing terrorist.

its just a TAD annoying that you people arent even willing to look past your clearly bias sources

the right is racist? did anybody realise that the republican party was CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF 'RACE' EQUALITY?

income =/= melanin level, just because the right believes you keep what you earn, doesnt make them racists because blacks happen to be poor as a result of being retardedly lazy because of people like sharpton and jackson.

MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN, democrats created, and populate, the KKK, they made the jim crow and discrimination laws
dems have cleverly turned the "blacks" against the right, by way of a blindfold of red lies.

nazis were right wing? hardly, hitler used anti communist feelings to create the nazi armies, but like a true leftist, he pulled a fast one, and suddenly got his followers to support his dictatorship.

its like how american-jews hate the right, though the american right is the biggest supporter of israel. the left has put this disturbing mindset into these people.

it all involves the teachings in the schools, they dont flat out lie (for the most part) but they make points to leave out things like "republican" in reference to say, mlk or lincoln.

i spent my early schooling years (until highschool) thinking that lincoln was a democrat,and mlk would have hated my grandfather, i was always told about how the berlin wall was brought down by democrats in congress, and that reagan just sat on his ass all day playing ball in a cup.

they have you brainwashed, and the shame is, i can say nothing to change this, i can only hope my words cause you to find out things for yourself

people seem to think the left is about choice, the ironic thing is, the liberals who do make choices, are conservatives, the rest only think they have a choice

i can only show you the door, and you know the rest of that saying.

You know. I would of quoted a whole lot of people and say incomprehensible jargon.
But you said what the point I wanted to say in my arguaments, but I'm too spastic to actauly keep my reply straight.
I APPLAUD YOU!

 

[ThreeWords]

Of course this is hilarious and bullshit at the same time.

So now they can come to peoples houses and kill them for complaining about the state of affairs and say that they were "right-wing extremists" trying to "organize a local militia."

Rofl.

More steps taken to destroy the country. Wonderful.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*
I agree, it's like Nazi Germany all over again!

It sure is fun watching my county go to shit.*

*paranoia*
Which country is that?

 

[Danzaivar]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

One group in particular that they are talking about (and warning people in the military about at this time) is the extremist Wyoming/Montana/Idaho militant groups. They are completely right wing, although at the same time they are very anti-government. These are the people that train and produce people that often go on shooting sprees or help create mountain communes that will one day, "rise up and declare themselves independent of the US, and hopefully bring down the US government and replace it with their own people in charge."

There's some NRA nuts in there, too.

The military is always wary of these guys, and they always issue warnings and reminders to military members leaving the service. Homeland Security just wanted in on the fun and decided to issue their own bulletin. As you can see good ol' HSA really sucks at the timing and wording of these things.

Right Wing = Anti Government (Pro small government)

I genuinely think there's a lot of people here who just think 'left wing = good, right wing = bad'.

ARGH

 

[hcig]

Cool, a right winger
The internets is AWRSARWM
I think you're going a little far there
I personally believe that both parties have america's interests at heart
they just disagree on what those interests are in some cases, and how to acheive them in others

oh no, i do believe they do, the problem is, its the parties people, and they are all to eager to swear allegance to a letter, republicans have soiled their name with all these rinos and corrupt leaders, while democrats have soiled their name by embracing socialism and its good buddy communism

a real democrat is a good thing, a real republican is a good thing...just that they arent in politics, Ronald Reagan himself was a democrat, until he realised the party was shit, and if republicans would have stayed with reagan, it would have all been better, but it seemed like post-Reagan everybody thought it was a good idea to go insane, to where now, what were republicans then, are "reagan conservatives"

the purpose of the parties are to keep balance, check.

the democrats ignore this by creating an absolute power, they seek to take control of house and senate,to create an all powerful government, which takes your intrests, and throws them out the window because everbody gets a slice of bread a day and you should be damn happy, they are all puppetiers, and the people are their marionettes

the republicans ignore this by seeking control over house and senate to increase the military power, to ensure that the US is the super power, and nobody will screw with us, then, we can slowly, one by one, take places we dont like, and slap them up a bit, and let them rebuild, hopefully learning their lesson, and becoming an ally.

to be honest, the right always has better intrests, people claim its full of militaristic heathens who start holy wars in the name of their god, but considering most people on the right cant even agree with each other on which god is the real one, i somehow doubt that. i completely support the war in iraq, i support the uprooting of any opressive dictatorship, i think we need to destroy iran next, the people hate it there, yet they can do nothing, break the government, and let the people choose how they want to recreate it, GIVE THEM THE SAME CHANCE WE GAVE OURSELVES, tell britan to get the hell out of ireland, because we wont stand to the occupation.

the IRA in ireland was labeled as a terrorist group...do you know why? because they were defending their own land from the british. the IRA were average folks of ireland who would not stand rule under the queen, but they are labeled as terrorist, people like bobby sands are considered dangerous. "our revenge will be the laughter of our children" doesnt quite sound like something bin laden was say (more like "death to america!" amirite?)

why did i bring up the IRA? because they are a more recent example of the struggle for freedom that is frowned down upon because they wish a government that does not how absolute power. They wish to become socialists, and while i dont want to live under that, i believe they should have the chance to choose that path.

there are so many places in the world where they HAVE NO CHOICE, no freedom, but nooooo republicans are sooooo evil, so if they support something, IT must be evil too (israel, anyone?)

once again, ive lost track so many times this post makes no sense, but im not going to waste all that time.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains"

there you guys go, a quote to think over, dont worry, at 30 years, youll realise how silly you were right now (i dont blame you though- oh, and to be clear, i have not heart)


Now to this: (TheSKSpecial)
first off, how is it the right is full up of loonies who want huge militarys, but the definition of the far right is full up of military haters? (rhetorical)


no crap nixon fudged things up, i already realise that its the fault of a few on the right that it happend, but it was the left that spun the web around the black population, and yea, it IS their fault, if people werent scared that hiring a black man could result in something being said or done that would cause riots against them, yea,i wouldnt either, WHY WOULD YOU HIRE SOMEONE BELONGING TO A UNION? it doesnt make sense to hire A RISK.
on top of that, some people are just plain rascist.

http://www.georgecurry.com/columns/how-the-gop-lost-blacks
here is something i read, it basically lays out what you were trying to say, just -no offense- better. he is one of the people ill sometimes read to check out how certain people react to certain events.

aaaaand ill respond the the rest at once, makes it cleaner:
um, no, again, there is no fundamentalist religion suffocating the right, its an illusion :/
and to all you other things, yea, i do listen to rush, but funny enough, i only started listening to him within the past couple of weeks, because all the radio stations around orlando seem to suck total ass, he hasnt changed my mind about a single thing, and i often find myself correcting him. I dont pretend that i had bias text books, I DID HAVE THEM, funny though that you, a clearly left wing individual, would NOT think that i left wing book was bias, good job showing me though, RIGHT IN MY FACE!

i can sum up your whole response like this:
"KLHGAWIUGUIGBI;UFBNADJASILUGBHRIGLbnawIGBIAWG"
you did all that just to lead up to calling me a parrot? good job, im glad to see that the brainwashing is working,

or to sum up my responce in a more benovolent manner:

"like i said...you actually believe it, it doesnt make it right"

*snip*

Good counter points, you have more patience than me, I just reported it and moved on.

When times are bad people turn to anyone claiming to have an answer or scape goatquote]

1st off, i find it ironic that you would say that last line there, considering thats what the entire democrat party has been doing for the longest time. making excuses

second, i like how you pulled the classic leftard move of "ME NO LIKE HIS WORDS, ME SMASH, ME SMASH"
how the hell do you report someone for disagreeing with you? oh you.

 

[hcig]

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

Left wing = Group mind-set

Right wing = Individual mind-set

How the hell does making groups of people worth less than other groups be accredited with more power to the individual?

What is even more annoying is that the neo-libs keep blaming conservatives every time some nut job goes on a rampage.
WHY NOT BLAME THE NUT JOB IS BEYOND ME!(BTW I AM AUSTRALIAN, as evidenced by the fact that I am going to escapism 09, so I aint being patriotic.) (I'll reply to more comments later gtg)

why blame the man when you can blame his weapon?

You know. I would of quoted a whole lot of people and say incomprehensible jargon.
But you said what the point I wanted to say in my arguaments, but I'm too spastic to actauly keep my reply straight.
I APPLAUD YOU!

wait, I didnt post incomprehensible jargon?

I've never got why racist groups (and authoritarians) are usually banded as being right wing.

One group in particular that they are talking about (and warning people in the military about at this time) is the extremist Wyoming/Montana/Idaho militant groups. They are completely right wing, although at the same time they are very anti-government. These are the people that train and produce people that often go on shooting sprees or help create mountain communes that will one day, "rise up and declare themselves independent of the US, and hopefully bring down the US government and replace it with their own people in charge."

There's some NRA nuts in there, too.

The military is always wary of these guys, and they always issue warnings and reminders to military members leaving the service. Homeland Security just wanted in on the fun and decided to issue their own bulletin. As you can see good ol' HSA really sucks at the timing and wording of these things.

Right Wing = Anti Government (Pro small government)

I genuinely think there's a lot of people here who just think 'left wing = good, right wing = bad'.

ARGH

no offense, but how the hell do you not know that for a fact? ive never seen anyone approach the right with as much ferver as they do now adays, ive seen kids being trained to say crap like "kill republicans" and "reagan was the devil"
seriously?
i guess its easier to gain support through influence when you dont have logic on your side

 

[Logan Westbrook]

the republicans ignore this by seeking control over house and senate to increase the military power, to ensure that the US is the super power, and nobody will screw with us, then, we can slowly, one by one, take places we dont like, and slap them up a bit, and let them rebuild, hopefully learning their lesson, and becoming an ally.

to be honest, the right always has better intrests, people claim its full of militaristic heathens who start holy wars in the name of their god, but considering most people on the right cant even agree with each other on which god is the real one, i somehow doubt that. i completely support the war in iraq, i support the uprooting of any opressive dictatorship, i think we need to destroy iran next, the people hate it there, yet they can do nothing, break the government, and let the people choose how they want to recreate it, GIVE THEM THE SAME CHANCE WE GAVE OURSELVES, tell britan to get the hell out of ireland, because we wont stand to the occupation.

the IRA in ireland was labeled as a terrorist group...do you know why? because they were defending their own land from the british. the IRA were average folks of ireland who would not stand rule under the queen, but they are labeled as terrorist, people like bobby sands are considered dangerous. "our revenge will be the laughter of our children" doesnt quite sound like something bin laden was say (more like "death to america!" amirite?)

why did i bring up the IRA? because they are a more recent example of the struggle for freedom that is frowned down upon because they wish a government that does not how absolute power. They wish to become socialists, and while i dont want to live under that, i believe they should have the chance to choose that path.

I think the bomb attacks against civilian targets and the murders of innocent people probably have a lot more to do with why people regard the IRA as a terrorist organisation. While I'm not going to pretend that the British government was blameless, far from it, the IRA are not a group to be looked up to.

I find it interesting though, that your solution to the middle east and its myriad problems is to invade countries until they become more friendly.