RIP PC gaming?
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true look how buggy console games have becomme since they started having downloadable patches and fireware upgrades 5 years ago most games would be completly unacceptable (fallout 3) even the standardized hardware has disappeard 360 Aracde/Elite, PS3 which version with which harddrive plays PS2 games?Gsquared said:
The PC industry isn't directly comparable because the PC is made from individual components from different manufactures as a Gaming platform (a small aspect of what PC's are capable of)
No one owns it you don't have to pay royalties or follow guidlines about what your game can or cannot contain Consoles in both hardware and software have the backing of large corparations who will pay for exclusive content and licenced properties.
As a consequence PC games are a risk because of the open nature of PC but in counter to this it also gives the PC an edge, new technoloy is implemented quickly and Independant games can be made by anyone who can code and doesn't have the money to buy console development kits
a good recent example is Popcaps Plants vs zombies a basic 2D game in design difficulty but extremly popular same with Audio surf both have sold in the millions without millions being spent in production and advertising.
Even PC gaming veterans ID saw a profitable title in releasing a browser based Quake 3 arena for free with all the money generated by advertising fee's.
PC gaming won't go away and nor should it when the CPU's for the Wii/360/PS3 are all made by IBM and the graphics chips by ATI/Nvidia.
We ARE better.gof22 said:
Just wanted to piss you off. K, I go back under bridge now
edit: I love the gaming communities resilience though. We argue amongst eachother, we do it A LOT. But whenever somebody attacks the gaming community we ignore everything we've said to each other and launch a counter-attack at them.
You did a poor job of pissing me off. Half the time the arguments are petty though. I mean they are pretty much some one saying how their toy is better than someone else's. It is childish. It is nice that we ban together against Jack Thompson but all the arguments is why the gaming community is so fragile.CheeseSandwichCake said:We ARE better.gof22 said:
Just wanted to piss you off. K, I go back under bridge now
edit: I love the gaming communities resilience though. We argue amongst eachother, we do it A LOT. But whenever somebody attacks the gaming community we ignore everything we've said to each other and launch a counter-attack at them.
Don't even get me started on the griefers.
Mod chips. My friend has a modded ps2 and downloads all his games. I have a modded ps1 and download some games once in a while (I couldn't find any ps1 games in stores anyway). If I'm correct, the only current gen console that can't be pirated is the ps3.BolognaBaloney said:
Remember that ***** who was on Fox News and said "Mass Effect MAKES CHILDREN INTO SEXUALLY CONFUSED RAPISTS!!!"gof22 said:You did a poor job of pissing me off. Half the time the arguments are petty though. I mean they are pretty much some one saying how their toy than someone else's. It is childish. It is nice that we ban together against Jack Thompson but all the arguments is why the gaming community is so fragile.CheeseSandwichCake said:We ARE better.gof22 said:
Just wanted to piss you off. K, I go back under bridge now
edit: I love the gaming communities resilience though. We argue amongst eachother, we do it A LOT. But whenever somebody attacks the gaming community we ignore everything we've said to each other and launch a counter-attack at them.
Don't even get me started on the griefers.
Remember how we all gave her book 0 stars on Amazon.com or whatever and tagged the author as a bigot, a slut, whore, slurry, hypocrit whatever other harmful names we can think of?
Nobody fucks with the gamers.
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I find it hilarious that people are convinced PCs are pirated more than consoles, and that consoles are somehow cheaper. Really, computer games are not dying out, piracy and cost are much bigger threats to consoles than PCs (how long were PS3s being sold at a loss?).
I've said it before, but I'll throw it out there again, in the time I've had my computer I've gone through two consoles, an xbox and an xbox 360, both now obsolete compared to my (still top end) computer. I think all up I've spent maybe $1000 more on the PC (not counting the cheaper games, I can't be bothered working out actual savings). At $650 per console upgrade (I'm not spending $1000 on a game console, now matter how blue the disk drives are) my PC will be cheaper within two generations (next gen my ram may need replacing, but that's it, so I'll dump ~ $50 on the PC).
And piracy, I am a pirate, I don't hide the fact, if I can get something for free I will. I have no more loyalty to game publishers than they do to me, I owe them nothing more than they owe me (incendently I do buy some games, it would be a crime to pirate say, demigod). Of the 28 games in my games folder 6 are pirated (counting both diablo 2 and it's expansion, as the cds disapeared a long time ago). On my xbox alone I have ~ 40 pirated games, the ratio of pirated PC games to pirated console games is very similar with my friends, and I haven't coutned pirated 360 and DS games. Just because people are willing to ***** more about PC games being pirated doesn't mean that it happens moreso. Go to you're local open market and check out the hundreds of pirated games they have one sale. Go to bali or indonesia and marvel at the hundreds upon hundreds of pirated games they have for sale, most of which are console.
I've said it before, but I'll throw it out there again, in the time I've had my computer I've gone through two consoles, an xbox and an xbox 360, both now obsolete compared to my (still top end) computer. I think all up I've spent maybe $1000 more on the PC (not counting the cheaper games, I can't be bothered working out actual savings). At $650 per console upgrade (I'm not spending $1000 on a game console, now matter how blue the disk drives are) my PC will be cheaper within two generations (next gen my ram may need replacing, but that's it, so I'll dump ~ $50 on the PC).
And piracy, I am a pirate, I don't hide the fact, if I can get something for free I will. I have no more loyalty to game publishers than they do to me, I owe them nothing more than they owe me (incendently I do buy some games, it would be a crime to pirate say, demigod). Of the 28 games in my games folder 6 are pirated (counting both diablo 2 and it's expansion, as the cds disapeared a long time ago). On my xbox alone I have ~ 40 pirated games, the ratio of pirated PC games to pirated console games is very similar with my friends, and I haven't coutned pirated 360 and DS games. Just because people are willing to ***** more about PC games being pirated doesn't mean that it happens moreso. Go to you're local open market and check out the hundreds of pirated games they have one sale. Go to bali or indonesia and marvel at the hundreds upon hundreds of pirated games they have for sale, most of which are console.
You're not. It's just very expensive to download and burn you're own blue rays, so the PS3 is less worth pirating. You can still find people who mass burn PS3 games though (or at least so I hear), so you can buy pirated games.munx13 said:
any bets on the PS4 not costing $800-$1000 at launch
PC gaming "dies" for about 2-3 years after the new consoles release then hardware gets cheaper and far out performs it and everything goes back to the way it was
PC gaming "dies" for about 2-3 years after the new consoles release then hardware gets cheaper and far out performs it and everything goes back to the way it was
Hmmm.Kukul said:
I see that in the same way I see parent's computers at the moment- "Oh, buy the sprog a PC game to shut him up for a while and let him play on the home office PC".
And I don't think home upgrading will ever really become mainstream enough to challenge consoles either.
But then little timmy next door gets a console, all pretty designed, quick to start and most importantly, PR'ed up to it's neck with adverts and shiny things.
Kid immediately wants and won't shut the hell up until they have it.
I would be quite happy to be wrong about my 'prediction', but I see that technologies such as:Akalabeth said:
> 4 core CPUs,
> 2 SLI GPUs with some being used for parallel processing, rather than graphics using things like NVIDIA's CUDA,
the Ageia PhysX chip,
and even more advanced cooling (perhaps involving circulating liquids).
Will not fall in value fast enough to prevent the middle of the PC market just buying one of the next-gen consoles instead. I simply don't think that many PC developers have realized that we have entered a major recession, that after the October 22 launch of Windows 7 the majority will be able to justify the expense of 'further upgrades' to their spouses/girlfriends. This time next year the core market of bleeding-edge gamers who are rich enough to spend any amount of money to 'have the latest' will start to shrink consistently month by month and, worryingly for the publishers, none of them will be buying multiple copies of their game - if they paid for it at all.
This will compel formerly PC only publishers to produce games for all platforms, probably using middleware tools such as CryEngine 3 with which the work done on 'the game' is independent of the target platform - each architecture having a differently optimized version of the engine that takes advantage of that platform's idiosyncrasies.
As a gap will have opened up in the PC community, between super-expensive 'bleeding-edge' and affordable, yet under-exploited 'mid-range', many PC gamers will reconsider the continued expense of their hobby and buy one of the subsidized next-gen consoles instead - and by this I mean the PS4 or Xbox 1080. They won't be missing out on any games that are PC-only and the new consoles may well have monitor outputs and support keyboard, mouse, joysticks and yokes (for all the Flight Simulator buffs out there).