RIP Ryan Dunn (Jackass)

[Bucht]

No idea if it's true or not, but I found this.

 

[dragonslayer32]

There is no proof that he was drink driving, only a picture he posted online a few hours before. that picture could have been taken at any time and in said picture, he has one drink. That could have been the only drink of the night for him. Please people, stop jumping to conclusions. I loved this guy, he was a (random) hero and is now a legend.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I dunno if this'll change anyone's opinion, but apparently a worker at the bar he was at claims that he only had a couple beers and that he wasn't a big partier, so I guess it was just his driving skills (or lack thereof) that did him in.
Source: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666086/ryan-dunn-not-intoxicated-car-crash.jhtml

Problem with that is, if I was the owner of that bar I'd have said (and instructed) any and all employees to make a statement like that. You don't want to get sued do you? Don't want the TABC or some other group taking a closer look at your policy regarding letting people pass a limit or drive away drunk. Anyway you look at it, being the "bar that killed Ryan Dunn" isn't exactly a stigma that is going to be good for business. Best to cover your ass.

There is no proof that he was drink driving, only a picture he posted online a few hours before. that picture could have been taken at any time and in said picture, he has one drink. That could have been the only drink of the night for him. Please people, stop jumping to conclusions. I loved this guy, he was a (random) hero and is now a legend.

There is no CONCLUSIVE proof he was drunk driving. But there's quite a bit of other information that can help one reach that as a logical conclusion, which is how human beings reconcile situations. Sure, everyone is saying "hey don't jump to conclusions" but technically, saying he might not have been drunk driving is just another form of trying to come to a conclusion. Thing is, we have the picture of him with a drink. Look at dude's face. That's a "I'm buzzin or worse" face. Next time your friends are throwed, look at their faces. It's pretty easy to recognize. Second, we've got conflicting stories. YESTERDAY, friends were saying he had about 3 drinks and 3 shots before he left. TODAY, the BAR (who has motive to lie in order to avoid legal issues) says he wasn't a big drinker and he only had a beer or two. Really? Were they counting? Was someone monitoring his drinks all night? See that whole jumping to conclusions game can be played a lot of ways. Then there's the quick removal of the drinking comments and photos. I'm sorry, but I'm of the opinion that when things are removed "quickly" so that people don't get the "wrong idea," that usually means the wrong idea is probably the right idea. It smacks of some sort of admission of guilt or shame. And finally, there is the accident itself.

Judging from the level of destruction of the car and scene of the incident, we can confidently come to at least one of two conclusions:

a.) He was a fool and drove drunk, resulting in the death of himself and his passenger.

b.) He was a moron who was driving a high performance car at speeds in excess of 110 mph at least (according to the skid mark) at 3 am in the morning.

Neither makes him a candidate for sympathy. Either could have gotten some truly innocent people hurt or killed. Luckily, only HE died from his foolishness and his passenger.
I have little sympathy for the passenger either, because he was either too drunk or stupid himself to tell his friend not to drive, got in the car anyway, or at least said nothing when Ryan started picking up the speed on that dark night. I'm just not wired to feel sorry for people who put themselves intentionally into harm's way anymore than I can feel sorry for someone who puts someone else or themselves into harm's way. They both made a mistake last night. The only upshot to any of this is that it was their last one. How many times did they put others at risk, goofing off? Driving drunk? We know he did it ONCE.. Dunn had a DUI years ago when he crashed his car a few miles away from the crash site he died at last night. So it's not like he HASN'T been down that road before. And past behavior is the best indicator of current and future behavior.

So let it be a lesson to people, and some good can come out of this.
Don't drink and drive. Don't speed around like a moron. And don't let your FRIENDS do anything like this.

Save your tears for someone who deserves them.

 

[Trololo Punk]

westboro baptist church picketing his funeral... bunch of assholes
Heres a link to a little info sheet put out by the "church" itself, sickening...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-picket-ryan-dunn

 

[dragonslayer32]

I dunno if this'll change anyone's opinion, but apparently a worker at the bar he was at claims that he only had a couple beers and that he wasn't a big partier, so I guess it was just his driving skills (or lack thereof) that did him in.
Source: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666086/ryan-dunn-not-intoxicated-car-crash.jhtml

Problem with that is, if I was the owner of that bar I'd have said (and instructed) any and all employees to make a statement like that. You don't want to get sued do you? Don't want the TABC or some other group taking a closer look at your policy regarding letting people pass a limit or drive away drunk. Anyway you look at it, being the "bar that killed Ryan Dunn" isn't exactly a stigma that is going to be good for business. Best to cover your ass.

There is no proof that he was drink driving, only a picture he posted online a few hours before. that picture could have been taken at any time and in said picture, he has one drink. That could have been the only drink of the night for him. Please people, stop jumping to conclusions. I loved this guy, he was a (random) hero and is now a legend.

There is no CONCLUSIVE proof he was drunk driving. But there's quite a bit of other information that can help one reach that as a logical conclusion, which is how human beings reconcile situations. Sure, everyone is saying "hey don't jump to conclusions" but technically, saying he might not have been drunk driving is just another form of trying to come to a conclusion. Thing is, we have the picture of him with a drink. Look at dude's face. That's a "I'm buzzin or worse" face. Next time your friends are throwed, look at their faces. It's pretty easy to recognize. Second, we've got conflicting stories. YESTERDAY, friends were saying he had about 3 drinks and 3 shots before he left. TODAY, the BAR (who has motive to lie in order to avoid legal issues) says he wasn't a big drinker and he only had a beer or two. Really? Were they counting? Was someone monitoring his drinks all night? See that whole jumping to conclusions game can be played a lot of ways. Then there's the quick removal of the drinking comments and photos. I'm sorry, but I'm of the opinion that when things are removed "quickly" so that people don't get the "wrong idea," that usually means the wrong idea is probably the right idea. It smacks of some sort of admission of guilt or shame. And finally, there is the accident itself.

Judging from the level of destruction of the car and scene of the incident, we can confidently come to at least one of two conclusions:

a.) He was a fool and drove drunk, resulting in the death of himself and his passenger.

b.) He was a moron who was driving a high performance car at speeds in excess of 110 mph at least (according to the skid mark) at 3 am in the morning.

Neither makes him a candidate for sympathy. Either could have gotten some truly innocent people hurt or killed. Luckily, only HE died from his foolishness and his passenger.
I have little sympathy for the passenger either, because he was either too drunk or stupid himself to tell his friend not to drive, got in the car anyway, or at least said nothing when Ryan started picking up the speed on that dark night. I'm just not wired to feel sorry for people who put themselves intentionally into harm's way anymore than I can feel sorry for someone who puts someone else or themselves into harm's way. They both made a mistake last night. The only upshot to any of this is that it was their last one. How many times did they put others at risk, goofing off? Driving drunk? We know he did it ONCE.. Dunn had a DUI years ago when he crashed his car a few miles away from the crash site he died at last night. So it's not like he HASN'T been down that road before. And past behavior is the best indicator of current and future behavior.

So let it be a lesson to people, and some good can come out of this.
Don't drink and drive. Don't speed around like a moron. And don't let your FRIENDS do anything like this.

Save your tears for someone who deserves them.

Saying that you have jumped to a conclusion is not me concluding, it is me not concluding until I hear the full story. I have loads of pics of me and my friends on nights out on facebook and I can tell you, in 99% of them, I have a coke in my hand and am completely sober, yet I look smashed, some people photograph like that. However, I am not saying that he was not drunk, he most likely was, but I reserve judgement until I hear all the facts. Also, unless you were an investigator on the case, there is no way you can know this apart from the internet, and we all know how reliable of a source that is. Hell, I read an article today on fox news that it was all a stunt and he is still alive.

Furthermore, I liked the guy and even if he was drink driving, I'm still sad he is gone. In my eyes, everyone makes mistakes (although nobody knows if he even did yet). It is like people who smoke and get lung cancer. Some might say they have brought it on themselves, but yet they still get my sympathy. Nobody deserves to die and every death is a tragedy.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Saying that you have jumped to a conclusion is not me concluding, it is me not concluding until I hear the full story. I have loads of pics of me and my friends on nights out on facebook and I can tell you, in 99% of them, I have a coke in my hand and am completely sober, yet I look smashed, some people photograph like that. However, I am not saying that he was not drunk, he most likely was, but I reserve judgement until I hear all the facts. Also, unless you were an investigator on the case, there is no way you can know this apart from the internet, and we all know how reliable of a source that is. Hell, I read an article today on fox news that it was all a stunt and he is still alive.

Furthermore, I liked the guy and even if he was drink driving, I'm still sad he is gone. In my eyes, everyone makes mistakes (although nobody knows if he even did yet). It is like people who smoke and get lung cancer. Some might say they have brought it on themselves, but yet they still get my sympathy. Nobody deserves to die and every death is a tragedy.

You can say it's whatever you want, but it's still just drawing a conclusion. You even state that he was most likely drunk. Just because you choose to publicly sit on the fence and reserve STATEMENT until you learn more doesn't mean you haven't already come to a logical prediction about it. Perhaps the problem is with the use of the term "conclusion." People should be saying "suspected" or "inferred" which is probably more accurate. We have inferred from the information that has been provided from credible sources that it is of a high probability that he was either drunk or driving recklessly. We can "conclude" that based on the level of damage from the crash and the length of the skid marks, both of which we DO have credible information on. We have some conflicting statements about his level of inebriation, but nobody is denying he wasn't DRINKING prior to leaving the bar. The bar certainly has motivation to insist he was right as rain when he left. The people he was with, presumably friends, have less motivation to paint him as a drunk driver who got the tragic result such activities tend to have.

And I liked the guy too. We all did. I'm sure EVERYONE who does something stupid and gets killed or kills someone has at least one person somewhere that liked them. But liking someone doesn't EXCUSE them from responsibility. There have been quite a few people who were very likable who decided to do something stupid that caused harm or damage to someone else that pays the price. Hulk Hogan's son was a likable chap. He also got his friend killed pulling a similar stunt. Vince Neil drove drunk and killed the lead singer of Saigon Kick, but walked away from the crash alive. He served not one day in jail for it. So who gets the sympathy in a moment of foolishness?

Sure, nobody DESERVES to die, but a whole lot of people ASK for it, and when they get it, I just can't be sympathetic for them. If a man lives on the edge, I can't feel sorry for him when he eventually falls over it. If you smoke and get cancer, you KNEW that was an eventuality. It's not like you were unaware of the consequence, it's on every single packet of cigarettes you opened and choked down your throat. SO asking me to feel sorry for you when you're laying there in an iron lung is going to get you little to no return.
Maybe I'm just hard-hearted. Or maybe I've just been through enough hardship myself, having fought for life to sympathize with people who so callously throw it away.

 

[Wriggle Wyrm]

I'm sorry if this sounds cold, but I can't work up any sympathy for this guy. While we haven't seen a full report yet, there is every indication that this idiot was both drunk and speeding, putting everyone else on the road in danger. I feel bad for the families involved and for the passenger but that's it.

 

[thefrizzlefry]

I dunno if this'll change anyone's opinion, but apparently a worker at the bar he was at claims that he only had a couple beers and that he wasn't a big partier, so I guess it was just his driving skills (or lack thereof) that did him in.
Source: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666086/ryan-dunn-not-intoxicated-car-crash.jhtml

Problem with that is, if I was the owner of that bar I'd have said (and instructed) any and all employees to make a statement like that. You don't want to get sued do you? Don't want the TABC or some other group taking a closer look at your policy regarding letting people pass a limit or drive away drunk. Anyway you look at it, being the "bar that killed Ryan Dunn" isn't exactly a stigma that is going to be good for business. Best to cover your ass.

There is no proof that he was drink driving, only a picture he posted online a few hours before. that picture could have been taken at any time and in said picture, he has one drink. That could have been the only drink of the night for him. Please people, stop jumping to conclusions. I loved this guy, he was a (random) hero and is now a legend.

There is no CONCLUSIVE proof he was drunk driving. But there's quite a bit of other information that can help one reach that as a logical conclusion, which is how human beings reconcile situations. Sure, everyone is saying "hey don't jump to conclusions" but technically, saying he might not have been drunk driving is just another form of trying to come to a conclusion. Thing is, we have the picture of him with a drink. Look at dude's face. That's a "I'm buzzin or worse" face. Next time your friends are throwed, look at their faces. It's pretty easy to recognize. Second, we've got conflicting stories. YESTERDAY, friends were saying he had about 3 drinks and 3 shots before he left. TODAY, the BAR (who has motive to lie in order to avoid legal issues) says he wasn't a big drinker and he only had a beer or two. Really? Were they counting? Was someone monitoring his drinks all night? See that whole jumping to conclusions game can be played a lot of ways. Then there's the quick removal of the drinking comments and photos. I'm sorry, but I'm of the opinion that when things are removed "quickly" so that people don't get the "wrong idea," that usually means the wrong idea is probably the right idea. It smacks of some sort of admission of guilt or shame. And finally, there is the accident itself.

Judging from the level of destruction of the car and scene of the incident, we can confidently come to at least one of two conclusions:

a.) He was a fool and drove drunk, resulting in the death of himself and his passenger.

b.) He was a moron who was driving a high performance car at speeds in excess of 110 mph at least (according to the skid mark) at 3 am in the morning.

Neither makes him a candidate for sympathy. Either could have gotten some truly innocent people hurt or killed. Luckily, only HE died from his foolishness and his passenger.
I have little sympathy for the passenger either, because he was either too drunk or stupid himself to tell his friend not to drive, got in the car anyway, or at least said nothing when Ryan started picking up the speed on that dark night. I'm just not wired to feel sorry for people who put themselves intentionally into harm's way anymore than I can feel sorry for someone who puts someone else or themselves into harm's way. They both made a mistake last night. The only upshot to any of this is that it was their last one. How many times did they put others at risk, goofing off? Driving drunk? We know he did it ONCE.. Dunn had a DUI years ago when he crashed his car a few miles away from the crash site he died at last night. So it's not like he HASN'T been down that road before. And past behavior is the best indicator of current and future behavior.

So let it be a lesson to people, and some good can come out of this.
Don't drink and drive. Don't speed around like a moron. And don't let your FRIENDS do anything like this.

Save your tears for someone who deserves them.

Yeah, and I'm sure you've never done anything stupid your entire fucking life. I mean, shit, the man made me laugh, which isn't insignificant. Do I feel like a friend has died? No, but, at the same time, he was a dude I could watch and take my mind off shit for a while. There are my DVD's and whatnot, but, goddammit dude, there's something you're just fucking missing here. Like, he died doing something really fucking stupid. I'll admit that. But that doesn't erase him as a candidate for sympathy, and if it does, then you're also erasing Sylvia Plath, Ernest Hemingway, Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Dave Insurgent, and many others from candidacy for sympathy. So, yeah.

 

[dragonslayer32]

Saying that you have jumped to a conclusion is not me concluding, it is me not concluding until I hear the full story. I have loads of pics of me and my friends on nights out on facebook and I can tell you, in 99% of them, I have a coke in my hand and am completely sober, yet I look smashed, some people photograph like that. However, I am not saying that he was not drunk, he most likely was, but I reserve judgement until I hear all the facts. Also, unless you were an investigator on the case, there is no way you can know this apart from the internet, and we all know how reliable of a source that is. Hell, I read an article today on fox news that it was all a stunt and he is still alive.

Furthermore, I liked the guy and even if he was drink driving, I'm still sad he is gone. In my eyes, everyone makes mistakes (although nobody knows if he even did yet). It is like people who smoke and get lung cancer. Some might say they have brought it on themselves, but yet they still get my sympathy. Nobody deserves to die and every death is a tragedy.

You can say it's whatever you want, but it's still just drawing a conclusion. You even state that he was most likely drunk. Just because you choose to publicly sit on the fence and reserve STATEMENT until you learn more doesn't mean you haven't already come to a logical prediction about it. Perhaps the problem is with the use of the term "conclusion." People should be saying "suspected" or "inferred" which is probably more accurate. We have inferred from the information that has been provided from credible sources that it is of a high probability that he was either drunk or driving recklessly. We can "conclude" that based on the level of damage from the crash and the length of the skid marks, both of which we DO have credible information on. We have some conflicting statements about his level of inebriation, but nobody is denying he wasn't DRINKING prior to leaving the bar. The bar certainly has motivation to insist he was right as rain when he left. The people he was with, presumably friends, have less motivation to paint him as a drunk driver who got the tragic result such activities tend to have.

And I liked the guy too. We all did. I'm sure EVERYONE who does something stupid and gets killed or kills someone has at least one person somewhere that liked them. But liking someone doesn't EXCUSE them from responsibility. There have been quite a few people who were very likable who decided to do something stupid that caused harm or damage to someone else that pays the price. Hulk Hogan's son was a likable chap. He also got his friend killed pulling a similar stunt. Vince Neil drove drunk and killed the lead singer of Saigon Kick, but walked away from the crash alive. He served not one day in jail for it. So who gets the sympathy in a moment of foolishness?

Sure, nobody DESERVES to die, but a whole lot of people ASK for it, and when they get it, I just can't be sympathetic for them. If a man lives on the edge, I can't feel sorry for him when he eventually falls over it. If you smoke and get cancer, you KNEW that was an eventuality. It's not like you were unaware of the consequence, it's on every single packet of cigarettes you opened and choked down your throat. SO asking me to feel sorry for you when you're laying there in an iron lung is going to get you little to no return.
Maybe I'm just hard-hearted. Or maybe I've just been through enough hardship myself, having fought for life to sympathize with people who so callously throw it away.

I can see where you are coming from, I really can, I just want to reserve any judgement on the guy until I'm certain on what happened.

 

[Sabiancym]

If Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp drove their fully packed $200,000 Maserati off a 500 foot cliff while blowing a .29 BAC and lining cocaine off a hooker's rack and then proceeding to land on a school nursery, they'd get less hate than Ryan Dunn. Simply because people use their preconceptions of the celebrity instead of reacting without bias.


Someone dying is never good, justified, deserved, or karma. There is a myriad of reasons, motivations, personality problems, etc. to why something happens. Or why someone does something. You people who look at everything as black and white, good or bad, need to start living in the real world and realize that not everyone is an immoral evil doer like you Sunday school leader and First Grade D.A.R.E. officer said.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I can see where you are coming from, I really can, I just want to reserve any judgement on the guy until I'm certain on what happened.

And here's your answer.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/cel...yan.dunn.drunk/index.html?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1

Like I said. The little information we were given may have been in pieces, but you didn't have to have them all put together to get an idea of what the final picture was going to be.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Yeah, and I'm sure you've never done anything stupid your entire fucking life. I mean, shit, the man made me laugh, which isn't insignificant. Do I feel like a friend has died? No, but, at the same time, he was a dude I could watch and take my mind off shit for a while. There are my DVD's and whatnot, but, goddammit dude, there's something you're just fucking missing here. Like, he died doing something really fucking stupid. I'll admit that. But that doesn't erase him as a candidate for sympathy, and if it does, then you're also erasing Sylvia Plath, Ernest Hemingway, Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Dave Insurgent, and many others from candidacy for sympathy. So, yeah.

Have I done stupid things? Sure! Have I done something stupid that endangered my LIFE and the lives of everyone around me out of reckless stupidity? NO, I haven't. Hell, It's not even what he did on the show... even that is stuff I wouldn't even DREAM of doing.

I'm sorry, but it absolutely erases him as a candidate for sympathy. What am I sympathizing? Am I supposed to feel sad because he was a fucking moron who got into a high performance car tanked off his ass, drove it at a ludicrously ridiculous level of speed, and got a one way ticket to Hell as a result? Nope I don't feel sorry for him one bit. As far as I'm concerned he died as he lived... as a reckless idiot who very well could have taken someone else with him.. oh wait, he DID. Someone ELSE's family gets to suffer because HE had to perform one more act of darwinian dumbassery. When a person is tired of thinking before acting, he's tired of living. Well he got what he wanted.. a grisly end to a foolish life.

And of the people you named, I have no sympathy for them either... a collection of addicts and suicides illicits no sympathy from me. They destroyed THEMSELVES, I couldn't care less about their contributions to society. I'm not talking about how they lived, I'm talking about how they DIED. They died senselessly by their own hands due to their own actions. They have to take accountability for their actions.

I'll not lose one iota of sleep over it. Nor will I shed one single solitary tear. I won't make excuses for them, and you shouldn't either. He did a stupid thing and paid the price for it. Live with it. His family and friends sure have to, and THOSE are the people I feel sympathy for because HE is the cause of their pain right now and he didn't have to be.
They don't deserve the suffering he has now inflicted upon them.

 

[Wriggle Wyrm]

Well, it looks like the some preliminary reports have come in. It turns out that Dunn's blood alcohol level was 0.196%, over twice the legal limit of 0.8% and he was going over 130 mph in a 55 mph zone.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bam-margera-premonition-ryan-dunn-crash/story?id=13902127
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/06/ryan-dunn-drunk-dead-car-accident-jackass.html

So I'm quite comfortable saying that this idiot doesn't deserve one shred of sympathy. It's tragic that he took his friend with him, but I'm mostly relieved that he didn't happen to kill any motorists that may have been unfortunate enough to share the road with this him.

I also think that Ebert should retract his apology in light of these facts. Yes I the Jackass crew was offended, but so what, Ebert was fundamentally right. While I feel bad about the families, I really couldn't care less what his Dunn's cast members think. At best they enable this sort of behavior, at worse they encourage it.