She can be a time lord because she knew died knowing he would if he completed the mission in the library, she even says so. It actually fits. She tells Donna Noble she was sorry as if she knew Donna's fate, yet she doesn't blink at Amy. Amy's accent doesn't change from Scottish to English despite living in an English village since age 7? Unless she really wasn't a bit older. Perhaps a time lord could have dropped off her kid in some old Scottish village before the time war for safe keeping. Amy had lots of psychiatrists as a kid which could have repressed some of her memories.
River Song (Doctor Who)
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Thing is, u dont really know when she meet amy , (probably that being the first time), maybe the doctor only told her about donna noble after that event . or maybe she comes back? (omg i hope so .. she was my fav companion), either ways there is more to amy then what we have been told till nowmagdieus said:
My theory woud at first , was she was his wife.. then later she killed the doctor, but idk.. to predictable, its probably something no one is thinking.. (hopes so) maybe not even the wirter knows, and hes waiting for the right momment to say it , after reading thousands of this speculation threads and throw at us something WTF .
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My theory on River Song's Secret Identity...
How River Song is actually the doctor, amy, amy's mother, the doctor's mother, jack, the master, jenny, rose, prisoner zero, moffat and a dalek.
OR; How the Doctor is actually prisoner zero, and unware of his tranforming powers and due to terrible memory problems, and possibly szchophenia, has great grandeurs that he is timelord and the last of his kind when actually the timelords and gallifrey never existed, he made them all up, stole the tardis from a magician, and the old series were all a dream.
He was born from his own dna (thus being his own mother) as Jenny who commenced to travel the world, but continually changing form and creating new delusional identities for herself. First was Jack, who travelled around with his two future identities, one of which brought him back to life and possessed himself with the power to never die (until one day he would for some reason). After his long depressing life he felt like a change, and due to an unconscious desire to live the childhood he never had/be a women, he killed a small blonde child he found in the street and replaced her, growing up as Rose. He met his future self again, and while fancying him the first time round, fell deeply in love with the future identity, ending up on a parallel universe with his clone. She also obsorbed the time vortex at one point, bringing her past self back to life and giving herself immortality. After a long life together, her husband died and she was so upset that she (unconsciously of course) changed into The Doctor. He met a magician who said he would open a little hole in the universe to pop through but only under the agreement that he take off him the Tardis and the great responsibility of looking after the universe that comes with it.
After being thought to be murdered by the future identity River, he changed into Amy Pond, showing up on a random drunk women?s doorstep, claiming to be her orphaned Scottish niece. However as it was towards the end her life, and had repressed so much stuff, big chunks of her memory started falling out and big cracks formed accross the universe due to the mass amount of timeline crossing she had done. In the end she realised who she really was and what she had done to the world with the cracks, so killed ?the doctor? and returned to her true form as a scaly snake thing. She was imprisoned for killing the doctor, temporarily escaped to stalk her former identity Amy Pond, was imprisoned again and then turned into her final incarnation, River Song. She met the doctor with the weeping angels and then continued to live out their life together, (acting surprised when ?first? meeting the doctor) fell in love with her past self (again) and then eventually died in The Library, her conscious living out in a virtual world.
Then her body got turned into a dalek.
Also, the master was actually a split personality, sharing the same body (like in fight club).
And the whole time it was all actually Moffat in a costume.
The end.
How River Song is actually the doctor, amy, amy's mother, the doctor's mother, jack, the master, jenny, rose, prisoner zero, moffat and a dalek.
OR; How the Doctor is actually prisoner zero, and unware of his tranforming powers and due to terrible memory problems, and possibly szchophenia, has great grandeurs that he is timelord and the last of his kind when actually the timelords and gallifrey never existed, he made them all up, stole the tardis from a magician, and the old series were all a dream.
He was born from his own dna (thus being his own mother) as Jenny who commenced to travel the world, but continually changing form and creating new delusional identities for herself. First was Jack, who travelled around with his two future identities, one of which brought him back to life and possessed himself with the power to never die (until one day he would for some reason). After his long depressing life he felt like a change, and due to an unconscious desire to live the childhood he never had/be a women, he killed a small blonde child he found in the street and replaced her, growing up as Rose. He met his future self again, and while fancying him the first time round, fell deeply in love with the future identity, ending up on a parallel universe with his clone. She also obsorbed the time vortex at one point, bringing her past self back to life and giving herself immortality. After a long life together, her husband died and she was so upset that she (unconsciously of course) changed into The Doctor. He met a magician who said he would open a little hole in the universe to pop through but only under the agreement that he take off him the Tardis and the great responsibility of looking after the universe that comes with it.
After being thought to be murdered by the future identity River, he changed into Amy Pond, showing up on a random drunk women?s doorstep, claiming to be her orphaned Scottish niece. However as it was towards the end her life, and had repressed so much stuff, big chunks of her memory started falling out and big cracks formed accross the universe due to the mass amount of timeline crossing she had done. In the end she realised who she really was and what she had done to the world with the cracks, so killed ?the doctor? and returned to her true form as a scaly snake thing. She was imprisoned for killing the doctor, temporarily escaped to stalk her former identity Amy Pond, was imprisoned again and then turned into her final incarnation, River Song. She met the doctor with the weeping angels and then continued to live out their life together, (acting surprised when ?first? meeting the doctor) fell in love with her past self (again) and then eventually died in The Library, her conscious living out in a virtual world.
Then her body got turned into a dalek.
Also, the master was actually a split personality, sharing the same body (like in fight club).
And the whole time it was all actually Moffat in a costume.
The end.
i lol'd.. .alot
I can't help but think she's an imposter who has stolen the journal from the real River Song.
There's evidence that indicates otherwise but there's evidence to disprove essentially every River Song theory.
I'm really curious to see how they tie it all up.
There's evidence that indicates otherwise but there's evidence to disprove essentially every River Song theory.
I'm really curious to see how they tie it all up.
Her being a time lord of a later incarnation of Amy fits. When prisoner zero arrived, Rory's badge was dated 1990. The journal was blank in Amy's hands... She said she killed a man which easily could be Rory since he is man and not the doctor. River song in the Library was very surprised and touched the doctor's face because his eyes were so young. Both Amy and River seem unashamedly affectionate of the doctor. They both refer to his museum trips as "keeping track." If she is Amy then she knows exactly how to act when Amy is around because she remembered what River said and did. Watch.... Amy finds a blank blue book sometime mid next season and keeps it hidden.
I know that there's been discussion that River probably couldn't be Rose because (1) the writers who respectively introduced the two were different and (2) Rose is in the parallel universe with meta-crisis/human Doctor. There's just something that I wonder...
River's quote about the finest man that she ever knew reminded me of Rose's quote in 'Father's Day' about how Pete was the most wonderful man in the world. (Beware of spoiler if you haven't seen the Father's Day and/or Doomsday episodes yet!) Remember how, while Rose had saved his life when he really would have been killed,related events caused a tear of sorts that let monsters come and kill, including the Doctor? Pete stepped back out in front of the car again intentionally to undo the damage, bringing the Doctor and others back to life? That was the first time that we see him as a hero. Then there was the scene in Doomsday when he stepped in just in time to save Rose from being swept into the vast nothingness (sorry--I don't remember what the official name that it was called). He was always watching out for her.
Now, I know that the human Doctor was supposed to take the real Doctor's place with her in the parallel world. While the scene was taken out of the final televised version, the DVD shows a cut scene in which the real Doctor gave the human doctor a piece of the TARDIS so that that human doctor could build a new one and travel through time with Rose. In later commentary, the writers said that one could assume that this could have happened in the storyline had it not been removed. Rose worked for the UNIT and a storyline could have supported that she could have continued time traveling but with the human doctor instead of the real doctor. Remember, though, that the human doctor only had one life. If he was mortally wounded, he wouldn't be able to regenerate. Then Rose would have found herself again without the Doctor in her life.
Here's where the Pete/finest man quote could tie in. If Rose tried to find the Doctor again but fell into danger, Pete would have tried to save her if he was around, whether it would be from protecting her from something or trying to keep her from going at all. Or he may have sacrificed himself for his daughter's happiness. I don't think that she would have killed him as in murdered him. Consider, though, how people blame themselves when someone they loved dies. If he had been trying to protect her or if, like in Father's Day, he died as a consequence of something she did, she may feel that she had killed the most wonderful man in the world/finest man she ever knew.
How could she have turned into River Song instead of the Rose Tyler that viewers recognize Billie Piper)? That may have been something that the UNIT was connected with. Also, while the 10th Doctor removed the Time Vortex from her, could it have had a residual effect on her?
I see the logic in the theories that River Song could be the original Mrs. Doctor, the Doctor's mother, or the Rani. I've also heard theories that the Valeyard that the 6th Doctor faced may return and that there may be a show down between the human doctor and the real Doctor. Could Rose have had changed her entire identity to hide from an evil human doctor and to find the real Doctor? I realize that all of these things may be a stretch of the imagination but the writers have been known to surprise us and, from what it sounds like, they may surprise us again.
River's quote about the finest man that she ever knew reminded me of Rose's quote in 'Father's Day' about how Pete was the most wonderful man in the world. (Beware of spoiler if you haven't seen the Father's Day and/or Doomsday episodes yet!) Remember how, while Rose had saved his life when he really would have been killed,related events caused a tear of sorts that let monsters come and kill, including the Doctor? Pete stepped back out in front of the car again intentionally to undo the damage, bringing the Doctor and others back to life? That was the first time that we see him as a hero. Then there was the scene in Doomsday when he stepped in just in time to save Rose from being swept into the vast nothingness (sorry--I don't remember what the official name that it was called). He was always watching out for her.
Now, I know that the human Doctor was supposed to take the real Doctor's place with her in the parallel world. While the scene was taken out of the final televised version, the DVD shows a cut scene in which the real Doctor gave the human doctor a piece of the TARDIS so that that human doctor could build a new one and travel through time with Rose. In later commentary, the writers said that one could assume that this could have happened in the storyline had it not been removed. Rose worked for the UNIT and a storyline could have supported that she could have continued time traveling but with the human doctor instead of the real doctor. Remember, though, that the human doctor only had one life. If he was mortally wounded, he wouldn't be able to regenerate. Then Rose would have found herself again without the Doctor in her life.
Here's where the Pete/finest man quote could tie in. If Rose tried to find the Doctor again but fell into danger, Pete would have tried to save her if he was around, whether it would be from protecting her from something or trying to keep her from going at all. Or he may have sacrificed himself for his daughter's happiness. I don't think that she would have killed him as in murdered him. Consider, though, how people blame themselves when someone they loved dies. If he had been trying to protect her or if, like in Father's Day, he died as a consequence of something she did, she may feel that she had killed the most wonderful man in the world/finest man she ever knew.
How could she have turned into River Song instead of the Rose Tyler that viewers recognize Billie Piper)? That may have been something that the UNIT was connected with. Also, while the 10th Doctor removed the Time Vortex from her, could it have had a residual effect on her?
I see the logic in the theories that River Song could be the original Mrs. Doctor, the Doctor's mother, or the Rani. I've also heard theories that the Valeyard that the 6th Doctor faced may return and that there may be a show down between the human doctor and the real Doctor. Could Rose have had changed her entire identity to hide from an evil human doctor and to find the real Doctor? I realize that all of these things may be a stretch of the imagination but the writers have been known to surprise us and, from what it sounds like, they may surprise us again.
Well she could still be Jenny, but its highly unlikely. Both Susan and Jenny are highly unlikely for two reasons:FinalDream said:
There is a lot of sexual attention betwean River and the Doctor, and both Jenny and Susan are his offspring... so ew.
Neither Jenny nor Susan are characters written by Moffat, and therefore highly unlikely to be any of his first choices as a suprise.
All in all I doubt River is anyone we know of.
Too much thought going into this, I think she just an original character, whether or not she's married to the doctor.
I believe in the expanded universe she came back from E-space to be president of the time-lords, she was then deposed sometime before/during the timewar by a ressurrected Rassilon.The Shade said:
i just shot the whole Jenny theory out on /co/ (glad to see other people arrived at it besides me) and it went over okay.
River cant be the doctor because she killed the dalek when it begged for mercy. Its more likly she is the Rani.
Alright, here's my theory:
River Song is the Rani... However, she has somehow gotten in trouble with the time lords (again), and this time, they are REALLY mad, so they took away her essence of being a time lady. She can't regenerate, and she barely remembers who she is, but she knows that she has some relation to the Doctor and she remembers how to fly the TARDIS, etc....
River Song is the Rani... However, she has somehow gotten in trouble with the time lords (again), and this time, they are REALLY mad, so they took away her essence of being a time lady. She can't regenerate, and she barely remembers who she is, but she knows that she has some relation to the Doctor and she remembers how to fly the TARDIS, etc....
No idea,, but we'll find out in the first two-parter of the next series. Can't wait.
Anyone have any idea who that woman might be in End of Time Part Two?
Anyone have any idea who that woman might be in End of Time Part Two?
If you're talking (in the spoiler) about that part where they were about to leave and she puts the brakes on, so it lands without making the sound, then that bit was improvisation as there was bad weather outside, so personally I that handbrake bit is non canon to meFinalDream said:
If you're talking (in the spoiler) about that part where they were about to leave and she puts the brakes on, so it lands without making the sound, then that bit was improvisation as there was bad weather outside, so personally I that handbrake bit is non canon to meFinalDream said:
I think highest chance is Jenny,their relationship is close but it wouldnt be weird if it was Jenny. besides they have to bring her back at some point else what would be the point of showing her come back and go off like she did, that is a comeback waiting to happen
I like the Amy Pond theory too!! Most likely i reckon!!
I like the Amy Pond theory too!! Most likely i reckon!!
I have jsust had a thought, what if its donna, she could regenerate as she is half time lord now. She couldve died and then regenrated........di cant work out the details but wouldnt that be a great theory.