"RL girls are 3D pig disgusting"

[Smeatza]

Why are we assuming that liking 2D/fictional members of the opposite sex is:
1. Exclusive to males?
2. Anything to do with bodily functions?

I would have thought it would be more to do with the fact that a fictional love interest can't cheat on you repeatedly, break your heart and leave you a crippled, distrusting mess, incapable of initiating or maintaining even a shadow of a relationship. With no choice but to watch from afar as the one who did this to you gets married, has babies and lives a satisfying life completely free of loneliness or resentment.

Fuck real people.

 

[Omgsarge]

Nah, I find this ridiculous too.This whole thread is filled with blind hate and ill meaning disbelief, people being glad that these "stupid" or "sick" people will be out of the gene pool, for something that doesn't even have any affect on anyone. It's like insulting a sexuality in the past generations. Since it seems so weird to the average person since it isn't the same as them then it's suddenly horrifying.

Nobody makes threads about asexual people saying they're sick for not being attracted to people, and nobody makes threads about people being sick for a certain fetish, but it someone just isn't attracted to real people and prefers something else then apparently it's awful. I think it may be because the OP phrased it as if the person holding this position was insulting everyone else, which makes them an ass, but doesn't make their position bad in anyway.

There's no need to be so harsh to someone about something that has no affect on you or anyone else.

Ok, I agree with you that "live let live" is the right approach in this case (since they are hurting noone) but comparing it with insulting somone for his sexuality is the wrong approach. They flee to these "2D" girls because they are afraid of real sexuality, of real girls or boys. Because loving a picture or idea of a perfect partner is saver and you can't get rejected. Hurting nobody? Absolutely. On the same level as homophobia, however, it is not.
Honeslty, I AM creeped out by people who honestly believe that a "2D" girl is preferable to the real deal. Escapism is fun and all but we still live in the real world with real people. Disliking real-life people because they are just as imperfect as you? Come on.

Also, nobody makes fun of people for a certain fetish? Have you ever seen threats about furries? ; ) (those poor guys...)

 

[Palademon]

Ok, I agree with you that "live let live" is the right approach in this case (since they are hurting noone) but comparing it with insulting somone for his sexuality is the wrong approach. They flee to these "2D" girls because they are afraid of real sexuality, of real girls or boys. Because loving a picture or idea of a perfect partner is saver and you can't get rejected. Hurting nobody? Absolutely. On the same level as homophobia, however, it is not.
Honeslty, I AM creeped out by people who honestly believe that a "2D" girl is preferable to the real deal. Escapism is fun and all but we still live in the real world with real people. Disliking real-life people because they are just as imperfect as you? Come on.

Also, nobody makes fun of people for a certain fetish? Have you ever seen threats about furries? ; ) (those poor guys...)

I agree that it's not like homophobia. I was just comparing it to an idea that spawned hatred mainly for not being average.

I know it's bad for faulting people for being imperfect, but people must go for their own pursuit of happiness if that's what it takes. I understand a bit since I'm a mild hypochondrac lately so I am a bit afraid of the "ickyness" of others. As for personality wise, they could just be very jaded about people. Most likely having suffered prejudice so they go further into niche interests to avoid havng to deal with the kind of people they believe the world is populated with.

And I feel bad for furries too. Not all furries see it as a sexual thing, but that's just what people see. And people only think badly of that because they think it's close to beastiality, or they're uncomfortable since a lot of harmless child oriented characters are anthropomorphic animals and could be used in a sexual context.

 

[axlryder]

In a burst of total sexist hypocrisy and to my eternal shame, I find it deeply unattractive when women break wind or burp. I believe it comes from my upbringing where this sort of thing was considered extremely rude; by Uni it was clear this attitude was not prevalent in wider society and I grew to break the rules myself but retained a prudish attitude when women do this. I challenge myself every time but my intial, gut reaction is "yuck, how unattractive".

How ironic that you would feel shame in not accepting an activity which was initially deemed shameful. That said, everyone is grossed out by something. Yes, one has to learn to accept it if they're going to carry on with a deep relationship, but don't label yourself sexist just for being innately repelled by something. As long as you think it's gross when guys do it too then I don't see a problem.

 

[MrPeanut]

It's nice to see that the escapist finally has caught up with the amount of raging judgmental retards to common internet standards.

Way to go.

 

[axlryder]

They flee to these "2D" girls because they are afraid of real sexuality, of real girls or boys.

That's a presumption in and of itself. There are several reasons why someone might be more attracted to "2D" girls. That's just one potential reason.

 

[Kevlar Eater]

I don't see a problem with someone preferring 2D women to the real thing.

Real people have the potential to leave someone a financially/mentally/physically broken mess incapable of trust and chooses to hide from everyone so they won't get hurt like that again. Why put up with that potential pain when one can avoid all that trouble and not deal with humans in a nonprofessional manner?

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

I am actually unsurprised here that this happens. After all, you can create the "ideal" woman (whatever ideal means for you) on the page, but you will never find her in real life. As TVTropes says, "Breasts don't work that way." Neither does (body part here.)

People have fat. I've recently noticed that in much art, even "curvy" girls don't actually look like they have *fat.* They look like they're naturally pear-shaped, as if their bones are splayed out that far. No, guys, that's *fat.* Draw it right. Real girls with big curvy hips will also have paunchy fat between their hipbones, usually, and/or some fat on the midsection, so no matter what you do, they look a little lumpy. And that's *okay*! Any girl or guy who isn't rail-thin will look a little lumpy from some angle. It's just what fat *does.*

But on the Internet, you can have it all. You can have the curves without the lumpy. You can have the skinny look without the ribs or the collarbones. You can have breasts kind of float in the air and be magically self-supporting. You can have broad rounded shoulders with little arms. You can have huge hips and tiny waist. Whatever you think is the ideal, you can have it, with none of the flaws that might come with it.

And really, I have to say...for some people, that might be exactly what they want. And for some people, they might end up thinking that this is even possible, and it might screw them up. Most people haven't really sat down and thought about what real people look like, in an artist's sense of "thought about." Ask someone to draw a face, or a body, and they'll likely give you a 10-year-old's doodle. Show them a flawed portrait and they probably can't tell you exactly what's wrong with it, or even anything wrong at all, depending on the image. So they might very well think that there is a mythical anime-looking woman out there, just made into flesh. And normal women will look dowdy by comparison, because that's what anime *does.* It idealizes due to lack of detail.

 

[Omgsarge]

I agree that it's not like homophobia. I was just comparing it to an idea that spawned hatred mainly for not being average.

I know it's bad for faulting people for being imperfect, but people must go for their own pursuit of happiness if that's what it takes. I understand a bit since I'm a mild hypochondrac lately so I am a bit afraid of the "ickyness" of others. As for personality wise, they could just be very jaded about people. Most likely having suffered prejudice so they go further into niche interests to avoid havng to deal with the kind of people they believe the world is populated with.

And I feel bad for furries too. Not all furries see it as a sexual thing, but that's just what people see. And people only think badly of that because they think it's close to beastiality, or they're uncomfortable since a lot of harmless child oriented characters are anthropomorphic animals and could be used in a sexual context.

Sigh, the word "hate" is thrown around so much by people these days when they porbably just mean "creeped out". But of course, hating and extreme opinions get you more attention, but I digress.

Of course, being jaded about people because of their unfair prejudice towards yourself is perfectly natural and I emphasize (been there, done that). Losing yourself in your own world is such an appealing prospect. However, I feel firm in the belief that there is so much more to be gained by opening yourself to other peope rather than shutting everybody out. It can be hard, and you can and will get hurt, but I think its a net-possitive in the end.
Of course, there are also people who are just naturally unlucky and don't get ANY breaks but...I guess that sometimes happens. :s

Yeah, there is lots of false presumtions about furries, though I have first-hand information that furry parties and conventions can get quite...vivid for the lack of a better word ; ). Let's just say they have loads of fun at their conventions and parties.

That's a presumption in and of itself. There are several reasons why someone might be more attracted to "2D" girls. That's just one potential reason.

It kinda is, isn't it, but doesn't that just encompass all the positives a "2D" girl gives? I probably should have clarified that I don't think its only about sex. Sexuality to me also invovles having to actually deal with your partner on a very personal level. You don't have to open up. A fictional girl can't leave you a "financially/mentally/phisically broken mess incapable of trust", to quote Kevlar Eater here. Its a garantee. There is no risk (Except maybe when your love pillow is caught in a fire or something).

I get that there probably is more than that, there always is but at its core, people just want companionship without the actual risk of having to deal with a companion. Honestly, I believe that there are enough people in the world that there are bound to be ones that won't leave you a broken mess of emotions.

Captcha: picture perfect...kinda fitting for this topic

 

[blackrave]

Wait, how do you even make 2 dimensional girls in real life?
Only method I can imagine involves industrial press 0_0
And even then they are made from 3 dimensional girls.
And there are even more bodily fluids around in the end.
And how do you ensure that she stays alive?

So many questions, so little sense...

 

[axlryder]

That's a presumption in and of itself. There are several reasons why someone might be more attracted to "2D" girls. That's just one potential reason.

It kinda is, isn't it, but doesn't that just encompass all the positives a "2D" girl gives? I probably should have clarified that I don't think its only about sex. Sexuality to me also invovles having to actually deal with your partner on a very personal level. You don't have to open up. A fictional girl can't leave you a "financially/mentally/phisically broken mess incapable of trust", to quote Kevlar Eater here. Its a garantee. There is no risk (Except maybe when your love pillow is caught in a fire or something).

I get that there probably is more than that, there always is but at its core, people just want companionship without the actual risk of having to deal with a companion. Honestly, I believe that there are enough people in the world that there are bound to be ones that won't leave you a broken mess of emotions.

Yes, I see/saw where you're coming from. What I meant was that it's not necessarily just about not having to deal with companionship on its various levels. For one, fetishes can crop up for various reasons. For instance, if a person's primarly sexual outlet as a child was cartoons, or they had some very impacting experience that dealt with cartoons, then they may develop to prefer cartoons. It's like most other fetishes, where the fetish is integral to sexual arousal, but in this case the object of said fetish "replaces" real woman.

Another example might be pure aesthetic preference. If someone is simply more attracted to the potential physical attributes that drawn characters provide, and indulge excessively in that mindset, then they might eventually get turned off by anything that doesn't meet those standards.

A final example might be 2D characters possessing attributes that simply can't exist in a real world scenario. For instance, those that are into inflation or futa.

I imagine there are plenty of potential reasons someone might prefer 2D girls beyond simple avoidance.

Though, based on what people are saying in this thread, it seems the reasoning you cited does seem to be the prevalent mentality.

Captcha: picture perfect...kinda fitting for this topic

oh that wacky captcha and its tomfoolery.

 

[Tallim]

"Horses sweat, gentlemen perspire. Women sweat and perspire. And shit and piss and menstruate. But you'd never guess that to look at them." - League Against Tedium

Whatever floats your boat I suppose. More real life girls for everyone else.....

 

[Omgsarge]

Yes, I see/saw where you're coming from. What I meant was that it's not necessarily just about not having to deal with companionship on its various levels. For one, fetishes can crop up for various reasons. For instance, if a person's primarly sexual outlet as a child was cartoons, or they had some very impacting experience that dealt with cartoons, then they may develop to prefer cartoons. It's like most other fetishes, where the fetish is integral to sexual arousal, but in this case the object of said fetish "replaces" real woman.

Another example might be pure aesthetic preference. If someone is simply more attracted to the potential physical attributes that drawn characters provide, and indulge excessively in that mindset, then they might eventually get turned off by anything that doesn't meet those standards.

A final example might be 2D characters possessing attributes that simply can't exist in a real world scenario. For instance, those that are into inflation or futa.

I imagine there are plenty of potential reasons someone might prefer 2D girls beyond simple avoidance.

Hmhm, you are right of course, in a sense. I fell that some of those explanations could also have emerged after facing rejection or just plainly no intimate interaction in the real world. Though, I don't know, it really rubs me the wrong way to think that some people venerate a "perfect" representation of their desires over real people when they are only human themselves. Humains always want what they can't have I guess.

I still think almost everything about "2D" women is somehow rooted in insecurities and fear to open up and I base that on absolutely no scientific evidence. Just appears like the most plausable explanation in most cases.

 

[Wintermoot]

has this been posted yet?
OT
it's a term used by guys that want a perfect girl that loves her BF unconditionally. The thing is that real people have a thing called "free will"

Apologies if you've already been asked this as i havn't read the entire thread, but what anime is that from?

The World God Only Knows. It contains various manga/VN references.

 

[370999]

I find it hard to believe most people are being aty all serious about this.

And for those who do, it's sad but less competition is less competition

 

[Ryan Minns]

To be honest if someone can fill a void with "2d girls" Good on them! A very sad part of life is many, MANY men and women will die alone... Many of the people in this very thread could by the end of their lives not have felt a lovers touch ever or have had a lover over 50 years ago. Many of these people aren't worthless members of the gene pool. Some are intelligent, fit, brilliant people who have just had bad luck and it's just where their life goes. If some of these people turn to virtual partners they at least could do what millions of elderly men and women could not and avoid the painful empty feeling of pure loneliness.

Ok if the reason they give is "Real girls are icky" That is a little odd but even that shouldn't be shunned! They cause no issues for for anyone so no problem exists

 

[Slenn]

On the one hand, I think this is probably an old issue, probably as old as 6 to 10 thousand years old. Making attractive female bodies in pictures so that men can gawk at them would probably date back all the way to when humans were making fertility "Venus" dolls with exaggerated female parts.

However, in today's modern world, there's a much bigger difference: The internet. With the internet, the people who use it can be completely anonymous, and download any picture of any perfect girl you like. And with the advent of the computer before that, you can also store as many pictures you like, or with the right software, create the pictures that you like. Thanks to both of those inventions, it's now much easier to look at girls a lot more often, without even meeting them. And that's the difference between us and the stuff back then. While there were fertility dolls present, those men were still close around other girls.

As Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi wrote to his grandson, pleasure without conscience is one of the 7 greatest blunders. As long as you are aware of the world around you and how much it influences you, while having whatever pleases you, I'd say you're fine. If you like to have fantasies of 2D or 3D girls, then go ahead, but you have to be aware of what's around you. Fantasy can only come from imagination, and that's the one key thing you need to support the left brain so it can understand the real world. Both I'd say are important. Sometimes we do need a fantasy to take a break from reality. And, coming from a science geek starting at age 7, that the real world is very beautiful. All the equations that I read are very real and they define everything, from atoms, to carts, to rockets, to galaxies, and to girls.