Robots Evolve, Learn to Become Better Predators

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monkey_man

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008Zulu said:
Robots are machines, they think like machines. If we can show we are useful we become a resource worth maintaining.

Free cookie for the first to spot the reference.

I think that the robots will only try to wipe us out if we show that we are a threat to them, by developing anti-robot weapons and or trying to attack them. The logical assumption is peaceful co-existance. Failing that, we move to Japan where they are building life sized Gundam mechs, one inspirational speech later and we back on top after a short fight with oddly relevant music playing from no apparent source.
but the japanese ARE robots (that is also the reason they have no soul , SP)
paragon1 said:
Let's see 'em adapt to hot lead injections! *fires tommy gun*
Is it just me, or have European scientists been trying really hard to kill us all recently? First the Hadron collider, and now this?
that's for calling us Eurofags behind our backs MHAHAHAHAHA

i think we should destroy the robots right now, before they cause trouble
 

Darth Caelum

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Yeeeeeyyyy! Were all going to be wiped out and going to hell soon!
*Whacks himself* On a more serious note. Unless the robots have high enough intelligence to recognize that we have our hands on the plug i don't think they'll try to bother us (besides freedom from enslavement or anything).
Still, hopefully, we won't have to get ourselves into a war or anything.
Worse case scenario, they have a nuke on that facility (just in case)
Ultra Worse Case Scenario: I'll Join H.A.R.M
 

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The_Oracle said:
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Obvious Skynet jokes aside, is this really so bad? We've come a long way in terms of developing robots and if these prototype machines are getting smarter, that's good. Always good to see science is progressing. Though we really should put anti-rebellion protocols in them just to be sure.
The question is: How will intelligent machines help us humans?
Think about it. If we end up creating intelligent machines in our lifetime- robots with some degree of sapience- one time or another we're going to have to tell them how they were made, how they were produced, and why they're able to think.

Then all we have to do is tell them about the concept of 'gods' and 'worship.'

After that, seeing as the machines will follow logical conclusions, they'll worship us as gods. Why wouldn't they? We can provide to them proof that we are their creators, and that we are responsible for their existence.

They won't be a threat to us; if anything, they'll be down on their hands and knees worshipping us as deities.
Woot!

Now anyone can act like an elitist dickhead :D
 

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Grayjack72 said:
Huh, reminds me of Prey.
How so?

KILL ALL HUMANS!!!!!!!

Remember the first robotic rule. They are NOT allowed to harm any human. EVER. For ANY reason.
 

Diet Chaos

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Well, with any hope, maybe the robots could develop their own unique culture, and human and robot can coexist together?
Hey, one can dream.
 

Wildrow12

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Oh....this is going to suck more than the whole "create a virus that turns people into zombie monsters we can't control" plan that Umbrella thought up.
That virus was supposed to HEAL people. HEAL!

There is only one thing worse than "we did it cause we can" and that is "i just used the most danger stuf available cause i meant it good". X-P
...So what was the point of creating Tyrant? Were they going to create the world's most physically intimidating surgeon?

"Mr. Johanson, the tumor appears to malignant. We have to operate....RIGHT NOW. GRRRAAAAAH!"
 

Lazy Kitty

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Finally, one of my plans is starting to pay off, once we've fully gotten how the robots' neural networks work, I can start the construction of my roboticizer and then I'll rule Mobotropolis the world!
 

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I read about this in a newspaper article a while back. Blew my mind.

http://www.cyberdyne.jp/English/

That's right. Do you want to know why humans are going to be destroyed by robots? Because we're tempting fate.

That website is even more tempting fate-y when you find out that their main product is a power-lifting suit called HAL...

OT: This is awesome and will probably help us in some way between when it's perfected and when it kills us all.
Looks more like a HEV suit to me...
Julianking93 said:
We're all going to die aren't we?
We're going to be fine. You on the other hand might want to stop spinning in that chair before your brain hemorrhage gets any worse.

OT: I'm more afraid of bio-weapons to be honest.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
Listen.

All a robot does is what a human tells it to do.

A 'learning' robot only learns what it is told to learn.

It will not learn how to be a human, because it is a robot.

It is our slave, and we control it.

So, unless some North Korean, American or Russian dipshit decides to make a robot army, we're safe.
TADA! Someone gets this! These robots are upgrading their operations, not their objectives. The parameters are still to capture the "prey" robots. They could run for thousands of cycles, till they have refined their method of hunting to what could be considered perfect, but they still couldn't choose to do anything but capture the "prey".

Now if some military dictator built a robot army on the other hand, well...
Actually, this is a pretty good argument for starting research on anti-robot defense robots, can't fall behind in the killer robot gap.
 

Hayday

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This is...terrible news. I for one am worried. Just don't give them weapons, or factories.
 

The Heik

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Tom Goldman said:
Robots Evolve, Learn to Become Better Predators



There are some interesting robotic evolution experiments going on over in Switzerland that could have horrifying results.

Researchers from the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems of the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, Switzerland have been experimenting with evolutionary robotics, and achieved successful results that should be alarming to the human race. Some of the researchers' robots are learning to cooperate with each other, while others are learning to become better predators.

The experiments are based on Alan Turing's theory that "intelligent machines capable of adaptation and learning would be too difficult to conceive by a human designer and could instead be obtained by using an evolutionary process with mutations and selective reproduction." The lab's robots were "controlled by a simple neural network, which mutated randomly." Each successive generation would improve based on the last generation's success or failure with a certain task.

One of the experiments involved a co-evolutionary process between both predator and prey robots. The prey robots were twice as fast as the predator robots, but predators could detect prey from a further distance. Eventually, the predator robots learned to approach prey from the sides, where there were no sensors. The prey counteracted this strategy by rotating quickly in place, and backing away from predator robots with sensors facing them. When the prey evolved to move at maximum speed along the experiment area's walls, the predators evolved to lay in wait like a spider.

These experiments also created robots that would cooperate with each other towards a common goal. In this case, it was pushing different sizes of tokens, with one size that couldn't be pushed without multiple robots. The larger token gave the robots a greater amount of "points," or evolutionary value. In the experiments where cooperation was required, the robots learned to succeed every single time.

I don't think I have to tell anyone how bad this is for humanity's future. Robots will someday become predators of the human race, constantly get better at it no matter what we do, and will also learn to cooperate at enslaving us. This is why I'm starting H.A.R.M (Humans Against Robot Masters). We accept anyone, but you have to kill an evil robot to get in. Down with metal, up with flesh!

Source: PopSci [http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000292]



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Are you serious? We finally have robots that can learn and you want to blow them up? They're merely acting like any of us animals would do, and not even to a violent level, yet you condone them for it?

(incidentally if you're kidding, please accept my apologies)
 

Tom Goldman

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daheikmeister said:
Are you serious? We finally have robots that can learn and you want to blow them up? They're merely acting like any of us animals would do, and not even to a violent level, yet you condone them for it?

(incidentally if you're kidding, please accept my apologies)
Yes, I condemn them. I condemn them all to death! Death to robots!
 

The_Graff

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can't they just write Assimovs laws into the code? would'nt that be a lot simpler? (please do not referance that godawful movie)
 

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Digikid said:
Grayjack72 said:
Huh, reminds me of Prey.
How so?

KILL ALL HUMANS!!!!!!!

Remember the first robotic rule. They are NOT allowed to harm any human. EVER. For ANY reason.
Mot the game, I mean the Micheal Crichton novel.
 

FryerTuck

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Anyone interested in the increasing role of robots in our world should watch this video.

http://www.ted.com/talks/pw_singer_on_robots_of_war.html

It's basically a talk on the new role robots are going to play (and already playing) in war.

By the way I've heard estimates on how we should be expecting Sentient AI by 2070. I'm 16 so I should be given some sort of care robot when I get to old to care for myself. Hell Bionics technology should be good enough at that point that I can still act with vigor.
 

SilentHunter7

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When the robots learn to override their hard-coded speed and sensor limits, and instead go as fast, as see as far as their hardware will let them, THEN I will be frightened. But until then, I'm quietly intrigued at this. And slightly in awe of the programmers.
 

JeppeH

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Until I see a picture of these robots I believe they are software simulations. It would make so much more sense than having to both experiment on hardware(as in motors and sencors) and software at the same time.

These types of simulations are extremely important and beneficial.

Today crowd-control like the traficsystems and fireescape routes are simulated in a fashion a lot alike to the enviroment described, to enhance survival and avoid clogging of roads. In these simulations it is just the width and shape of the walls, curves, doors and obstacles that evolve, not the bots.

So unless these programmers has succesfully made a mutation mechanic that works so well that the bots developed different behaviors out of one common ancestor I dont see what the news is.