Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends

[itsnotyouitsme]

AS much as i want to say your wrong in so many ways... your wrong in so many ways. congratz, you just added another pile to the hate of pointless stuff. if you hate rock music, don't listen to it, if you hate rap, don't listen to it. complaining about something you much willingly give your consent to do is like complaining you made a sandwich when you were hungry.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

AS much as i want to say your wrong in so many ways... your wrong in so many ways. congratz, you just added another pile to the hate of pointless stuff. if you hate rock music, don't listen to it, if you hate rap, don't listen to it. complaining about something you much willingly give your consent to do is like complaining you made a sandwich when you were hungry.

What am I wrong about? Please explain.

 

[martin's a madman]

OP -snip-

I like mostly all genres of music and I agree with what you are saying about condemning the entire genre. However, I dislike Immortal Technique because he is the same thing as partisan politicians just on the other side of the spectrum. He is also not a very effective poet he is driven by emotions rather than conscience thought. Edit: Granted a lot of people are, I just prefer the more intellectual than the emotional.

 

[FightThePower]

I'm one of the few people on the internet who really finds metal totally uninteresting. I prefer dance and electronica music, particularly this song.


Ignore the fucking annoying Channel 4 commentator at the beginning.

 

[cowbell40]

Well I disregard the viewpoint of any who says "All rap/rock/pop music sucks" anyway

Such sweeping generalisations make no sense, because I'm pretty sure that everyone could find atleast one song in each genre of music that they like

Excluding, of course, country.

Kidding aside, while I have to admit I'm not really that familiar with rap (being a rock/metal kind of guy), I DO know that gangsta rap is unbelievably stupid, and a terrible influence to boot.

 

[jboking]

Generalisations, they don't help anything.[small]I've noticed there's alot of hate here for hip-hop, it really gets on my nerves when I see people saying, "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money"[/small], yea it is, in the same way rock music is men with half their face covered by hair crying about their ex girlfriend.

Also, do you agree with my first paragraphs? In that people do not open their ears enough and speak about hate without really knowing what a certain genre is all about.

So long as we are all admitting that we have committed this crime at least once, then yes, I agree.

I would throw up some music I listen to, but it's mostly generic, so whenever I'm asked to share I usually just share this:
Guns of the Navarone
...even though it is pretty common. speaking of which:
Universal Mind Control

If you'd read my post you'd realise I've been listening to Rock my whole life and the point of the title is to illustrate that while you can say "Rap is all bitchs and hoes", you're no better than hip-hop fans who say "rock is all dudes crying about their ex girlfriends".

You can in fact, preach something your whole life and not understand it one bit. Not saying you don't, I'm just pointing out a line I found funny and asking a simple question. So, are we admitting that we have all done this from time to time?

As for The Killers, I respect them musically, but I think their popularity has stopped a lot of ska bands achieving the things they deserve due to record execs seeing The Killers popularity and saying "Durr... let's make a dozen copies of these guys!".

So it's a problem with the execs? or are you saying that the killers shouldn't be successful so ska bands could rise to the top and potentially replace the killers in the current, "this is unfair and unwarranted" circle. Of course while this happens Rock bands will simply become the new ska bands.

I think many of you have missed the point of the thread, which was you can not say one genre of music is bad based on one or two artists you've heard in the mainstream. Apparently, I worded it as "Hip-hop is da best lololol!!!111".

I honestly think it was just that line(the Rock girlfriends thing) that was throwing people off. Of course, that is what you titled the thread, so it is a little misleading.

 

[FightThePower]

Realised I was supposed to post something serious about music tastes.

Music taste = subjective, generalisations = bad. There. Good enough.

 

[Nincompoop]

It's funny, how you keep talking about good or bad music, when all of your arguments are lyrical. I find that hypocritical.

Wait? What? Hip-hop was based off lyrics, that's mostly the point of it, I never said lyrics are the be all and end all of all music. My favourite song in the world is an instrumental...

A song is based on two things; Music & Lyric

Please don't argue about good/bad music, when using lyrical arguments. Either make it clear that it's a poetical discussion, or throw some musical arguments to prove your case... If you have any...

You can say; "I like this song, because the lyrics are great", fine, but don't say; "I love music, especially lyrics...". - Okay, that was a bit extreme, but I fucking hate when people seem to forget the most important part in music, the music.

Either you're that stupid, or you have mixed the two ingredients.

Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about lyrics, just that the vocal is an instrument, so, different words don't sound the same.

Wait? What? Hip-hop was based off lyrics, that's mostly the point of it(...)

So, in a way, Hip-Hop is less music.

 

[SmartIdiot]

So, are we admitting that we have all done this from time to time?

*sigh* In spite of what I said earlier I'm about to do it...

So it's a problem with the execs? or are you saying that the killers shouldn't be successful so ska bands could rise to the top and potentially replace the killers in the current, "this is unfair and unwarranted" circle. Of course while this happens Rock bands will simply become the new ska bands.

Ska is awful and should be burned. I swear if it gains vast mainstream popularity I will actually eat an item of my own clothing selected by someone else.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

So it's a problem with the execs? or are you saying that the killers shouldn't be successful so ska bands could rise to the top and potentially replace the killers in the current, "this is unfair and unwarranted" circle. Of course while this happens Rock bands will simply become the new ska bands.

I honestly think it was just that line(the Rock girlfriends thing) that was throwing people off. Of course, that is what you titled the thread, so it is a little misleading.

Yes it's the execs. I don't think The Killers are the problem as they're not the one's who decided that the world needed afew dozens clones of them, I just think more ska is not seeing the light of day due to the execs thinking all anyone wants to listen to is The Killers clones. I don't have a problem with the muscians.

And my opening line was to grab attention and show people how that while they can say "All [genre] is bad" they're no better than the people saying their prefered genre is bad. Just trying to make people look at the big picture.

So, in a way, Hip-Hop is less music.

Yes! In the same way metal is less music because generally the main focus is the riffs and solos. Lyrics and riffs/solos/ect contribute equally to the music.

 

[zen5887]

AS much as i want to say your wrong in so many ways... your wrong in so many ways. congratz, you just added another pile to the hate of pointless stuff. if you hate rock music, don't listen to it, if you hate rap, don't listen to it. complaining about something you much willingly give your consent to do is like complaining you made a sandwich when you were hungry.

I have a feeling you didn't read the entire OP..

Anyway

A few years ago (when I was an angry teenager) my three favorite bands were Slipknot, Disturbed and Cradle of filth. I didn't listen to anything else, I hated rap because "All rap/hip-hop is is black men talking about their bitchs, hoes and money" but as soon as someone said "All the stuff you listen to is angry men screaming" I got really defensive. Thankfully I have grown up and I can now listen to and appreciate all music, but I still see people like my 15 year old self, and it is quite sad. Even a good number of musicians I know are like this - if they don't like it, they won't play it.

I preach musical diversity, why get stuck into one style of music when there are so many out there? I recently decided that I would get into Trance, which lead me to Hardstyle, which lead me to Drum'n'Bass, which lead me to Breakbeat, which lead me to IDM. I know have a much greater appreciation of electronic music and even if I didn't get into it, it didn't hurt me and it didn't cost me anything.

In conclusion - The more music you like, the happier you are.

 

[Maze1125]

Yes! In the same way metal is less music because generally the main focus is the riffs and solos. Lyrics and riffs/solos/ect contribute equally to the music.

No, lyrics literally aren't music, in any way, shape or form.
Singing is part of the music, but the lyrics being sung aren't.
Also, lyrics may be part of the song as a whole, but they aren't part of the music.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

Yes! In the same way metal is less music because generally the main focus is the riffs and solos. Lyrics and riffs/solos/ect contribute equally to the music.

No, lyrics literally aren't music, in any way, shape or form.
Singing is part of the music, but the lyrics being sung aren't.
Also, lyrics may be part of the song as a whole, but they aren't part of the music.

He's gotten technical on me!

 

[CrafterMan]

I keep an open mind about all genre's of music

 

[dontworryaboutit]

Morrissey sings about his lack of one.

And condemning genres is silly and always will be. Swearing off one due to the misdoings of a few bands is just wrong. Personally, I don't really like rap, but I'm not narrow-minded enough to deny it when I see good rap music.

Nick Naylor: OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say...
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.

 

[jboking]

So, are we admitting that we have all done this from time to time?

*sigh* In spite of what I said earlier I'm about to do it...

So it's a problem with the execs? or are you saying that the killers shouldn't be successful so ska bands could rise to the top and potentially replace the killers in the current, "this is unfair and unwarranted" circle. Of course while this happens Rock bands will simply become the new ska bands.

Ska is awful and should be burned. I swear if it gains vast mainstream popularity I will actually eat an item of my own clothing selected by someone else.

While I may disagree with you, I'm glad that we are on even ground. I don't believe ska is awful, but it is over hyped by the underground. If you simply stumble upon ska, it is much better.

 

[Maze1125]

Yes! In the same way metal is less music because generally the main focus is the riffs and solos. Lyrics and riffs/solos/ect contribute equally to the music.

No, lyrics literally aren't music, in any way, shape or form.
Singing is part of the music, but the lyrics being sung aren't.
Also, lyrics may be part of the song as a whole, but they aren't part of the music.

He's gotten technical on me!

That's not a bad thing.
Most arguments could be avoided if people just used words precisely.

 

[queensbomb]

I myself do hate a lot of generalizations. Their are a few rap and hip-hop artists that are really good in my opinion, but just because some popular bastard makes millions and overshadows all the good artists, many people are led to believe that the genre is bad. Hell, I think Immortal Technique is great, and most anti-rap people I know won't give the guy a chance just because they hate 50 Cent.

 

[Berethond]

Yes! In the same way metal is less music because generally the main focus is the riffs and solos. Lyrics and riffs/solos/ect contribute equally to the music.

No, lyrics literally aren't music, in any way, shape or form.
Singing is part of the music, but the lyrics being sung aren't.
Also, lyrics may be part of the song as a whole, but they aren't part of the music.

He's gotten technical on me!

Actually, speaking of getting technical, most of the rap/hiop-hop I have the misfortune to hear on the radio is not.

Music needs melody, harmony, and rhythm.

EDIT: I almost forgot to say that there is quite a bit of less popular rap/hip-hop I hear is actually quite good, sometimes.

But it's still jazz for me.