Roll? Praying? Game?
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I do agree with you on the separate genre thing but I think both WRPGs and JRPGs are completely different genres than the old tabletop RPG they both draw their roots from them but that's about it in reality so much is different that they have to be different genres and should stop being compared because it's plain silly comparing two things that are not alike it's like comparing a horse to an orange.Internet Kraken said:
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OT: The problem with JRPG is that you do not affect the story in any way it always plays out the same way there is no roleplaying going on. It's really more like watching a movie pausing every now and then to play a beat'em up game.
Are you insinuating an Ultraviolet is lower than a Yellow, citizen?pffh said:
OT: A roleplaying game should be, in fact, a game in which one roleplays. So... I have yet to find many roleplaying games.
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From what I've seen of DnD and other games of the sort, you do get to create a character from the basics, and you are free to give any response to everything that happens. You are free to smear butter over the chimaera you just encountered if you brought butter, it will most likely kill you before you succeed, but you can try. I would like to see Tidus smearing butter over Sin in FFX 
RPGs imo are games that lets you play a role. JRPGs do follow that, you simply don't get to choose the role (in most of them anyway). The thing is that you play a role in every game that has a main character. So I myself have thinned out the classification of RPG to games that lets you choose a role and play it. Since most JRPGs do not let me do that, I do not consider them RPGs at all.
There are no set definitions for what truly is an RPG, but I don't consider the Final Fantasy games to be more RPGs that Half Life is. Sure, Cloud talks, but other than that I don't really see the difference in roleplaying.
I should probably also add that I'm a JRPG fan, I just don't see them as RPGs
RPGs imo are games that lets you play a role. JRPGs do follow that, you simply don't get to choose the role (in most of them anyway). The thing is that you play a role in every game that has a main character. So I myself have thinned out the classification of RPG to games that lets you choose a role and play it. Since most JRPGs do not let me do that, I do not consider them RPGs at all.
There are no set definitions for what truly is an RPG, but I don't consider the Final Fantasy games to be more RPGs that Half Life is. Sure, Cloud talks, but other than that I don't really see the difference in roleplaying.
I should probably also add that I'm a JRPG fan, I just don't see them as RPGs
I assumed it was about Rolling, then Praying. But only because... I assumed tabletop RPG's.SuperMse said:
I am someone who doesn't enjoy either DnD style combat OR turn-based combat. I find both very boring and difficult. DnD style is way too obsessed with your stats and very difficult for me as it requires maths and careful planning, and I feel very disconnected while playing because I feel like I'm ordering my characters around rather than actually being in the thick of the action, making it a very unsatisfying experience (same reason I don't like strategy games). Turn-based combat feels even more disconnected and it's impossible for me to become immersed, and I can't go over how silly the concept of taking turns in battle is (though that's just a silly pet peeve of mine)
So the only RPGs I like are Action RPGs that play the same as games in other genres but with all the nice RPG extras (eg: Mass Effect 2, Oblivion, Vampire Bloodlines, and soon Alpha Protocol) however there's a lot less of these around than I would like.
So the only RPGs I like are Action RPGs that play the same as games in other genres but with all the nice RPG extras (eg: Mass Effect 2, Oblivion, Vampire Bloodlines, and soon Alpha Protocol) however there's a lot less of these around than I would like.
Yeah I've always thought this too. If I can't project myself into the game via the protagonist to give immersion, then the game loses a lot of its appeal. Any action games, at least.Caliostro said:
Look JRPGs are RPGs and that is that. As much as people like to argue they aren't they are. Choice has nothing to do with RPG games. When a game says it has RPG elements it does not mean it has a moral choice system or any choice system for that matter. What it means is that it has a leveling system and some form of perks to boost your weapon stats or your stats.
So by this a RPG is a game with stats and leveling that is what a RPG is. Yes they haev stories and role playing but by this definition every game is a RPG so we need a new definition for RPGs and this is it.
So by this a RPG is a game with stats and leveling that is what a RPG is. Yes they haev stories and role playing but by this definition every game is a RPG so we need a new definition for RPGs and this is it.
My main problem with JRPGs are that i honestly don't think of them as true RPGs and heres why: although technically you could justify calling any game in wich you play a character a RPG, i honestly think of that simply as poor wording, sure you almost always play a role in a video game, but that does not mean you are playing an RPG. I think people get confused and think that ''playing a role'' is the same as ''roleplaying'' see in JRPGs you play a role (as you do in all games) while in RPGs (WRPGs)you roleplay - you act.
EDIT-I just read that back and realized it is almost impossible to make sense of.Sorry
EDIT-I just read that back and realized it is almost impossible to make sense of.Sorry
I love all RPGs, tabletop, Japanese and western. But I like them all for different reasons. Tabletop has interactivity and freedom that video games can never really recreate. Japanese ones have one over reaching but good story (the games I like any way) with good enough customization (not appearance) and I can really on levels and stats rather than never being able to finish do to skill. Western is kind of in the middle, gives choices, but not complete freedom, and sense they have those choices the main story cant be quite as big or focused.