Rooting for the bad guys
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Did I ever? OF COURSE! Look at me!
*Pause*
Okay, you can't see me. But if you COULD...you would notice the entirely fiendish glare I'm giving you.
Heh, and why...? Villains have STYLE. Well, most villains who deserve to be called them. Obviously, Kefka is trying too hard to be the Joker while dressing worse than Colin Baker and Elton John combined. But TAKE the Joker, for instance. We LOVE this guy. We love Mark Hamill for voicing him and for both Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger for BEING him.
What's a hero without a villain anyway? We need our archtypes, dammit, or there is no arch!
*Pause*
Okay, you can't see me. But if you COULD...you would notice the entirely fiendish glare I'm giving you.
Heh, and why...? Villains have STYLE. Well, most villains who deserve to be called them. Obviously, Kefka is trying too hard to be the Joker while dressing worse than Colin Baker and Elton John combined. But TAKE the Joker, for instance. We LOVE this guy. We love Mark Hamill for voicing him and for both Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger for BEING him.
What's a hero without a villain anyway? We need our archtypes, dammit, or there is no arch!
I am pretty big on competence and proffessionalism. Not the sort of 'hey look I can kill fifteen guys with my knife before one hits the ground' nonsense, but someone who looks at the task at hand and gets on with it. Treadstone from the Bourne films fits for the most part, the Jackal from the origonal Forsyth novel and Lucas from Spooks.
These are people who do not try to justify thier actions, they just pick a goal and complete it. These are men after my own heart.
These are people who do not try to justify thier actions, they just pick a goal and complete it. These are men after my own heart.
Erlend Sandholm said:
Suddenly I'm getting the feeling I'm the only one who rooted for Matt. I now await someone to remind me of that law of never being the only one.The Great JT said:
I usually root for the hero unless there is a good reason not too. Wind Waker Ganondorf is one of the few examples I can think of, he just wanted to restore Hyrule, I felt bad trapping him in stone at the bottom of the ocean.
Many times, specially in shows that try to hard for me to like the character they name "the protagonist", while making him completely unlikely compared to "the villain". I can't empathize with someone just because the writers tells me "he is the good guy".
Lately, I was watching Gundam 00. Another example of me rooting for the other side, since the Gundam faction and ideals are all awful.
That is a great example. I always hated the show because most times Jerry deserved to end up in Tom's stomach.DaKiller said:
Lately, I was watching Gundam 00. Another example of me rooting for the other side, since the Gundam faction and ideals are all awful.
I loved to read the old norse sagas and in those Loki isn't really the bad guy he is often made out to be in other media. He is constantly betrayed by his fellow gods or used to betray the ice giants while Loki himself is half giant (one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleipnir#Prose_Edda). His children are imprisoned, sure, they are monstrous but they are still his children. Overall there isn't really any real bad guys in the norse sagas because everyone is about as bad. I couldn't hold it against Loki when he turned against the gods in the end.3quency said:
I totally agree, for all the times Loki was spending time spawning monsters and framing blind people he also helped the other gods out. I suppose that's one of the more interesting aspects of dead mythologies that we don't really get with modern religions - there weren't really any clear cut morals and there certainly weren't any obvious heroes.
Which is probably a discussion thread all on it's own...
Which is probably a discussion thread all on it's own...
When I watched Mobile Suit Gundam for the first time, I always wanted Char to win.
I mean seriously look at him! He's gorgeous!
I mean seriously look at him! He's gorgeous!
CANT LET YOU DO THAT, STARFOX"
"man, those Wolfen ships shat on the Arwing when i was a little kid."
Dead Rising: Carlito just wanted some justice for his hometown.
Diablo 3: i hope Diablo, his brothers, and forces of HELL come back to finally end this atrocity to the franchise.
and enders game. i wish those aliens had destroyed that annoying kid and everything he held dear. hated that godddamn book so much i ended up burning it.
"man, those Wolfen ships shat on the Arwing when i was a little kid."
Dead Rising: Carlito just wanted some justice for his hometown.
Diablo 3: i hope Diablo, his brothers, and forces of HELL come back to finally end this atrocity to the franchise.
and enders game. i wish those aliens had destroyed that annoying kid and everything he held dear. hated that godddamn book so much i ended up burning it.
of course i rooted for the bad guys! they were dicks just to be dicks and that's a quality that must be commended!