RUMOR: Next xbox release fall 2010, released with project Natal

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Fenring

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Space Spoons said:
On topic, is it console upgrade time already? Man, time flies.
Yeah, I remember buying my launch 360. Doesn't seem like five/four years. Feels like I used my original Xbox for more years, but nope.

Computer-Noob said:
Also, if Natal stands for something, please tell me. Otherwise, its a stupid name.
I think it's the city the creator is from or something. It's also supposed to be like a rebirth. So no acronym.
 

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Eh, I would hope it's not actually a new system. I really don't have the money for yet another new console.
 

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...aaaannd how many Xbox360 versions have they released now? Sure, they say its an all new Xbox, but personally I don't buy it, it may come with a bigger price tag and with Project Natal, but it will always be, really deep, deep down, an Xbox360.
 

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Computer-Noob said:
Whatever happened to the 360 being WAY better than the PS3, fanboys? I guess Microsoft has realized the truth, now we just have to wait for you.

Project Natal and Sony's equivalent are also rather pointless...Neither Sony nor Microsoft needs to use motion controls in order to beat Nintendo out of sales, so why bother?


Also, if Natal stands for something, please tell me. Otherwise, its a stupid name.
As far as I know, Natal refers to birth. It's also Portuguese for Christmas.

And right now as far as I know Nintendo is ahead of the 360 by about 20 odd million units. Microsoft needs something to sharply spike the 360 sales, because if they trickle in slowly it won't get them ahead, whoever wants a 360 won't rush out and buy it straight away, meaning sales will climb but not in the speed they want.

Plus the PS3 is not that much more powerful than the 360, and ignoring that it won't affect sales the way the first xbox being the most powerful didn't affect sales the way Microsoft wanted it to.
 

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So what? I wouldn't be able to buy the Natal separately? MS better be offering one hell of a trade in deal for it then. I have no need for 2 xboxes lying around.
 

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pantsoffdanceoff said:
I think its way too early, especially considering then Sony would have to release something more powerful than its' PS3 to compete, and since machines like that are only found at NASA...
Or at people's desks, like the one I'm currently posting on.
 

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Asehujiko said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I think its way too early, especially considering then Sony would have to release something more powerful than its' PS3 to compete, and since machines like that are only found at NASA...
Or at people's desks, like the one I'm currently posting on.
See what he did there?
 

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Asehujiko said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I think its way too early, especially considering then Sony would have to release something more powerful than its' PS3 to compete, and since machines like that are only found at NASA...
Or at people's desks, like the one I'm currently posting on.
Thank you for showing some knowledge in a world of ignorance.

As for the new Xbox thing? No one read the actual article, huh? It's a new version, and it's a RUMOR. If anything, I just expect a new bundle for the Holidays with Natal included and the new rumored [a href=http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/could-xbox-360-use-32nm-chips-in-09/18811/?biz=1"]32nm processors[/a].

That sounds much more likely than a new console.
 

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Dated graphically? You best be trollin'.
Yeah Draw distance(especially), frame rates, and some level of detail. I guess game preformance would be a better line than dated graphics.
They are making far too much of a jump in terms of graphical power. The 360 is just about breaking even, and the PS3 is making a loss on each console. If these problems (frame rate, draw distance) are glaring, then they are focusing too much on graphical output and should take a step back. Fulfilling all of the criteria above on a home console would be too costly.

...Except now they can't. The populace gamers are far too accustomed to graphical output of the highest order. I've seen a forum thread (not on here) that says Prototype has bad graphics, and I'm sorry but that's bullshit. Prototype doesn't look like Crysis, but it doesn't by any means look bad.
Exactly, and the gameplay MORE than compensates for the average graphics.
 

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BolognaBaloney said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
sneakypenguin said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
Dated graphically? You best be trollin'.
Yeah Draw distance(especially), frame rates, and some level of detail. I guess game preformance would be a better line than dated graphics.
They are making far too much of a jump in terms of graphical power. The 360 is just about breaking even, and the PS3 is making a loss on each console. If these problems (frame rate, draw distance) are glaring, then they are focusing too much on graphical output and should take a step back. Fulfilling all of the criteria above on a home console would be too costly.

...Except now they can't. The populace gamers are far too accustomed to graphical output of the highest order. I've seen a forum thread (not on here) that says Prototype has bad graphics, and I'm sorry but that's bullshit. Prototype doesn't look like Crysis, but it doesn't by any means look bad.
Exactly, and the gameplay MORE than compensates for the average graphics.
Hell I would consider it to be above average, but then I am not a graphics person in the slightest. But yes, you're right.
 

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Computer-Noob said:
Whatever happened to the 360 being WAY better than the PS3, fanboys? I guess Microsoft has realized the truth, now we just have to wait for you.

Project Natal and Sony's equivalent are also rather pointless...Neither Sony nor Microsoft needs to use motion controls in order to beat Nintendo out of sales, so why bother?


Also, if Natal stands for something, please tell me. Otherwise, its a stupid name.
The Wii has outsold PS3/360 combined hell sony is even expirenceing sales decreace on last year.
Aside from that the console makers have got to put an end to these different SKU's the whole point of a console is that everyone has the same experience because they are all the same machine none of this arcade/elite rubbish
 

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Well considering all we've really seen of Natal is the ability to pretend you're talking to someone on a whole new level that everyone can see, I'm not really sold on:
A) Whether it's even worth paying more cash for
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B) How it can be integrated into future games without doing the same thing over and over.
 

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squid5580 said:
So what? I wouldn't be able to buy the Natal separately? MS better be offering one hell of a trade in deal for it then. I have no need for 2 xboxes lying around.
If you can't buy it separately I would be surprised, it would be quite a drastic decision.

Mazty said:
A slight hardware upgrade? That's worrying considering the 360 was dated when it was released.
Your smarter than the average bear, and I'm sure it may well put a smile on your face for someone else to quote you instead and say 'WTF 360 RULZ U SUCK!!1!' (it probably would for me too) but I'll ask instead. Explain please.
 

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It's a rumor. They're probably going to be releasing a new SKU, maybe with some extra goodies, but not the next generation of Xbox.

Game consoles lose money when they're first released. Sony will be lucky to manage to pull a profit off of the PS3 at all this generation. MS is in the profitable phase of the 360's life cycle right now, so I don't see them cutting it off so soon (MS was never able to make the first Xbox cheaply enough to pull a profit on it, which was why it was cut off early). I expect a new console announced late 2011/early 2012, launching holiday season 2012.
 

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Rumor: Xbox Natal is Actually Microsoft's Next Console

So you know how Microsoft is saying Natal will be as big as console launch? Well...yeah.
By Sam Kennedy, 06/12/2009

Earlier this week gaming blog Kotaku quoted Microsoft's Shane Kim as saying that the launch of Natal, Microsoft's new controller-free motion control technology, would be as big as the launch of a console. Not surprising. That's because Natal is going to be a new console.

On this week's Listen Up podcast we discussed Natal, and David Ellis and I talked about what we've been hearing regarding the new technology -- and how it's actually the cornerstone of Microsoft's next evolution of the Xbox. Microsoft will not only release Natal as an add-on for the Xbox 360, it will come standard with the next Xbox console.

Yes, there will be a new Xbox console next fall.

However, the new console won't just be an Xbox 360 with a camera, though -- we've heard it will be considered a new platform and carry a new name (Xbox Natal?). It's not clear what sort of upgrades we might see, but some have suggested it will be an slight upgrade of the current Xbox 360 technology. Current Xbox 360 games would be playable on it, but future games would be able to take advantage of the added muscle. Similar to what we see in the PC space, games played on the more advanced Xbox would look or perform better, but publishers will still be able to support owners of both systems. Some developers have complained that they've already maxed out the Xbox 360; perhaps this will give them room to expand.

Make no mistake, we wouldn't be talking about the sort of hardware leap we've seen with Xbox (or most other) platforms in the past, and we're not talking about Microsoft ending one console cycle and starting another. We're talking about an evolution of the Xbox 360; similar hardware but upgraded, repackaged, and rebranded. It's actually not that unlike what Nintendo did with the Wii, where it essentially took the GameCube hardware, stuck in motion controls, and successfully relaunched it. The new Xbox console is said to be aimed directly at a mainstream audience -- and will launch before Nintendo is able to release its Wii HD.

What's interesting is that Nintendo and Microsoft are on a course to deliver very similar products yet are coming at them from opposite directions. Microsoft currently has the HD hardware and will in the future introduce motion controls, while Nintendo has motion controls and will in the future introduce HD hardware. Sony's PS3 will also be providing motion controls next year, though as a peripheral for its EyeToy camera.
As John Davison pointed out on the podcast, the Wii was the first console to do this, but it's likely that all future hardware will be more iterative than substantive. The distinction between new consoles will become far less marked -- similar to what we've seen in the handheld space, such as with the transitions from the Game Boy to the Game Boy Advance, the DS to the DSi, or the PSP to the PSP Go.

So when would we first hear about this new Xbox console? Our sources point to next year's Game Developer's Conference as the target for its unveiling and Fall 2010 as the target for release.

TL:DR version, rumor has it that the 360's successor will be released next year fall, and Project Natal will be spearheading this new console into the market. What do we think of this if this turns out to be true?

Source: 1up - http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174762
That's never going to happen...

Also, it's not even sure that Natal is coming out next fall. They'll release it when there's enough games ready to be shipped with it or ready to be released around the time when it comes out.

If it would turn out to be true then... Well, then I'll wake up.
 

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Asehujiko said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
I think its way too early, especially considering then Sony would have to release something more powerful than its' PS3 to compete, and since machines like that are only found at NASA...
Or at people's desks, like the one I'm currently posting on.
Yeah, it's amazing how people can actually think that a machine with 256MB of system RAM is a supercomputer in a day and age when they're practically giving out 2GB sticks of RAM in cereal boxes.
 

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new console are not great because the real money is made on the software and its taken the 360 far to long to reach a decent user base size, to release the 360 replacment now would kill any attempt at profiting from the 360 platform.
 

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jamesworkshop said:
new console are not great because the real money is made on the software and its taken the 360 far to long to reach a decent user base size, to release the 360 replacment now would kill any attempt at profiting from the 360 platform.
It doesn't look like a sizeable replacement though, it seems like a milestone upgrade. At the very least it means they are taking this tech seriously.
 

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jamesworkshop said:
new console are not great because the real money is made on the software and its taken the 360 far to long to reach a decent user base size, to release the 360 replacment now would kill any attempt at profiting from the 360 platform.
It won't be a new console. It'll be the same console in a different box. Probably with 45nm CPU/GPU, smaller form factor, etc. May even have the HDD inside it rather than a bolt on.