Rumours for the next Fallout...
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It is more then a spit shine. Rendering has been rewritten entirely, physics have been improved, and facial animation now uses the physics engine. The engine has changed a lot between games, look at morrowind compared to oblivion, oblivion compared to fallout 3, fallout 3 compared to skyrim. The Creation engine is by no means a "good" engine, but it handles consistent management of props across multiple "dimensions" far better then crytek's engine, or frostbite 2. The lag is more attributed to how the game works (move a sword on the ground, game saves it. Do it a thousand times, and your game is loading too much, hits the RAM cap, and slows down.). I would rather Bethesda stop releasing their games on PS3, rather then remove the freedom and consistency that has come to define their games.Tin Man said:
To learn never to let obsidian near a computer, but let them do some the writing if they ask nicely.Bvenged said:
It is called the Creation engine, bethesda built it from the modified gamebryo engine that morrowind-new vegas used.jaketaz said:
The obsidian did a great job at making the factions in new vegas morally grey- at least until you realize that the game considers helping one faction to be bad, and another to be good.Freaky Lou said:
The game had no set up or backstory, and little character development.
The same 11th grader who can debunk fallout 3's science is running around freeside with an orbital laser designation gun.
The different ways to complete the main quest didn't matter, there might as well have been zero ways to complete the main quest considering you didn't get to play after it was over.
Fallout 3's super mutants were never orcs, they had a community, dialouge, and an objective. Just because there was only one faction of supermutants, and there goal was to kidnap and make more super mutants doesn't make them any worse then new vegas's super mutants.
I do think that new vegas is a better game, but it is important to note that obsidian built off mechanics that bethesda had to spend time making instead of developing other things. It was nice talki[fallout: new vegas has encountered a problem and needs to close]
Yes it does; the opening movie explains the NCR discovered the Dam and headed east. When you talk to Caesar he talks in length about the creation of the Legion and the build up to the conflict. Mr. House talks about how he saved Vegas and became the de facto ruler of Vegas. Plus all of the other minor stories such as the creation of Jacobstown, the Bitter Springs Massacre, the "founding" of the Powder Gangers and many more.brainslurper said:
As for character development, the companions all have major development during their time with you and most of the faction leaders and major characters change depending on your interactions with them.
Nope, they look different and are clearly not the same person. Also is it so hard to believe that in over 2 centuries a targeting device from a solar power station may have had some scavengers snoop around, find an interesting device, discover it does "nothing" and then sell it to someone?
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but it does matter considering the endings are all completely different. Not just for the initial factions involved, but every single faction, location and major character in the game. Depending on what choice you make can completely change a character's life or what happens to a particular society.
what makes them worse is that they are a pointless addition to the game. They start off being an antagonistic force who then disappear from the story and get replaced by the Enclave. Their members are almost entirely stupid and uninteresting and their objective is similar to some medieval bandit party.
This particular double standard really irritates me.
Fallout 3 had plenty of bugs, so calling New Vegas out on that is pointless.
I knew New York would be one of the possibilities. It'll be very interesting to have a Fallout set in Manhattan. Central Park could be a deathtrap for radiated fauna, the subways could be perfect passages around New York, and the climax of the main storyline could be set on either the Empire State Building or the Statue of Liberty.
Wonder what they'll have in place for Ground Zero though. Suppose a bomb crater?
Wonder what they'll have in place for Ground Zero though. Suppose a bomb crater?
I am a resident of Hong Kong and I approve this message.boag said:
An unfortunate result of hanging on to the dumb "karma" system from FO3. Fortunately, you may notice that karma affects practically nothing in New Vegas, so in actual effect the whole thing remains intact.brainslurper said:
False. Fallout 1 and 2 provide a lot of its backstory, and you get a little refresher course in the opening cinematic. The whole game's about tension between factions that has been building up for years; the story relies on previously-established narrative. If you think there's no character development you obviously didn't do any of the companion quests. Boone and Veronica in particular are much more than they seem.brainslurper said:
There's nothing unrealistic about that. It's an experimental weapon from an abandoned facility. Some scavenging kid got ahold of it and was using it as a toy, but willing to sell it in exchange for enough caps to make all his wildest dreams come true.brainslurper said:
What? There's a dizzying number of possible endings to the game. Are you seriously saying that a game may as well not have happened if it has a definite ending?brainslurper said:
Their "community" consisted of standing around in groups waiting for people to come by so they could attack them. Their "dialogue" consisted of lines like "I WANT SMASH!!!" The "kidnapping people to turn them into Super Mutants" goal is lifted from Fallout 1, but the problem is that The Master abandoned that objective. It's not inconceivable that the Mutants would try and continue anyway, but then how do you explain the fact that all they do is slaughter and eat every human they encounter? How come you never see them actually turn anyone into a Mutant? Where are they doing this, anyway, and HOW, with such pitiful intellects?brainslurper said:
Fallout 3 was roughly as buggy at release; I'm not sure why it gets a pass and NV doesn't.brainslurper said:
At this point everything is speculation supported by oh yes the wiki that can be edited by anyone and if anyone will remember for 3 and NV was full of unsupported information that later turned out to be false, heck we don't even have an announcement that the games being developed yet let alone any specifics. It's obvious Bethesda will be the publisher, the developer is most likely going to be either Bethesda or Obsidian, the use of the creation engine seems very likely, and it'll probably be set somewhere in the U.S. for obvious reasons, thats about as far as I'd think ahead until we get some official word which may not be for some time depending on wether their looking for one more current gen release or are willing to wait the 2-3 years for the next gen consoles.
I'm pretty sure that a new Fallout game would be set in the U.S. and it'd have to be take place in a place or time period that's relatively unaffected by the previous games (No going back to D.C. or Vegas).
Denver was apparently conquered by the Legion so that's a no-go (Lanius explicitly references besieging the city). Seattle might work since there's a lot of potential for some beautiful scenery. J.E. Sawyer stated that he thinks that Louisiana would be an interesting place to see.
I do agree that the writers at Bethesda are quite poor and plots being more an excuse to run around and do shit and characters being little more than tools for quests or selling shit. That simply will not work for Fallout. Obsidian, for all their faults in programming have worthy writers capable of making interesting characters and did try to make some interesting additions.
Denver was apparently conquered by the Legion so that's a no-go (Lanius explicitly references besieging the city). Seattle might work since there's a lot of potential for some beautiful scenery. J.E. Sawyer stated that he thinks that Louisiana would be an interesting place to see.
I do agree that the writers at Bethesda are quite poor and plots being more an excuse to run around and do shit and characters being little more than tools for quests or selling shit. That simply will not work for Fallout. Obsidian, for all their faults in programming have worthy writers capable of making interesting characters and did try to make some interesting additions.
I must admit, a more Urban themed Fallout could be interesting but I want to see how London fared in the great war (Also, cockney ghouls).
Also, thanks to what happened in Lonesome Road, I'm more interested to find out what happened to the courier before and after New Vegas.
Also, thanks to what happened in Lonesome Road, I'm more interested to find out what happened to the courier before and after New Vegas.
I think the real acid test is to try out the city name and see if it sounds catchy.
Fallout: Calgary
(no. Just no.)
Fallout: Montreal
(I don't know why but I can't stop laughing and I can't understand 1/2 the NPCs)
Personally, I'd like to see a story about a Brotherhood of Steel initiate-turned-exile. That way we can fix some of the non-cannon crap that's cropped up re: the new games and the original Fallout series (esp. Fallout Tactics) in first-person format. The Brotherhood is on its way out as of New Vegas, fragmenting and dying out because of fanatical leadership, bloodline-only recruiting and techno hoarding. I wants me some Powered Armour and a main quest that's more than a set of rails that changes the map when I get bored of the quests I WANT to do. Unless, of course, that's LITERALLY the story.
Something along the lines of a lone warrior cross-crossing the country between diverging Brotherhood factions and influencing their politics and policies through his own actions a la Seven Samurai, Yojimbo or Zatoichi. Or if you prefer, The Magnificent Seven, Fistful of Dollars, or The Dirty Dozen. That would let the hero re-visit all the main Brotherhood fragments either out of the box or through DLC and spin a grand story about the death or re-invigoration (for good or ill) of a dying techno-feudal warrior tribe.
The Base storyline could even be about the California Brotherhood (and maybe the NCR) re-establishing the transcontinental Railroad in a bid to bind the Brotherhood back together before it degenerates into civil war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad
I'm thinking:
Fallout: Sons of Steel
-or-
Fallout: Steel Highway
Fallout: Calgary
(no. Just no.)
Fallout: Montreal
(I don't know why but I can't stop laughing and I can't understand 1/2 the NPCs)
Personally, I'd like to see a story about a Brotherhood of Steel initiate-turned-exile. That way we can fix some of the non-cannon crap that's cropped up re: the new games and the original Fallout series (esp. Fallout Tactics) in first-person format. The Brotherhood is on its way out as of New Vegas, fragmenting and dying out because of fanatical leadership, bloodline-only recruiting and techno hoarding. I wants me some Powered Armour and a main quest that's more than a set of rails that changes the map when I get bored of the quests I WANT to do. Unless, of course, that's LITERALLY the story.
Something along the lines of a lone warrior cross-crossing the country between diverging Brotherhood factions and influencing their politics and policies through his own actions a la Seven Samurai, Yojimbo or Zatoichi. Or if you prefer, The Magnificent Seven, Fistful of Dollars, or The Dirty Dozen. That would let the hero re-visit all the main Brotherhood fragments either out of the box or through DLC and spin a grand story about the death or re-invigoration (for good or ill) of a dying techno-feudal warrior tribe.
The Base storyline could even be about the California Brotherhood (and maybe the NCR) re-establishing the transcontinental Railroad in a bid to bind the Brotherhood back together before it degenerates into civil war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad
I'm thinking:
Fallout: Sons of Steel
-or-
Fallout: Steel Highway
"am i the only one thinking of Alaska? snow, forests and kinds of predators to fight. I dont live there, so i dont know for certain, but isnt full of isolated towns?
plus if it was Alaska, theres the whole "month" of darkness thing to play with. I can see lots of night time only creatures coming out to play.
i didnt read all the comments so if someone did suggest Alaska my bad."
Kind of. The 'thirty days of night' thing is a misnomer- even above the Arctic Circle, there's only about a week of 'no sunrise', but there's a month-long period with only 1-2 hours of sunrise, yes.
Operation Anchorage did open it up a bit, but it wasn't 'Anchorage' (I live in Anchorage, Alaska) it was a fictional 'snow and mountains' area which we were *told* was near Anchorage, but it could have been anywhere from Colorado to the Yukon.
Remember, though- the entire basis of the Fallout series isn't 'After the Nuclear Holocaust'. It's 'After the Nuclear Holocaust, from a 1950's US Perspective'. Really, what did the average American know about other countries, back then? In the 50's, it was the Cold War, and we had Allies and Enemies, and we knew a lot of stereotypes and not much else. I can't truly imagine having Fallout in a non-US country, because there isn't much info to go on- the 1950's American pictured The Future as centered around the US, as a Shining Model of Progress, and saw everywhere else through that lens.
plus if it was Alaska, theres the whole "month" of darkness thing to play with. I can see lots of night time only creatures coming out to play.
i didnt read all the comments so if someone did suggest Alaska my bad."
Kind of. The 'thirty days of night' thing is a misnomer- even above the Arctic Circle, there's only about a week of 'no sunrise', but there's a month-long period with only 1-2 hours of sunrise, yes.
Operation Anchorage did open it up a bit, but it wasn't 'Anchorage' (I live in Anchorage, Alaska) it was a fictional 'snow and mountains' area which we were *told* was near Anchorage, but it could have been anywhere from Colorado to the Yukon.
Remember, though- the entire basis of the Fallout series isn't 'After the Nuclear Holocaust'. It's 'After the Nuclear Holocaust, from a 1950's US Perspective'. Really, what did the average American know about other countries, back then? In the 50's, it was the Cold War, and we had Allies and Enemies, and we knew a lot of stereotypes and not much else. I can't truly imagine having Fallout in a non-US country, because there isn't much info to go on- the 1950's American pictured The Future as centered around the US, as a Shining Model of Progress, and saw everywhere else through that lens.
*Reads*Jove said:
But.. If the game has not been announced, if the developer has not been announced. And if in august, when the developers of Skyrim were largely done, there was no-one in their gamestudios even working in pre-production. How can we know?