TestECull said:
huser said:
In defense of that idea...Washington IS relatively unscathed. Completely recognizable tourist attractions after two hundred years of neglect and the fall of civilization sorta suggest it WASN'T hit that hard. Heck the wreckage of the White House doesn't even suggest a particularly large explosive let alone civ destroying nuclear attack.
Bethesda have out and out admitted that was done solely for gameplay reasons. DC was absolutely hammered, everyone there was still blasted back into the stone age 200 years after the fact. Compare it to Vegas, which is more or less unscathed, or any of the major cities in the first two games, where technology is returning and people are actually able to live without the threat of constant death and radiation poisoning once more. Hell, there's even governments again, NCR being a big example thereof.
West coast: Society has rebuilt. People can live in peace in clean, safe cities, raise families, have steady supplies of food, water and medical care, and can more or less enjoy life, so long as they stay in the city itself. If someone wrongs you there is a police force to help, and there is a government ensuring chaos stays on the fringes.
East coast: People are squatting in whatever rubble is still semi-standing and hoping the evil monsters leave them alone. Your police force consists of Officer Smith and his partner Wesson, and your food and medical supplies are whatever you can literally dig out of the rubble. Enjoy that two hundred year old TV dinner!
DC was hit and hit hard. The only reason those monuments survived was so players would have a reason to head into DC in the first place. Bethesda made quite a lot of changes between the lore version of DC and the game version for gameplay reasons, because if DC looked in Fallout 3 as it does in the lore you'd see a large, radioactive crater full of rubble and monsters.
Fair enough. Seems like a pretty radical departure to make if you are bothering to go for that. Might as well not set it in DC then. I figured the more logical reason for why the West Coast is better in comparison to the Capital Wasteland is because the quality of people living there...
But seriously the NCR wouldn't exist but for TWO major players that saved the day. Even ignoring the Guardian of Forever easter egg basically creating the whole setting at least to the "present" day, the West Coast would either be overrun by the Master's army, The Brotherhood of Steel, or the Enclave, only one of those situations being particularly superior to the Capital Wasteland. And even then the current state of the NCR required some apparently unique access to Vaults and their high tech (the GECK's). Once it happens just the once that we see in the DC area, they now have fresh water.
Heck, local raiders would have destroyed Shady Sands long before the NCR was ever formed but for a random guy from a nearby vault. So yeah it's civilized (well at least relative to the rest of the country), but it's basically thanks to TWO one in a million type interventions. Entirely possible that the Capital Wasteland never had that and the brief glimmers of civilization that had lit up never caught on.
EDIT - And let's not overstate HOW awesome living within the borders of the NCR is. Yeah it's better than the Capital Wasteland overall, perhaps a lot better, given we haven't seen it yet through Bethesda's eyes, but there are plenty of dangers that remain.
Given the Commonwealth is apparently sufficiently resource rich and technologically capable to be mass producing androids such that beings are needed to be trained to track down rogue ones, it doesn't even look like the Capital Wasteland's specific crapitude is widespread...which might support the fact that the DC area was bombed particularly hard, but I have difficulty believing even as target rich as the Mid Atlantic would be that much more than the coastal New England area.