Rush Limbaugh Defends Video Game Free Speech

[Czargent Sane]

Ooo, Cat Stevens. Did you know he's sends money to radical islamic groups and is on the DHS terror watch list? He doesn't even call himself Cat Stevens any more, he calls himself Yusef Islam. I know that's when I make a rally to restore sanity, the first thing I try to do is find the most batshit insane person in the world and send him an invite.

...You mean that time in 2004 when he was denied entry to the US over what was most likely a coincidental similarity of his name? At least, that's the only Cat Stevens-related terrorism controversy I can remember off the top of my head... Is there something else that you're referring to?

Moreover, I can't say I'm especially pleased with the way you use the mere fact that he happened to convert to Islam, and took an Islamic name, as evidence that he's "batshit insane".

what about the part where he said "sends money to radical islamic goups"? could that be the reason he doesnt like him? I dont know if that fact is right or wrong, but that might be the "evidence" you're looking for.

 

[Composer]

any ally is a good ally.

I guess that's what FDR and Truman thought about Stalin.

worked for a little while

 

[JWW2]

Link [http://kotaku.com/5677274/rush-limbaugh-defends-video-games-free-speech-says-this-is-where-the-battle-is]

I don't know what to think about this. I mean, I really hate Rush Limbaugh's pro-right wing politics, and therefore he is defending video games' rights to free speech.

Corrected.

Hardy har har. It's not a left/right issue, it's a matter of common sense and the constitution, which unlike certain crazies on the television will have you think, both sides support equally. That is to say, they both take equally giant missteps.

I agree. But he still supports freedom of speech due to his right-wing politics.

That's wrong! There's no cause/effect relationship between right or left wingers and freedom of speech cases. The one network that's come down hardest on video game free speech in that they've been making up ridiculous stories for years about how video games are killing our children is the Conservative network Fox News.

Read what I wrote, because I get the feeling that you didn't even skim it. I never said that believing in free speech in video games was a purely right wing position.

His politics ---> Lead him to believe things ---> One of these things is that video games should have the right to free speech

Many other right wingers have politics ---> That lead them to believe that video games should not have the right to free speech

Many leftists have politics ---> That lead them to believe that video games should have the right to free speech

Get what I'm saying? I agree with you, my point was that support of free speech in video games is not contradictory to right wing politics. I was clearing up the same assumption that you just believed (mistakenly) that I was making about leftists.

http://xkcd.com/169/
I don't know why you would think I 'just skimmed' your posts that were /never more than a sentence long/.

Communicating badly =/= communicating briefly. Take my post. I said that Rush Limbaugh's politics led him to support freedom of speech in video games. Then there were people who assumed that I must mean that liberals do not support video game free speech or that only right wing politics support video game free speech. They were wrong to make these assumptions, and I told them exactly why.

And now, after I correct people about my post, you have nothing better to do but swoop in and assume that, because I was being brief in my post, I must have been trying to act smug. You have fallen into the same fallacy as the rest of them. Please improve the quality of your posts before responding.

So, you were put on probation for communicating poorly, now you're convinced that I just didn't read you right because I'm such a simpleton, and now you're creating a dummy account to evade your posting probation? Yeah, you seem like a pretty straight shooter.

So what if I didn't need to write a paragraph to express my thoughts? And so what if I got put on probation for it? The point here isn't how the Escapist staff wants to run their forums, the point is that people assumed that I believed something that I didn't even say, and I corrected them, and then you accused me of poor communication.

Perhaps if you were actually paying attention to people who were correcting you and realized that everyone who read your post thought that you were communicating an idea that you claim you weren't, you would realize; hey. Maybe you were communicating poorly. Maybe your succinct and pithy thoughts aren't very well written at all. Think about it.

I'm off.

No. Reading Claim A and assuming that the person who made Claim A must support Claim B is a sign of poor reading skills, not poor communication. It doesn't matter who is to "blame", they should've asked me to clarify my position rather than jumping to conclusions, like you did.

And by the way, using moderator rules as if they were a valid argument is a poor way to support a position.

 

[Break]

Ooo, Cat Stevens. Did you know he's sends money to radical islamic groups and is on the DHS terror watch list? He doesn't even call himself Cat Stevens any more, he calls himself Yusef Islam. I know that's when I make a rally to restore sanity, the first thing I try to do is find the most batshit insane person in the world and send him an invite.

...You mean that time in 2004 when he was denied entry to the US over what was most likely a coincidental similarity of his name? At least, that's the only Cat Stevens-related terrorism controversy I can remember off the top of my head... Is there something else that you're referring to?

Moreover, I can't say I'm especially pleased with the way you use the mere fact that he happened to convert to Islam, and took an Islamic name, as evidence that he's "batshit insane".

what about the part where he said "sends money to radical islamic goups"? could that be the reason he doesnt like him? I dont know if that fact is right or wrong, but that might be the "evidence" you're looking for.

That was related to the part where he wasn't allowed in to the US. There were some follow-up investigations into whether he may have donated money to Hamas, but nothing substantial came of it. Hell, even if he had been placed on the no-fly list intentionally at some point, the simple fact that he was able to show up at the rally suggests that Knight's use of the present tense was incorrect.

I mean, I'm not saying that the guy's not crazy. He's a musician, after all. Musicians are crazy.

 

[Czargent Sane]

Ooo, Cat Stevens. Did you know he's sends money to radical islamic groups and is on the DHS terror watch list? He doesn't even call himself Cat Stevens any more, he calls himself Yusef Islam. I know that's when I make a rally to restore sanity, the first thing I try to do is find the most batshit insane person in the world and send him an invite.

...You mean that time in 2004 when he was denied entry to the US over what was most likely a coincidental similarity of his name? At least, that's the only Cat Stevens-related terrorism controversy I can remember off the top of my head... Is there something else that you're referring to?

Moreover, I can't say I'm especially pleased with the way you use the mere fact that he happened to convert to Islam, and took an Islamic name, as evidence that he's "batshit insane".

what about the part where he said "sends money to radical islamic goups"? could that be the reason he doesnt like him? I dont know if that fact is right or wrong, but that might be the "evidence" you're looking for.

That was related to the part where he wasn't allowed in to the US. There were some follow-up investigations into whether he may have donated money to Hamas, but nothing substantial came of it. Hell, even if he had been placed on the no-fly list intentionally at some point, the simple fact that he was able to show up at the rally suggests that Knight's use of the present tense was incorrect.

I mean, I'm not saying that the guy's not crazy. He's a musician, after all. Musicians are crazy.

all I'm saying is that knight was probably referring to the suspected extremism rather than the fact that he is a muslim when he said he was insane.

 

[Stuntkid]

We're DOOMED

 

[Madara XIII]

Right wingers aren't supposed to be defending free speech.

That politician's a spy!

Spah sappin' mah policies!

*Lights Flamethrower* SPY CHECK!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOSH

 

[Kryten1029a]

any ally is a good ally.

I wouldn't really say that. What if we had a leader of a terrorist organization saying video games are good?

Is this a new spin on Godwin's Law? Bin Laden instead of Hitler?

Oh so terrorist organization must be run by middle easterns now?

I most definitely did NOT say that! My entire point was that suggesting a moral equivalency between Rush Limbaugh and the leader of a terrorist organization is no less dishonest and no less intellectually lazy than comparing them to Hitler.

 

[Calbeck]

Amazing how fast and furious this whole thing derailed into arguments over how evil Limbaugh either is or isn't.

 

[Cocamaster]

Anyway, you're missing my point. I think to suggest that there are no centrists Washington is probabilistically silly, not to mention unsupported (I enjoyed your less-than-deft deflection of your own burden of proof, not to mention the attempt to establish some kind of Ethos by insinuating that you know bunches and bunches and political viewpoints. Which, maybe you do, but that's beside the point).

Yeah, I just LOVE unsupported attacks to my integrity. Here's a rule of thumb:

Next time you start talking about proving one's point, make sure to prove your point first instead of trying to diminish the point of view of others with banter, which is the only thing you have offered.

You keep making comments on how I don't substantiate my views, and you do the same, then you say I dodge, while doing the same. And no, naming an 832 page text book without quotations and pages does not count as proof. You might as well divert to the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

I see where this is going.

The fact is, it is MORE CENTRIST (not centrist, just MORE CENTRIST) than most of America, on both relevant spectra. Even conjecture suggests this: Any average must be between two extremes in a data set, and politicians purport to have an average view, because that will garner the most votes, and votes are the direct cause of election.

That's, colloquially speaking, bullcrap.

For starters, it assumes the premise that a politician will only reflect the views he actually has, which is total crap. There are too many examples to cite of politicians who reached their constituency by projecting a centrist image and then shifting to the left or right.

Second, it neglects history. The last 40 years alone show obvious ideological patterns in each party. Their voting records in the House and Senate support this. All text books in Political Studies written in the last 20 years reflect these tendencies.

Finally, not only stating that Washington is more centrist than the rest of the population not only is misleading, it is flat out wrong when we consider that more than 57% of the US population considers itself independent and centrist.

Incidentally, I never claimed to be objective; if you'll read the end of my last post, you'll notice that I insinuated the opposite. Rather, I argue that it is possible, by codifying views independent of their experimental frequency in the actual population, to make an objective political spectrum. It's an oversimplified one, obviously, but all such spectrums are.

Yup, you didn't claim to be objective, you just acted as if your opinion was the gold standard while trying to demean me and my argument, presenting your own perceived views as superior, well researched and factual, when in reality they are just as riddled with speculation half truths as the best of them.

I'm done. It's obvious you are less interested in debating and completely focused in tooting your own horn. Too bad you're doing it from so high up on your damn horse, we can't hear it anyway.