RWBY Volume 3 Preview from RTX 2015

[DirectorK]

Okay, okay! Before you start, yes, I know a while ago I said that I was done with Rooster Teeth because they were pulling their copyright bullshit again. Looking at it now I probably just had a knee jerk reaction due to my frustration with this series for nearly the last three years and I was defending a guy who in truth is too much of an egotist. That's not to say I don't believe everything he said before was bullshit because, like it or not, he does make a lot of legitimate points.

So, I'm sorry, okay. Obviously I'm not perfect and I admit that maybe I'm probably taking RWBY a little too seriously in terms of literacy. In truth I wasn't going to pay attention to RWBY or Rooster Teeth at this time but then RTX 2015 came up and eventually my curiosity got the better of me and I ended up checking it out. I came back to Escapist forums expecting to see a thread talking about it and to my very surprise... there wasn't one. Huh, no one's excited about this? Yes, before you mention it, I am aware there's a RWBY thread about the Japanese dub and I'll get to commenting on that eventually. Moving on from that, I decided to start a thread to see what everyone thinks so far by what was presented on RTX. What do we to look forward to with RWBY Volume 3? Well, let's take a look.

Instead of posting the entire panal I'll just use this video to give a quick overview of things.


So we start with the characters on the announcement to Monty's character Lie Ren will not be retired but will be voiced by his brother. Kudos to you RT.

We're finally being introduced to Ruby's uncle, Qrow, including his weapon(the gun-scythe, as we already know), his character design, his emblem and that he's a teacher at Signal Academy. And his to be voiced by Vic Mignogna.

Wait, what? Vic Mignogna?!

...

Alright, I have to be honest here. I like the design but the voice actor choice? Uuuuh, I don't know. I have nothing against the man but for the love of God please, just PLEASE, don't make Qrow act and sound like Spirit Albarn from Soul Eater. I want at least ONE, just ONE, badass character who isn't annoying and actually takes his job seriously(with the exception of Glynda).

We're also introduced to Weiss older sister, Winter(voiced by Elizabeth Maxwell from Ghost in the Shell fame).

Let it sink in for a moment...

Okay, did anyone pick up what exactly is wrong there ? If you did, yep, it's "OLDER" sister. *sigh* Just let this guy to explain.


So is Weiss supposed to be the heir to the Schnee Dust Company or not? Isn't the oldest sibling supposed to inherit the company unless that child is deemed unworthy?

Now, like fatman said, there are possibilities to this. It could be that Winter is an outcast because she's rebellious. But if that was the case, wouldn't Weiss be more resentful about speaking to her sister when she called up the supervisor for the Schnee records? And why was Winter there with her father if she's supposed to be outcast? Were they trying to patch things up?

Or maybe Winter really is a bastard, possibly having a Faunus mother? That actually would be interesting, even ironic to the Schnee family. However, it's probably unlikely given the Company's history with the Faunus but you never know.

Or perhaps Winter is actually a Lesbian and that's why she's an outcast, which would be laughable yet unlikely. But given how the writers pandered to the audience last volume with team attacks named after shipping relationships from fans I wouldn't put it past them quite yet.

Then again, maybe M&K just don't give a shit and I'm just wishful thinking here. So, moving on from that.

A new team is introduced, ABRN. There is also(I think) another team that's supposed to be from another school. I'm a little mixed up here so feel free to correct me. So we might be getting eight new characters in a series that's already crowded with a bunch of other characters, some of which we know little to nothing about and could care less. I'm honestly starting to wonder if they've completely forgotten about Sun and Neptune's teammates after making such a big deal about them last volume.

Lastly we are FINALLY getting around to the festival and the tournament that was talked about for the last two volume and we are given some insight how the tournament goes along with a look at the stadium that has multi-environment stages. We'll definitely be in for some awesome fights.

So, what do you guys think so far? There are some things to look forward to and some things... not so much. Qrow voiced by Vic Mignogna *shivers*. I know I'm probably overreacting but I can't help but dread over what they may do to Qrow's character given Vic Mignogna's track record in voicing emo characters. We can only wait and see.

 

[Scarim Coral]

I ok/ optimistic with it despite the critisms made toward it already. I never believed that being the oldest automatically means you got dips on the inheritances and I have no problem with Vic voicing Ruby uncle as long he sound alright. Still it is kinda interesting that they kinda got some A list voice actor/ actress for season 3 which I can guess they have minor role like when they got Frodo to voices one of the AIs in Red Vs Blue Freelancers.

 

[Josh123914]

One word: Ultimogeniture.
http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Ultimogeniture

In this, the youngest child inherits. So having an older sister wouldn't be an issue.

That, or they just designate an heir, and this could work if Winter is an irredeemable screw-up and they figure Weiss' *winning* personality is better in the long term.

 

[DirectorK]

I ok/ optimistic with it despite the critisms made toward it already. I never believed that being the oldest automatically means you got dips on the inheritances and I have no problem with Vic voicing Ruby uncle as long he sound already. Still it is kinda interesting that they kinda got some A list voice actor/ actress for season 3 which I can guess they have minor role like when they got Frodo to voices one of the AIs in Red Vs Blue Freelancers.

The thing I find funny though is that RT was able to hire well known voice actors to voice major characters but they can't give Jen Taylor a role to play. Don't get me wrong, she's excellent as a narrator but I find it a little unfair that she doesn't get to voice someone seeing that this supposedly to the last season of RWBY.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I ok/ optimistic with it despite the critisms made toward it already. I never believed that being the oldest automatically means you got dips on the inheritances and I have no problem with Vic voicing Ruby uncle as long he sound already. Still it is kinda interesting that they kinda got some A list voice actor/ actress for season 3 which I can guess they have minor role like when they got Frodo to voices one of the AIs in Red Vs Blue Freelancers.

The thing I find funny though is that RT was able to hire well known voice actors to voice major characters but they can't give Jen Taylor a role to play. Don't get me wrong, she's excellent as a narrator but I find it a little unfair that she doesn't get to voice someone seeing that this supposedly to the last season of RWBY.

Vic approached them about it. He's probably not making Funimation money from it, if I were to guess. Not sure about the GitS lady though.

 

[09philj]

RWBY is one of the few things where I allow myself to flip the "ignore stupidity" switch in my brain and take it all at face value. It's daft fun with a nice aesthetic and soundtrack. It's not more, not less, and certainly not worth strong feelings, positive or negative. My only gripe with it is that there isn't really a heroic character who I can call truly devious, even though there are far more things wrong with it than that. Roll on Volume 3...

 

[Daniel Dearing]

The Oxford dictionary defines heiress as: A female heir, especially to vast wealth.
Heir is also defines as: A person legally entitled to the property or rank of another on that person?s death.
Cambridge defines it as: a woman or girl who will receive or already has received a lot of money, property, or a title from another person, especially an older member of the same family, when that person dies.
In other words, a person's age doesn't come into it. It's not like a monarchy where the oldest person gets it. Sure, the oldest usually gets the most, but Bill Gates has three children and all three will inherit when he dies, making them a heir and heiresses. the same will probably be said for Winter and Weiss; they're both capable of being heiresses to the Schnee Dust Company (and/or its riches) at the same time.
That said, I do like the idea of Winter being a black sheep in the family. It would certainly make for an interesting twist, if nothing else.

 

[Kolby Jack]

The Oxford dictionary defines heiress as: A female heir, especially to vast wealth.
Heir is also defines as: A person legally entitled to the property or rank of another on that person?s death.
Cambridge defines it as: a woman or girl who will receive or already has received a lot of money, property, or a title from another person, especially an older member of the same family, when that person dies.
In other words, a person's age doesn't come into it. It's not like a monarchy where the oldest person gets it. Sure, the oldest usually gets the most, but Bill Gates has three children and all three will inherit when he dies, making them a heir and heiresses. the same will probably be said for Winter and Weiss; they're both capable of being heiresses to the Schnee Dust Company (and/or its riches) at the same time.
That said, I do like the idea of Winter being a black sheep in the family. It would certainly make for an interesting twist, if nothing else.

What a well researched response, and a first post, no less! Good first impression, broseph.

 

[Daniel Dearing]

What a well researched response, and a first post, no less! Good first impression, broseph.

Thank you
I give full credit to the early moderators of Wikipedia and the flood of notability citations they sent me for every little thing I tried to add. Annoying at the time, but really pushed me to research and reference.

 

[DirectorK]

The Oxford dictionary defines heiress as: A female heir, especially to vast wealth.
Heir is also defines as: A person legally entitled to the property or rank of another on that person?s death.
Cambridge defines it as: a woman or girl who will receive or already has received a lot of money, property, or a title from another person, especially an older member of the same family, when that person dies.
In other words, a person's age doesn't come into it. It's not like a monarchy where the oldest person gets it. Sure, the oldest usually gets the most, but Bill Gates has three children and all three will inherit when he dies, making them a heir and heiresses. the same will probably be said for Winter and Weiss; they're both capable of being heiresses to the Schnee Dust Company (and/or its riches) at the same time.
That said, I do like the idea of Winter being a black sheep in the family. It would certainly make for an interesting twist, if nothing else.

I'm not saying you're wrong and it's quite likely there are multiple heirs but it should be taken into account that a lot of old school rich and powerful families wouldn't divide their inheritance among their children, especially if they had been spoiled beyond redemption. The reason for this was to prevent family squabbles, or worse, open conflicts which could lead to violence and even death. Before World War One a lot of wars were started that way when it came to power.

The reason for a single heir(usually male) was the oldest sibling was because he/she would be the most intelligent and had the most experience in life. Once the heir inherited, is was their responsibility to see what was best for the family and/or the company.

 

[TristanBelmont]

Well I've made my hatred of this show VERY vocal in the past, but I've got nothing better to do so I'll just post it again.

Trailers: "Gosh and golly Batman that looks awesome! That girl with the scythe is like if Dante and Bayonetta had a kid and she was raised by the Grim Reaper!"

Season 1: ......... "Well guess I have to go kill Monty because that was the biggest lie ever'

Season 2: "Huh. Still crap but slightly less bad."

 

[Mikeyfell]

Well I've made my hatred of this show VERY vocal in the past, but I've got nothing better to do so I'll just post it again.

Trailers: "Gosh and golly Batman that looks awesome! That girl with the scythe is like if Dante and Bayonetta had a kid and she was raised by the Grim Reaper!"

Season 1: ......... "Well guess I have to go kill Monty because that was the biggest lie ever'

Season 2: "Huh. Still crap but slightly less bad."

Volume 2 was "Slightly less bad"? Blaspheme
Someone needs to be educated.

That'll teach you to have an opinion that marginally differs from my own! Girrrr.

But yeah, the bait and switch in the trailers was a travesty.
Even if you watch the trailer for the Japanese dub they still use clips from the trailers to give the false impression that you're about to watch an action movie.
It's pretty sick twisted marketing.

 

[Daniel Dearing]

I'm not saying you're wrong and it's quite likely there are multiple heirs but it should be taken into account that a lot of old school rich and powerful families wouldn't divide their inheritance among their children, especially if they had been spoiled beyond redemption. The reason for this was to prevent family squabbles, or worse, open conflicts which could lead to violence and even death. Before World War One a lot of wars were started that way when it came to power.

The reason for a single heir(usually male) was the oldest sibling was because he/she would be the most intelligent and had the most experience in life. Once the heir inherited, is was their responsibility to see what was best for the family and/or the company.

And that might be the case here. It might be that Winter is the primary heiress, and will inherit the power and major responsibility of the Schnee Dust Company upon her father's death, but Weiss will be expected to take on certain duties and powers of her own.

Or not. It could also be said that Weiss is an heiress through a line of succession. For example, Charles, Prince of Wales, is heir to the British throne, but so is his son, William, and HIS son George, and so on. So if something were to happen to Mr. Schnee and Winter, Weiss would inherit the company

That said, comparing the Schnee family with old school rich and powerful families might not be comparing like with like. Weiss mentions in "The Stray" that the company is her Grandfather's (Not sure if that means it's still RUN by her grandfather or if he merely started it, but that's a discussion for another day), so that could mean the company is only two generations old. And seeing as we haven't been told what the Schnee family was like prior to the founding of the company, they could be fairly new to wealth and thus have differing views to those of 'old money', such as having more than one heir.

Of course, I might just be overthinking things. Interesting to think about though.

 

[DirectorK]

I'm not saying you're wrong and it's quite likely there are multiple heirs but it should be taken into account that a lot of old school rich and powerful families wouldn't divide their inheritance among their children, especially if they had been spoiled beyond redemption. The reason for this was to prevent family squabbles, or worse, open conflicts which could lead to violence and even death. Before World War One a lot of wars were started that way when it came to power.

The reason for a single heir(usually male) was the oldest sibling was because he/she would be the most intelligent and had the most experience in life. Once the heir inherited, is was their responsibility to see what was best for the family and/or the company.

And that might be the case here. It might be that Winter is the primary heiress, and will inherit the power and major responsibility of the Schnee Dust Company upon her father's death, but Weiss will be expected to take on certain duties and powers of her own.

Or not. It could also be said that Weiss is an heiress through a line of succession. For example, Charles, Prince of Wales, is heir to the British throne, but so is his son, William, and HIS son George, and so on. So if something were to happen to Mr. Schnee and Winter, Weiss would inherit the company

That said, comparing the Schnee family with old school rich and powerful families might not be comparing like with like. Weiss mentions in "The Stray" that the company is her Grandfather's (Not sure if that means it's still RUN by her grandfather or if he merely started it, but that's a discussion for another day), so that could mean the company is only two generations old. And seeing as we haven't been told what the Schnee family was like prior to the founding of the company, they could be fairly new to wealth and thus have differing views to those of 'old money', such as having more than one heir.

Of course, I might just be overthinking things. Interesting to think about though.

Given M&K reputation for their excellent(*cough! cough!*) writing, we all may be wishing thinking here.

 

[09philj]

Of course, I might just be overthinking things.

It's RWBY. Basically any level of thinking is overthinking. If it seems like a plot hole, it is probably is a plot hole and not a clever set up. If every thing which didn't make sense was set up I'd be fully expecting Penny to turn out to be a cyborg at some point.

 

[Daniel Dearing]

Given M&K reputation for their excellent(*cough! cough!*) writing, we all may be wishing thinking here.

Of course, I might just be overthinking things.

It's RWBY. Basically any level of thinking is overthinking. If it seems like a plot hole, it is probably is a plot hole and not a clever set up. If every thing which didn't make sense was set up I'd be fully expecting Penny to turn out to be a cyborg at some point.

That's actually a shame. I think there's a lot of potential in the world of Remnant. Maybe they need another writer or something?

 

[09philj]

That's actually a shame. I think there's a lot of potential in the world of Remnant. Maybe they need another writer or something?

Moment to moment, the writing is good. I actually watch RWBY more for the dialogue and comedy than the action. The problem lies in the fact that they can't string the moments together into a coherent story, something that Scott Pilgrim Vs The World also had trouble with. It's not even that the story arc they have laid out is in itself bad in concept; it's the practice where it falls down. When all is said and done, though, RWBY is good for what it is: an incoherent and daft, but fun, action comedy. Although a new writer (Or director) might help the show make more sense, it's not something I actually think it needs. It fulfills it's purpose fine as is.

 

[StormShaun]

I'm happy that Monty's character will still be voiced.
The same that RWBY is continuing, and acquiring some neat voice actors. Some I've heard and loved from former series (even though I watch subbed anime these days). I'm sure it'll kill some of the complaints some people are having.

Still, if anyone hasn't seen me rant about the show. I believe the whole show needed development with the story and characters... Especially the characters. With the story, they could have taken it slower and took some parts out. (Though I believe they could have started the entire thing differently that begins just after the character trailers.) With characters, from what we see here...

They're introducing more characters. From this point, I have a terrible feeling that the characters are going to become shells without any content or development. I will admit though, I somewhat saw this coming, since RvB has... not many deep characters and it does well with that kind of thing. I guess they want RWBY to be the same type of content. Which is no problem, because the RT audience LOVE that stuff. It's just that I get enough of it from RvB and I wanted a little bit more.

Of course though, both shows have different writers and directors.
I guess I'm not just a fan of Kerry and Miles' work, and wished this series was a little more serious in the writing department.

Although, I'm quite the picky person.
Especially since I'm studying Creative Writing.

 

[DirectorK]

Volume 3 is pretty much going to be the final straw for many of us. If they can't improve the writing along with fixing the many other issues people have had with the series for nearly the last three years, then there's really no point of continuing this series because eventually more and more people will just move on to something else. If they can't improve, the only way RWBY can redeem itself is that it will have to be rebooted. That means M&K will have to be removed as lead writers of the show(since it's been proven that they can't write even if their lives depended on it) and putting in a director who knows what he's doing and isn't all full of himself.

I think that secretly RT knows this and it's probably why they're making it the last season. RWBY really hurt their reputation and they've practically embarrassed themselves by not taking any responsibility starting with how the trailers were class-level lawsuit of misleading(I'm still amazed how no one called them out on it, or RT knew they could get away with it because no one would. And hell, even the trailer of the upcoming Japanese dub does this), not recognizing Miles's incompetence as a writer until it affected RvB as well, and even the amount of animation errors Volume 1 had that all could have been fixed with a simple delay of the show's premier.

But yeah, the amount of potential RWBY when it comes to the world of Remnant and the imagination it brings is truly what makes RWBY special and why it deserved better than what it got because the concept was THERE! It just got ruined thanks to poor decisions of the production staff.