S&P has downgraded U.S.A credit rating from AAA to AA+

[RaNDM G]

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae

All of that is irrelevant considering how we would just throw nukes at each other until nothing is left.

 

[Arkonnan]

*slams head against the wall repeatedly* The US government has apparently ceased to function. Now we need an overhaul of the system. well, we've done it once, we can do it again. Now who's up for writing the new declaration of independence?

PS sarcasm (at least that last part). I am not actually suggesting terrorist actions.

 

[Avatar Roku]

we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money

Let's see ...

China has 300,000,000 soldiers.

The entire population of the US is about 300,000,000

This means that basically, if every man, woman and child, including criminals, the mentally unfit, infants, you, me and retirees were to arm themselves and go to war, the soldier ratio would be about 1 to 1.

Besides, look around your house at different items. Find the ones that say, "MADE IN CHINA". Now, remove those items. They kind of have us by the balls. We have no industry. We, as a nation, have lost the ability to build things. The things that we DO build usually fall apart just as fast as the Chinese stuff. Remember, those sweat shops in China that make things that we use every day are owned by the same greedy bastards who outsourced the jobs over there so they wouldn't have to pay as much. If they owned factories here, they'd still have the same mentality: "Make it cheap; who cares if it falls apart in a week?"

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae?

Economically we would be screwed. But industries could be built and there should come a time when we shouldn't have to import everything from China.

Oooh, not a good parallel. The Spartans were better equipped and trained, but they still LOST at Thermoplyae, you know.

Anyway, I'm a bit pissed at the TEA Partiers who say "Don't raise taxes, the problem is that we spent more than we took in!" Yes...that's why we want to take in more.

And I'm very pissed a congress and the President in general. Petulant brats, all of them. Republicans especially, but the Democrats are far from blameless.

 

[enzilewulf]

Sometimes, it's just funny to read the threads and laugh at how insane the commentary can be around here. I would have commented, but I think it would do as much good as trying to stop a bonfire with a dixie cup full of sand.

Good day to you all, enjoy your venomous and lunatic ravings which have the barest ghost of a relationship with reality.

Stole the words right out of my mouth. Most of you are trying to tell who is at fault. Who cares.

We dun got fucked up.

 

[Doclector]

Wait, doesn't that mean from "excellent" to "slightly as than excellent"? I don't understand such things very well, but I can't imagine many countries have a brilliant rating right now, it shouldn't make much of a difference.

But...inevitably it will, because that's just how nonsensical this entire crisis is. *sigh*

 

[The Virgo]

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae?

Very true. However, there is something that has to be taken into effect: Would North Korea, in the event of war, come to China's aid? Since they're both communist nations and they're right next door to each other, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Korea would come to China's aid in the event of war. And on that note, who would come to China's aid? Vietnam is a communist country. Probably not, but I've always been a guy who looks at the worst case scenario.

And yes, quantity does not equal quality as instanced by Thermoplyae, but remember: We lost the Vietnam War because of China, who supplied the Vietcong.

Economically we would be screwed. But industries could be built and there should come a time when we shouldn't have to import everything from China.

One would like to hope so. :-(

Wait a minute ... we're having an intellectual discussion ... ON THE INTERNET?! Who knew that such a thing could happen?

 

[Ham_authority95]

Thank you tea party! You always know what's best for the American people. The CEO's hoarding billions should be completely untouched while the price of living continues to soar for the rest of America. And thank you inept monkeys of the American government for completely failing to provide an even remotely efficient plan to fix our growing debt. Oh well, we should just blame Obama.

For the amount of debt we have, I'm surprised it isn't an F---.

I would like to hope that this will make Americans wake up to the economic state of the world, but it won't.

 

[Avatar Roku]

we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money

Let's see ...

China has 300,000,000 soldiers.

The entire population of the US is about 300,000,000

This means that basically, if every man, woman and child, including criminals, the mentally unfit, infants, you, me and retirees were to arm themselves and go to war, the soldier ratio would be about 1 to 1.

Besides, look around your house at different items. Find the ones that say, "MADE IN CHINA". Now, remove those items. They kind of have us by the balls. We have no industry. We, as a nation, have lost the ability to build things. The things that we DO build usually fall apart just as fast as the Chinese stuff. Remember, those sweat shops in China that make things that we use every day are owned by the same greedy bastards who outsourced the jobs over there so they wouldn't have to pay as much. If they owned factories here, they'd still have the same mentality: "Make it cheap; who cares if it falls apart in a week?"

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae?

Economically we would be screwed. But industries could be built and there should come a time when we shouldn't have to import everything from China.

Oooh, not a good parallel. The Spartans were better equipped and trained, but they still LOST at Thermoplyae, you know.

Anyway, I'm a bit pissed at the TEA Partiers who say "Don't raise taxes, the problem is that we spent more than we took in!" Yes...that's why we want to take in more.

And I'm very pissed a congress and the President in general. Petulant brats, all of them. Republicans especially, but the Democrats are far from blameless.

Unfortunately no. When its fight or die situation, the defenders will always win. The Chinese can always retreat, Americans don't have that luxury. War isn't like it is in the movies. China cant afford to kill every man, woman, and child.

I know. I'm not saying we'd lose, I'm just saying it's an unfortunate parallel. The spartans DID lose, after all.

 

[dyre]

Can't say this is really surprising, but it still feels kinda weird

we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money

Let's see ...

China has 300,000,000 soldiers.

The entire population of the US is about 300,000,000

This means that basically, if every man, woman and child, including criminals, the mentally unfit, infants, you, me and retirees were to arm themselves and go to war, the soldier ratio would be about 1 to 1.

Besides, look around your house at different items. Find the ones that say, "MADE IN CHINA". Now, remove those items. They kind of have us by the balls. We have no industry. We, as a nation, have lost the ability to build things. The things that we DO build usually fall apart just as fast as the Chinese stuff. Remember, those sweat shops in China that make things that we use every day are owned by the same greedy bastards who outsourced the jobs over there so they wouldn't have to pay as much. If they owned factories here, they'd still have the same mentality: "Make it cheap; who cares if it falls apart in a week?"

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae?

Economically we would be screwed. But industries could be built and there should come a time when we shouldn't have to import everything from China.

Oooh, not a good parallel. The Spartans were better equipped and trained, but they still LOST at Thermoplyae, you know.

Anyway, I'm a bit pissed at the TEA Partiers who say "Don't raise taxes, the problem is that we spent more than we took in!" Yes...that's why we want to take in more.

And I'm very pissed a congress and the President in general. Petulant brats, all of them. Republicans especially, but the Democrats are far from blameless.

Unfortunately no. When its fight or die situation, the defenders will always win. The Chinese can always retreat, Americans don't have that luxury. War isn't like it is in the movies. China cant afford to kill every man, woman, and child.

Err, the defenders will not always win at all. A ton of the time, they'll just all die. Besides, if the Americans invade China, doesn't that make China the defender? >_>

Btw, who the fuck came up with the statistic that China has 300,000,000 soldiers?

 

[kebab4you]

So can anyone explain to me what S&P is and what they do?

 

[dyre]

Can't say this is really surprising, but it still feels kinda weird

we should just go to war with china, that way we dont owe them any money

Let's see ...

China has 300,000,000 soldiers.

The entire population of the US is about 300,000,000

This means that basically, if every man, woman and child, including criminals, the mentally unfit, infants, you, me and retirees were to arm themselves and go to war, the soldier ratio would be about 1 to 1.

Besides, look around your house at different items. Find the ones that say, "MADE IN CHINA". Now, remove those items. They kind of have us by the balls. We have no industry. We, as a nation, have lost the ability to build things. The things that we DO build usually fall apart just as fast as the Chinese stuff. Remember, those sweat shops in China that make things that we use every day are owned by the same greedy bastards who outsourced the jobs over there so they wouldn't have to pay as much. If they owned factories here, they'd still have the same mentality: "Make it cheap; who cares if it falls apart in a week?"

I just want to point out that quantity doesn't mean quality. Our military is much better equipped then they are. They may have a billion soldiers but they don't have high-tech equipment like our soldiers. They also don't have an air force nor a navy that can match ours as well. Also, ever heard of The Battle of Mt. Thermoplyae?

Economically we would be screwed. But industries could be built and there should come a time when we shouldn't have to import everything from China.

Oooh, not a good parallel. The Spartans were better equipped and trained, but they still LOST at Thermoplyae, you know.

Anyway, I'm a bit pissed at the TEA Partiers who say "Don't raise taxes, the problem is that we spent more than we took in!" Yes...that's why we want to take in more.

And I'm very pissed a congress and the President in general. Petulant brats, all of them. Republicans especially, but the Democrats are far from blameless.

Unfortunately no. When its fight or die situation, the defenders will always win. The Chinese can always retreat, Americans don't have that luxury. War isn't like it is in the movies. China cant afford to kill every man, woman, and child.

Err, the defenders will not always win at all. A ton of the time, they'll just all die. Besides, if the Americans invade China, doesn't that make China the defender? >_>

Btw, who the fuck came up with the statistic that China has 300,000,000 soldiers?

Yes. In order to win the war, you need to break the will of the people. If you can stay alive long enough for Americans to get bored, you win. However, there is no way to break the will of the people in a fight or die situation. Its like the Vietnam war, except the Viet Cong are American soldiers. Its even in Sun Tzu's art of war. A whole chapter is dedicated to this fact of war.

You just totally switched positions though. First you gave the advantage to the Americans, and now you're giving it to the Chinese. Make up your mind, dude.

Also, a war would with China would obviously NOT be a "fight or die" situation. Why would China want to annihilate a country in which it holds a ton of treasury securities? If there was a war, it'd be a "fight or pay massive reparations" war.

Finally, if it were a fight or die situation...both sides have nuclear weapons.

 

[stefanbertramlee]

There arn't 300,000,000 chinese soldiers there are 2,200,000 + 800,000 reserves.

 

[infohippie]

i dont know what your talking about we dont have democrats or republicans anymore we just have liberals and conservatives.

Not even that, really. By the rest of the world's standards, you have "conservatives" and "very conservatives".

 

[dyre]

Actually no I didn't. America fighting anywhere else is a waiting game, but a fight on American soil is impossible. You cant break the will of the people when there is no fall back. China can fall back and retreat at any moment, but Americans cannot. That is a fight or die situation. This is basic strategy tactics here.

You brought into a China invading US scenario, even though China has no reason to invade. Invading America would destroy their economy.

Nah, you flip-flopped here, or rather, changed scenarios completely for some reason. Don't push this on me.

Unfortunately no. When its fight or die situation, the defenders will always win. The Chinese can always retreat, Americans don't have that luxury. War isn't like it is in the movies. China cant afford to kill every man, woman, and child.

Implying the Americans have the advantage because the war is on their home turf, where they can't afford to retreat.

Yes. In order to win the war, you need to break the will of the people. If you can stay alive long enough for Americans to get bored, you win. However, there is no way to break the will of the people in a fight or die situation. Its like the Vietnam war, except the Viet Cong are American soldiers. Its even in Sun Tzu's art of war. A whole chapter is dedicated to this fact of war.

Implying the Chinese have the advantage because they'll just "stay alive long enough for the Americans to get bored."

And honestly, it's not impossible to break the will of the people. Just stay in power long enough and don't be a total douchebag. South Vietnam isn't resisting much nowadays, is it?

 

[JordanDH]

On The Daily Show (read my post before you bawl) recently, I saw a clip of Mitch McConnell said that the most important thing to the Republican party right now was to make sure Obama didn't get re-elected. I'll admit it, I'm pretty liberal, but even compared to what I normally think of Republicans, that just seems absurd. Are they are actively trying to make the country worse under Obama, just so that he gets the blame? That pangs of a desire for power over a desire to do anything good. As you'd expect from a liberal, I would advise repealing the Bush tax cuts. No surprises there. How many of America's top earners are not from America? In 2005, your Personal tax rates were some of the lowest in the world.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110805/GPG0706/110805087/1269/gpg06/Cyber-Saturday-Republican-focus-ousting-Obama

I found this quite amusing, perhaps you will too:

 

[kebab4you]

I kind of saw this coming. Hopefully people of the USA start being more interested in their own government, and finally have enough sense to stop supporting the tea party. Honestly, people in their right minds should never support the tea party.

What? People here support the Tea Party? Most people in America hate the fucking Tea Party, along with the other 2 parties. I can't stand that the negotiations in my country have taken so damn long for fucking no reason.

We have raised the debt ceiling over one hundred times without a peep from the senate or congress. It's all about who has leverage in this fucking country, not the actual people living here.

Most polls about the subject (on both democratic and republican news programs) show that Americans are absolutely fed up with the damn government. Myself included. God damn do I hate this bi-partisan system.

I don't have much knowledge about how the system parties works in the US but couldn't you just submit a new party[footnote]Think you need about 1000 people here in sweden to be consider a party[/footnote](or several) so one party always having majority won't work?