Saints Row 1 is disturbingly overtly racist, homophobic and mysognistic.

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DudeistBelieve

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Zachary Amaranth said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
Theres nothing absurd about fag burning, just my opinion
And since we're never going to agree there, I'll leave it at that. But the point remains, you're complaining of overt homophobia on the game's part and that's not true. Whether or not you like a joke or find it funny, it was a joke.
Well I'm not saying it was created for the expressed purpose of making people feel uncomfortable, it was intended to be a joke. Unintentionally offensive is still offensive. I'm not really complaining, well with the exception of the ****** pedestrian line. Theres no reason to put that in there except to attempt to make the game seem "Gritty" and "real" but at the same time the game is suppose to be absurdity take on gang culture no?


And it's worth noting, nonetheless. 2 and 3 don't suffer from these problems, those game seem to have a clear vision of what they want to be.
 

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It's not racist, misogynistic or homophobic. It's parodying "Gangsta" culture, which is racist, misogynistic and homophobic.
Don't worry, it's just Poe's Law in effect.
 

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Oh my god, I just realized Pro Laps isn't a sporting goods store at all!

Grand Theft Auto is RUINED FOREVER NOW.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
Here's the thing man...

The SR team threw a lot of jokes out in their game. Some of them are going to be shockingly funny to some people and offensive as fuck to others. Some of them will be funny for everyone and some will only be offensive.

That doesn't make anyone (or anything for that matter) racist, homophobic, or misogynistic. The characters in the game might portray that attitude but that doesn't mean that the game itself is presenting the same attitude.
 

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DeadlyYellow said:
Oh my god, I just realized Pro Laps isn't a sporting goods store at all!

Grand Theft Auto is RUINED FOREVER NOW.
Yeah but then we got the Gay Tony DLC, and that's a pretty darn fine love letter to the gay community no?
 

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You have to keep in mind that the Saints Row series is focused on offering some sort of counterweight to Rockstar's grittier and more realistic approach to open-world gaming. GTA 4 does have its ludicrous moments (the TV shows, for instance, or some of the more humorous New York references) but on the whole, it's still trying insanely hard to deliver some kind of social commentary. I tend to call it "Scarface Meets the Immigration Doctrine", actually.

San Andreas was the last of the GTAs to put a sizable amount of focus on its inherent silliness. What caught, though, was the Urban Thug aspect of things, the whole "gangsta" approach and theme the game had. The first Saints Row was made to capitalize on that, considering how S.A. gives you plenty of opportunities to act like an offensive and racist prick in the 'hood's name.

In a sense, Saints Row was only aping its bigger brother. That, unfortunately, includes pushing the bar on some slurs and adult content. All I can say is you're probably a little too worked up about what wasn't much more than a game trying to find its identity and initially failing.

Saints Row 2 involved Volition realizing that zany humour could allow its franchise to stand apart from the rest. Saints Row: The Third takes that concept to its logical extremes. You're hitting bystanders with a dildo-shaped baseball bat and you're honestly worried about racism and homophobia in the context of an old game that was trying its hardest to put up some sort of "Thug Life"-esque front?

Live and let live, honestly. Real-life sexism, racism and homophobia are always going to be serious concerns. Seeing as how games can involved humans hating on elves or trolls or turians or whatever, I think the idea of games involving racism only makes sense. It's a thing humans do, human behaviour tends to make its way into stories, and, well, stories are the basis for most modern games that attempt to have a semblance of plot.

'Cause, following your logic, I should've thrown a massive fit upon realizing that The Third not only shows me depraved sexual acts in the making (the Safeword club and its pony show), but also degrades an African-American man in a way that would make Marcellus Wallace's treatment in "Pulp Fiction" feel humane (as in, Zimos being used as a human pony for years on end, ball gag and nipple-clamped spurs included).

To make things even worse, the same man is portrayed as being a pimp that's as stereotypical as you could possibly imagine a pimp to be, to the point where women are consistently referred to as "bitches" in his vocabulary.

But - y'know what? Nope. Not offended. Why?

Because it's ridiculous and hilarious. The first Saints Row already had an embryonic form of that take on ridicule. The insults and jeers are meant to be over-the-top PRECISELY because you're not meant to take them seriously.
 

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Lastly theres this parody Conservative talk radio station in the game. Now I listen to a lot of Conservative talk radio in real life, I love the Sean Hannity show for example, so I got a real kick out of this and it's probably my favorite saying by the way of displaying the right to it's absolute extreme... but even that has this....

Host 1: So we're talking about Flag burning...
Host 2: Yes. Burn them.
Host 1: ...What?
Host 2: Burn them. Burn those people.
Host 1: What are you talking about? We're talking about FLAG burning.
Host 2: Oh sorry... I didn't hear the L.
Host 1: Ohhhh...... Oh okay.... and if we're talking about the same thing, I entirely agree. Burn those people.

Now, okay, the gist of that station is trying to demonize conservatives. I get it. And I can appreciate dark humor. I can appreciate shock humor sometimes. But this, joke one particular joke considering the setting of the game comes across very disturbing to me.
This interested me a bit, so I had to look up who Sean Hannity is. It turns out that he wrote a book comparing liberals to (and lumping them together with) terrorists. I don't see how it is possible to be offended by that joke while supporting someone who holds those views without having some serious cognitive dissonance. It may indeed be considered a joke in poor taste, but it is mocking homophobia. It isn't advocating it. People on mr Hannity's show have advocated it, however.

That said, those snippets of pedestrian chatter do seem to be in legitimately poor taste.
 

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While I enjoyed the flag burning joke the majority of the so called humor in the game is just idiotic. Its not offensive, racist, homophobic or misogynistic. It just uses a ton of toilet jokes and does it extremely poorly. They went way to far in that it just stopped being funny and became annoying. Its far to obvious that they were trying to make fun of all of those things that you describe it as but they just failed horribly.


If you want to hear people saying sexist, racist, and homophobic things in game seriously go play LA Noir. Hearing your partner talk about how all a women needs is a good beating got really annoying after the fifth or sixth time. Once again though much like saints row was going for idiotic humor LA Noir went for accuracy during the time period.
 

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Aren't you taking this a little bit too seriously? It's dark but it's still funny, in a cartoony sort of way. You shouldn't let it hit a nerve.
 

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IT'S ALL A JOKE.

There are good jokes and bad jokes. Bad jokes are sometimes misinterpreted as actual prejudice. That is what has happened here.

Good day.
 

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Well why are you so worked over some "sarcasm" of saints row games... In the second you get to shoot from P00p cannon... Just get that the devs hawe wery "unique" sence of humor...
 

DudeistBelieve

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Mauler said:
Well why are you so worked over some "sarcasm" of saints row games... In the second you get to shoot from P00p cannon... Just get that the devs hawe wery "unique" sence of humor...
Hey I got and enjoyed the 2nd one.

It's just replaying the 1st one now, I'm seeing a bunch of jokes that are not only offensive but are just plain not funny. And I'll never be one to say we can't have offensive humor, but the golden rule of doing such is that it better be fucking funny.