Saints Row The Third-My thoughts

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Ninmecu

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Now, we're all well aware that Saint's Row is never about the story, but unless my disk has a really lame glitch that makes half the cutscenes simply not happen, there are a lot of chunks of the story that are missing-example Gat. Johnny, ****ing, Gat. That's all I'm saying about that kettle of fish. Who's Angel? Why do I care? Why do I care if Killbane is dead/alive? Who's Zimos? Why do I care if the Dewinter Sisters end up dead or survive and lose their empire with the Morning Star Porn Ring? Kenzie's really the only one who was half assedly characterised, she's a shut in, a really, really, really REALLY sheltered shut in. She was entertaining and actualy seemed to(Albeit only loosely) take part in a fair portion of the missions. What happened to having them ride along and assist you in a way only they can? (SR2 example being Carlos ride-along with Maerrow , Gat and the Ronin(Good times) or Shaundi and Veteran Child?) Wheres the Mr. Sunshine of Saint's Row 3? Wheres a good solid **** that makes you just wanna **** **** up? They "killed" gat off screen, no funeral, only one hint at whether or not he's actually dead and the world just keeps on spinning. Shaundi's pissed the **** off for a good part of the beginning and suddenly she's cut out from the game completely, what the **** happened there? What about Oleg? He looked like fun, could've had some Tag-Team Mayhem missions with him, ride on his back while he throws cars around, keep the cops at a safe distance from him, show us he's as intelligent as he seems, claiming Kinzie is an "intellectual equal".(My appologies for the seeming inconsistency.)

As for the gameplay itself, I can be virtually invincible...Really? Don't get me wrong, I'll not soon get sick of jumping off my penthouse suite in an attempt to end it all only to realise "...**** me I can't die from falling...rofl"

I can drop all noteriety by calling Burt ****ing Reynolds, or the Abilities for gang/cop noteriety and by entering a Buiding I own?(I admit, the last one doesn't bother me that much, it's nice to see the stuff I own have a purpose, but calling it in? Come on...At least with buildings they're relatively far apart, you do have to chuck some distance to make it effective and it becomes a risk/rewards)

Unlimited Clip, this I dont mind as much, it's kindof fun to just shoot seemingly forever with explosive shells, but from a practical standpoint with SR3's noterity being decetively simple to...turn off? It kinda ruins the fun of it.

Vehicle Homie-I don't know if this is a glitch or if I owe him money or something, but 90% of the time I can't rely on him to deliver my vehicle, mind you he drives better then the SR2 one who frequently gets lost, pisses off the cops and drives off in MY Bezier, but w/e at least he's semi reliable.

No mission replay-Seriously? I mean...what was it cut for time purposes? Do you get paid money for having someone play the game from ero? Do you WANT us to sell our copy to Gamestop?

PGSERC-Real let down, by the trailers it looked awesome, like an entire side mission that could take hours, not minutes, to complete fully(Yes, FULLY) and btw, who IS Proffessor Genki? How does his show continue to exist? Where does he get his mascots? How does he get away with paying so little for what essentially amounts to a high risk/low reward hitman job?

Weapon upgrades-It sounds good on paper, in practice not so much, so I can upgrade my weapons one way, can't find secret unlocks by doing...w/e I damn well please and I'm stuck with them...So if I go with a homeing rocket launcher before I finish Guardian Angel I might just be ****ed because of the Splash Damage it deos to Kinzie's Car...Good times.


The Pros, yes, there are some.

The driving- A lot smoother, not fond of RT/LT, favor A/B so I can do on the road shooting, but since it was essentialy unnessesary I'm fine with that.

The Action Button-Appoca Fist+Random peds+Action Button, good times. STAG+Apoca Fist+Action button, OP as **** Action Button+random vehicle in Movement=Lethal, dunno if that's a glitch or working as intended, but **** me I died to it a lot.

The City itself-It's nice, expansive, new, fairly well designed, overall I can't complain.

Overall it's a good game, I do enjoy it, I probably won't clock in nearly as much time in Steelport as Stilwater due to the afformentioned complaints, but it was enjoyable while it lasted. I was ready to give it a solid 9.5 maybe more until I started playing it, then the little things added up, became big things. Overambition leads to dissapointment all around, that's why you don't pick up 5 girls in one night at the club boys, odds are good you won't get it up enough times to please em all. If I could offer my honest oppinion for Saint's Row 4...Don't half ass the story, no, this isn't GTA, but by that same token if you're going to give context for why I'm riding in a car with a tiger that continues to maul me without letting me put a bullet in it's face, you can't half ass the fact that one of the leads from the past 2 games mysteriously "dies" off screen. Also, if you're going to do foreshadowing(The guitarist) follow through with it, don't ****ing DLC it, DLC is a nice addon to the main game, don't cut corners like it's crunch time at the circle factory. PS, I ****ing love my Racist little Octopus Launcher, though some backstory on why the octopi keep appologising to Proffessor Genki would be solid.

I'll admit it reads more like a letter to the editor but w/e. Your thoughts? Are you pro-SR3 or Anti Sr3? Or just plain moot?
 

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I agree on the story portion... I was super super super pissed about what they did with Gat. I also agree with the cutscene issue. It just feels... off. Now the other stuff I'm fine with because the Game itself is freaking awesome. It's just that the storyline could have used some explaining.
 

delvin313

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Saints Row is about having fun and making a mockery of things. If you want realism, there are games for that. If you want a complete, full, detailed story, there are games for that. Normally I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10-foot pole, but SR3 is not radically different from SR2 so you should have known what the game would be like.

I think its a blast. Just don't take everything so seriously and you'll have fun with it.
 

Smertnik

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I had the same issues with the story and characters. But I'm pretty sure they could have been avoided by including more (and better) cutscenes. Just a few little cutscenes characterizing the cast would have been enough, Kinzie is a good example of that.

But oh well, I guess you can't have everything. At least the gameplay is good and everything is pretty.
 

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It is a good game overall, but there really is nothing interesting about the plot and characters to me, I absolutely loved the character interaction in 2 and was gleeful to reach the next cut scene. In 3 its like oh lame explanation of what is basically an introduction to a side mission....yawn.
And no Johnny Gat?! W.T.F?!
Seriously why does Pierce take such a large role, they got it right in the intro sequence, NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT PIERCE
 

AwkwardTurtle

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I kind of feel like this would be more appropriately placed in the user reviews section of the forums...

I haven't played the game myself, but Saints Row 2 was pretty fun. :D
 

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delvin313 said:
Saints Row is about having fun and making a mockery of things. If you want realism, there are games for that. If you want a complete, full, detailed story, there are games for that. Normally I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10-foot pole, but SR3 is not radically different from SR2 so you should have known what the game would be like.

I think its a blast. Just don't take everything so seriously and you'll have fun with it.
But saints 2 did have a great a great story with characters you do get attached to. I know I was disappointed when nobody had the same voice actors and everyone looked completely different the story was half of what I loved about the games in number 2
 

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Did anyone else notice this? Second mission in, appears for a few seconds.

There's nothing like shooting the National Guard standing on a My Little Pony reference while "You're the Best Around" plays in the background.
 

TheCowman

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aba1 said:
But saints 2 did have a great a great story with characters you do get attached to.
Eh, I'm pretty attached to my little posse. Sure, I kinda preferred Shaundi's previous look, but times have changed. The Saints are big time celebrities now, so her deciding on a new look doesn't seem that odd.

Heck, with one sing-a-long in the car, SR3 made Pierce one of my favorite characters; and I couldn't have cared less about Pierce in SR2. Kinzie and Oleg are awesome. Zimos and Angel are fun just cause their auto-tuned and Hulk Hogan respectively.

No, they never go too deep into the characters, but did they ever? What was the great SR2 characterization of Shaundi? She did a lot of drugs and dated a lot of guys. That's pretty much all you know about her. Even less with Pierce. Johnny had the only real character arc.

I'm having a blast with Saints Row 3. It has just about everything I loved from the first and second ones and throws in a butt load of new stuff that only improves things. The drift button alone has made my life an absolute joy.
 

Ninmecu

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TheCowman said:
aba1 said:
But saints 2 did have a great a great story with characters you do get attached to.
Eh, I'm pretty attached to my little posse. Sure, I kinda preferred Shaundi's previous look, but times have changed. The Saints are big time celebrities now, so her deciding on a new look doesn't seem that odd.

Heck, with one sing-a-long in the car, SR3 made Pierce one of my favorite characters; and I couldn't have cared less about Pierce in SR2. Kinzie and Oleg are awesome. Zimos and Angel are fun just cause their auto-tuned and Hulk Hogan respectively.

No, they never go too deep into the characters, but did they ever? What was the great SR2 characterization of Shaundi? She did a lot of drugs and dated a lot of guys. That's pretty much all you know about her. Even less with Pierce. Johnny had the only real character arc.

I'm having a blast with Saints Row 3. It has just about everything I loved from the first and second ones and throws in a butt load of new stuff that only improves things. The drift button alone has made my life an absolute joy.
From a purely Gameplay standpoint, it's certainly an improvement. But the individual lieutenants had actual arcs. Carlos being tortured and having to put a bullet in his face hit me, hit me hard. Poor kid wasn't meant for the life of a banger, he didn't know what he was getting himself into. But let's compare, in Saint's Row 2, you have your enemy smash his girlfriend in a Monster Truck derby, fuck his best friends hand and ruin his guitar career for ever, because he stiffed you on a deal. Johnny Gat got stabbed, Aisha was (successfully killed), the punk Shogo crashed it, we Texas buried his ass, stabbed a guy through the spine and let him burn to death. Then we've got Sons of Samedi..and Mr Sunshine...ah...Mr Sunshine...good times. Fending off a raid on Saint's HQ while being stoned about as heavily as Shaundi does on a regular weekend.

In SR3, the most Over the Top situations are your main enemy gets smashed by a several ton ball(Which btw, would've been more awesome if they followed through with you rolling the ball through Steelport fucking with the city's gang/cops and doing some real damage, seeing an actual impact. Oleg being naked was...odd, but not really standout. Being sold off a Slave could've been more interesting but I understand why it worked out that you just woke up stoned and dazed so no complaint there. Then Zombies...Why? Everything has Zombies now, it's rather forgettable. Then we have the Daedallus, which was pretty awesome. I'm honestly struggling to think of moments that stood out for me, which I realise makes me sound like a Fanboy but honestly it's not that, it's just...Forgettably bland/stale, Over ambitious overall, and to the guy who said "want a story, go play GTA" You're not helping, if you haven't played through the whole campaign you don't know how much of a disjointed mess the story really was.
 

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Kingme18 said:
I agree on the story portion... I was super super super pissed about what they did with Gat. I also agree with the cutscene issue. It just feels... off. Now the other stuff I'm fine with because the Game itself is freaking awesome. It's just that the storyline could have used some explaining.

They're probably taking a page from Lucasarts book and releasing major parts of the sgtory as "DLC"

I thought it wwas suspicious that saints row was day-one advertised with an dlc discount card.

I really wish i'd just gotten my money back when I found out about the online passes
 

Ninmecu

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8-Bit_Jack said:
Kingme18 said:
I agree on the story portion... I was super super super pissed about what they did with Gat. I also agree with the cutscene issue. It just feels... off. Now the other stuff I'm fine with because the Game itself is freaking awesome. It's just that the storyline could have used some explaining.

They're probably taking a page from Lucasarts book and releasing major parts of the sgtory as "DLC"

I thought it wwas suspicious that saints row was day-one advertised with an dlc discount card.

I really wish i'd just gotten my money back when I found out about the online passes
I almost did just that upon seeing the online pass in my game. It's usually a bad sign that they need to combat used sales with something so..benign.../sigh
 

Zack Alklazaris

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I never expected the story to be impressive. Saints Row 2 wasn't so much about the depth of the story as how the story was solved.

You want me to pay protection?
You wont give me back our territory?
Your a dick?

Fuck you! BAM BAM BAM BAM, you should of listen to me, now you die!

The End

Thats essentially all I got from the story of Saints Row 2.
 

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I played it for a couple days, and my enthusiasm went way down. It's decent, but I just can't seem to get past the fact that it's just "less" than SR2 in just about every way. Just smaller.
 

TheCowman

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Ninmecu said:
it's just...Forgettably bland/stale,
Sadly, I don't think I can offer you any constructive debate here. When someone calls Saints Row 3 bland and/or stale, it's obvious that we're both coming at it from such differing perspectives that either of us trying to convince the other would be a fruitless task.

The only difference I can postulate on would be that it sounds like you were looking for more crazy examples of gang violence and brutality. Your examples tend to lean toward the more personal interactions, so maybe this is where we differ.

I was looking for my crazy in the overall action. One of the Hitman missions required me to get maximum notoriety with a gang faction in order to get the target to appear. I did this, and since collateral damage is inevitable, I had pretty high police notoriety at the same time.

So, there was my female gangbanger, decked out in a baggy jacket with purple tie, nerd glasses and butterfly hairclips; wielding an assault rifle while armies of Syndicate, snipers in helicopters, SWAT teams, and brutes with flamethrowers all tried to tear her to ribbons. It gave me the same feeling I got in Jet Set Radio, facing down a tank with rollerblades and a spray can.

Sorry to hear it didn't strike the same chord with you, but hey, different strokes for different folks, right? Most people don't understand my love for actor Reb Brown either.
 

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Zack Alklazaris said:
I never expected the story to be impressive. Saints Row 2 wasn't so much about the depth of the story as how the story was solved.

You want me to pay protection?
You wont give me back our territory?
Your a dick?

Fuck you! BAM BAM BAM BAM, you should of listen to me, now you die!

The End

Thats essentially all I got from the story of Saints Row 2.
The problem isnt exactly the story because she is basicly what you described, its the interaction with the characters that made the "story" aspect of SR2 good. They are all well made and interact very well in cutscenes.

I still didnt played SR3 but from what I watched I can understand where these complaints are coming from.
 

Ninmecu

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TheCowman said:
Ninmecu said:
it's just...Forgettably bland/stale,
Sadly, I don't think I can offer you any constructive debate here. When someone calls Saints Row 3 bland and/or stale, it's obvious that we're both coming at it from such differing perspectives that either of us trying to convince the other would be a fruitless task.

The only difference I can postulate on would be that it sounds like you were looking for more crazy examples of gang violence and brutality. Your examples tend to lean toward the more personal interactions, so maybe this is where we differ.

I was looking for my crazy in the overall action. One of the Hitman missions required me to get maximum notoriety with a gang faction in order to get the target to appear. I did this, and since collateral damage is inevitable, I had pretty high police notoriety at the same time.

So, there was my female gangbanger, decked out in a baggy jacket with purple tie, nerd glasses and butterfly hairclips; wielding an assault rifle while armies of Syndicate, snipers in helicopters, SWAT teams, and brutes with flamethrowers all tried to tear her to ribbons. It gave me the same feeling I got in Jet Set Radio, facing down a tank with rollerblades and a spray can.

Sorry to hear it didn't strike the same chord with you, but hey, different strokes for different folks, right? Most people don't understand my love for actor Reb Brown either.
It's not the gameplay premise in the slightest, I'm rather fond of the modifications, I'd only wish I could call in my swat buddy's, tank homie, vtol homie chopper homie and backup homie all at the same time to REALLY wreck some shit. My largest complaint lies within the completely incongruent story line that seems about as well put together as a wet paper statue with q-tips. (And in regards to said hitman target, I'm having incredible difficulties doing it, given I own the entire city at 100% completion, all the gangs are gone, I only occasionally come across enemy gang bangers and I can't find any to start killing to gain that notoriety.
 

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Ninmecu said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
Kingme18 said:
I agree on the story portion... I was super super super pissed about what they did with Gat. I also agree with the cutscene issue. It just feels... off. Now the other stuff I'm fine with because the Game itself is freaking awesome. It's just that the storyline could have used some explaining.

They're probably taking a page from Lucasarts book and releasing major parts of the sgtory as "DLC"

I thought it wwas suspicious that saints row was day-one advertised with an dlc discount card.

I really wish i'd just gotten my money back when I found out about the online passes
I almost did just that upon seeing the online pass in my game. It's usually a bad sign that they need to combat used sales with something so..benign.../sigh
it isn't benign. it is a major problem with the direction of the industry. your complacency tells me you have no capacity for forethought, else you would realize that, while not a big deal in themselves, the online pass line of thinking for business will cripple us, the players, in the long run