Same-sex Relationships Mass Effect 3

[Ravnican]

As long as they're not "By the way I'm totally bisexual, you know?" like in Dragon Age 2 I'll be happy. Having them all as romance options wasn't a bad move, but it wasn't well implemented.

 

[zHellas]

I wonder who male Shep is going to be able to shack up with then. Having gone through ME2 without picking a relationship, this could be a viable option for me in the third game.

Maybe Garrus? Nah. Maybe that new guy. Adrian or whatever his name was.

 

[Undeadenemy]

Great, they made like 6 people happy and alienated 6,000. Good going there.

 

[Peteron]

So? There was some in the previous game wasn't there? If anything this is expected.

 

[Bootscooper]

Jack better be an option. I'd ditch Thane in a second for Jack.

I think it'd make sense for Jack to be bi. She mentions having sex with a girl at least once in the game. She does reject you if you're a woman and try to get closer, but still. . .

 

[Bootscooper]

Double post, sorry. Guess I'll mention that I'm glad they did this, I don't think they should have ignored it in the first two games (Kelly doesn't really count, and neither does Liara technically).

 

[Free Thinker]

As long as they don't Dragon Age 2 this thing, it'll be fine. Like Anders enjoying a fine woman and going out of his way for women, then becoming bisexual instantly. Yup. I totally buy that Bioware. If you mess this up and ruin Tali, Garrus, or any of the already awesome characters, I will hunt you down...and eat your cookies.

 

[Tony2077]

As long as they don't Dragon Age 2 this thing, it'll be fine. Like Anders enjoying a fine woman and going out of his way for women, then becoming bisexual instantly. Yup. I totally buy that Bioware. If you mess this up and ruin Tali, Garrus, or any of the already awesome characters, I will hunt you down...and eat your cookies.

not the cookies anything but those

 

[feauxx]

Jack better be an option. I'd ditch Thane in a second for Jack.

I think it'd make sense for Jack to be bi. She mentions having sex with a girl at least once in the game. She does reject you if you're a woman and try to get closer, but still. . .

I'm hoping for anyone but Jack to be honest. In mainstream media the 'lesbian chick' is usually also the 'crazy/psycho chick', so Jack would be another one of those I'm afraid.

Seriously: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PsychoLesbian

 

[Goofguy]

I just hope the romance dynamics aren't as much of a 'blanket policy' as in DA2. My male Shepard is straight and I have no problem with this same sex business as long as Bioware doesn't suddenly make all the previous female and male LIs bisexual. There is an opportunity here to flesh out some really good characters that don't have to be bisexual because it's too easy to change the character models in the sex scene.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think there has been a Dragon Age or Mass Effect party member who has been purely gay or lesbian. It just seems to indicate a lack of depth to me.

 

[Blondi3]

Here's to hoping it's Wrex! =X

 

[Aerograt]

As someone who would totally bone Garrus if I was given the chance, how is this going to work if the already established characters are pretty much confirmed to be straight? That one elf dude in Dragon Age Origins was confirmed to be gay so it worked there, but suddenly giving the option to screw all of the Mass Effect characters reguardless of their sexuality makes no sense (Unless of course we get the option to buy chloroform and bondage equipment, in which case I'll only be playing ME3 when my parents aren't home)

 

[Ian Caronia]

Tali going gay would be weird. Sorry, but it would be. Same with Garrus, Thane, ANY of the Korgan characters, Kaiden/Ashley, and Jacob (though Jacob is arguable).
_You want to know why? Because it would be awkward to have to look at dozens of rejoicing same sex gamers and have to reluctantly say, "...But that's bad writing."

It's illustrated with DA2, where in some characters were never shown as bisexual prior to the game, yet, because Bioware knows the option to choose your love interest in their games is such a big selling point, they made everyone in their mother bisexual. That's character inconsistency. That's bad writing (and kinda weird since it's not at all like real life, and considering the time period- actually scratch that last bit. Isabella is a female pirate captain in the Medieval Age. This obviously doesn't take place in any reality close to ours).

Garrus may never have said he wasn't into men, and neither did Tali say the same for women, but right off the bat you can see they're awkward enough pursuing an inter-species romance (especially poor ol' Garrus "Tight Ass" Valkarian). As for Kaiden, he already has a history of falling for the opposite sex, and Ashley is Christian. Jacob...well... I don't know, actually. Maybe you could make that work. And Thane was married. The Korgan are fertility-crazed, too, so I doubt they should even be an option to begin with (sorry Wrex fans :x ).
_Anyway, just know that altering an established character's personal preferences, and thereby altering their personality, so it can fit into the money-making "you can 'love' anyone you want" ideology is bad because it changes who they are. Plus, knowing Bioware, they'd make the newly added same sex romance options STUPIDLY OBVIOUS to where Garrus would be giving you the eye and Tali would be "accidentally" bumping her hips into yours. ...Ugh
Then again two different teams work on DA and ME so...

Not against same sex options, and if done right it's dandier than dandy! But giving fan service should only go so far. It was fine in ME2 because they wrote it to make sense and it wasn't too out of character, but any more alterations and you'll be changing characters in a direction that'll make them feel like totally different individuals (though Jack not being bisexual was odd to me...).
_You want to romance Tali or Garrus or Thane or the others? Go make an opposite sex Shepard! Shit, I know I did! I adore Tali, but who can resist Garrus? The option is there for more reasons than one, you know.

 

[feauxx]

edited the first post with some more tweets because Casey Hudson replied to some things being said here a lot:


there761 there76
@CaseyDHudson Will there be less dialogue with characters just because you don't romance with them? That was a problem with ME2.
Reply: Casey Hudson
@there761 #ME3 writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship.

TheDdevil Benjamin Bell
@CaseyDHudson You also said that there is no new love interests in ME3. So suddenly Kaiden is back to being gay and other characters? Uh-oh.
Reply: Casey Hudson
@TheDdevil I'm confident that our writing team will handle LI's in #ME3 with sophistication and preserve character continuity.

 

[Ian Caronia]

A simple fix.At the character creation screen have a sexual preference option.Let people choose how they want to role and any of the other options just wont show up in dialog.

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...BRILLIANT! Yes! That way characters don't act out of character when pursuing the story like originally planned, and those who choose to be homosexual for the third installment can find new dialogue choices with characters that would act different ONLY for THEIR playthroughs!
_IamGamer41 this is a great idea! It means more work needs to be put into the voice capture and animating processes, sure, but it really does solve the issue of continuity and fanservice all at once!

Yet I know, almost for a fact, Bioware will not do this. >: [
"It's too expensive! There's no time!"
Well maybe if you stopped bitching and wasting resources and man hours trying to make characters int he game look like the actors you hired to voice them you'd probably be able to make it. You know, if you and EA weren't also money-grubbing and decided to delay the release a bit longer. The fans would *****, but shit would they adore you forever afterwards.

 

[Indecipherable]

Please, please please don't just make every character bisexual just because someone wants to fuck a Turian or whatever. The characters should be themselves FIRST and someone's elses sex-simulator LAST. I'm all for providing romance options for all persuasions but re-inventing the whole ME team into a bisexual playboy mansion is just a ridiculous loss of immersion to me.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Lovely news. Thanks for sharing.
Personally, I do hope it's new characters (also has fingers crossed for actually gay characters a la New Vegas). I love the old characters, but if they wanted to sleep with my Shep, they probably would have said so already and not randomly turn to me years after meeting me and go "Yeah. I can try that now." xD
And I don't want the messing with personalities that are already quite well done.

I second this, but given the amount of people begging for male/male romances with Garrus I suspect Bioware will cave in and give those fans what they want.

I see Garrus as more of a "bro" than a "bromance" so I just hope they handle things in such a way that both sides can be happy.

We'll have to wait and see. To be honest, the Garrus / femShep romance was totally awkward to me, like teens trying to get it on for the first time. Did you imagine it would be like that? I can easily picture broShep with Kaidan, but if that becomes an option, it might turn out way different. And I love BioWare for what they have done so far, the diversity in connections and conversations. I trust them completely that they can do even better with more options and complexity.

New updates.

I told you so.

Garrus is officially gay. That's just great.

 

[holy_secret]

As if they'd take away Liara from my female Shep. I would LET the Reapers destroy Earth if BioWare did that. The question for me now is, who is going to be the gay male character? If it's one of the returning characters from the previous game, I'm going to be annoyed. Same reason I was annoyed when Anders suddenly became gay. I don't like it when characters are rewritten that way, especially if they were interested in Shep only when she was female. Tali being gay I can sort of accept because they hinted at it in Mass Effect 2, but that would be a stretch. Jack too, sense she admitted it, but still. Garrus, Kaiden, Thane, and Jacob? No.
Now, if a new character is gay, I have no problem with that. I did find it odd that no males were gay in Mass Effect 2 after playing Dragon Age Origins.

How is it rewriting?
Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

It's not about gay or straight. It's about them getting interested in Shep. Just because it didn't happened in a previous game doesn't make them uninterested in romancing you.
That's how I see it at least.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

Umm, yeah, actually, that's exactly what it means.

I wanted Tali to be romancable in ME1, but she wasn't and there wasn't even any chemistry. Then in ME2 they just ditched all that and crowbar'd a romance in there. I'd rather they'd stayed true to the original character.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I didn't even know that Mass Effect was purely heterosexual

It's not. There's been female-female homosexual relationships, but not male-male.

Yes, though technically no because Asari are mono-gendered. (it would make BroShep's relationship with Liara a bit gay/bi as well )

Good point. I don't get why there couldn't have been a lesbian option with Miranda and/or Jack..

well couldn't your female shep have a romance with the cerberus woman...not Miranda but the other one I can' think of her name...Kelly maybe?

Yes, Yeoman Kelly Chambers; your red haired, green eyed, personal assistant. I like to refer to her as 'The Pendulum', she can swing both ways and be totally natural doing it. If she remains as part of the cast in ME3 (provided you saved her), she would be the most logical human lesbian love interest, bar a new character. Her character is proven to be bisexual at the very least; you've had a good build up of relationship with her and she also likes you back.