Same-sex Relationships Mass Effect 3

[Zaik]

I guess he couldn't possibly be the first man who has ever had enjoyable heterosexual relationships for thirty-something years then suddenly get struck with the gay, right?

I don't really care personally, but from a story perspective it's rather odd.

Sure enough though, at least two people will quote this post and tell me I hate homosexuals, like they would know better than I do. It's kind of like the Thor movie, doesn't matter that you only find it strange that a Norse god would be black, if you don't approve you're automatically a white supremacist.

 

[secretsantaone]

It's not about gay or straight. It's about them getting interested in Shep.

It's not about their sexual orientation!

They'll take a dick in the ass for your personality!

 

[holy_secret]

Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

Umm, yeah, actually, that's exactly what it means.

I wanted Tali to be romancable in ME1, but she wasn't and there wasn't even any chemistry. Then in ME2 they just ditched all that and crowbar'd a romance in there. I'd rather they'd stayed true to the original character.

Just because something doesn't click at the beginning doesn't mean it's impossible for there to be something happening afterwards. Have you never seen it in real life?
I know people who have known each other for years, and then all of the sudden get together. Heck, even I have done this.

Is it really so strange for them to "suddenly" grow feelings for Shep?

 

[Alpha Maeko]

*biatch* *whine*

... wait, what was I doing?

Yeah, it doesn't bother me, either way. I still like Bioware and will be completing the Mass Effect trilogy on release day.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

Umm, yeah, actually, that's exactly what it means.

I wanted Tali to be romancable in ME1, but she wasn't and there wasn't even any chemistry. Then in ME2 they just ditched all that and crowbar'd a romance in there. I'd rather they'd stayed true to the original character.

Just because something doesn't click at the beginning doesn't mean it's impossible for there to be something happening afterwards. Have you never seen it in real life?
I know people who have known each other for years, and then all of the sudden get together. Heck, even I have done this.

Is it really so strange for them to "suddenly" grow feelings for Shep?

I get what you're saying, but that's not how Bioware handled the Tali romance for example. They tried to make out like Tali had always had a thing for Shepard, and (if you persue the romance) vice versa. If they had taken the time to make a new attraction develop between them over the course of ME2 then I might have bought it, but instead they tried (and failed) to convince me that this mutual attraction had always been there.

 

[holy_secret]

Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

Umm, yeah, actually, that's exactly what it means.

I wanted Tali to be romancable in ME1, but she wasn't and there wasn't even any chemistry. Then in ME2 they just ditched all that and crowbar'd a romance in there. I'd rather they'd stayed true to the original character.

Just because something doesn't click at the beginning doesn't mean it's impossible for there to be something happening afterwards. Have you never seen it in real life?
I know people who have known each other for years, and then all of the sudden get together. Heck, even I have done this.

Is it really so strange for them to "suddenly" grow feelings for Shep?

I get what you're saying, but that's not how Bioware handled the Tali romance for example. They tried to make out like Tali had always had a thing for Shepard, and (if you persue the romance) vice versa. If they had taken the time to make a new attraction develop between them over the course of ME2 then I might have bought it, but instead they tried (and failed) to convince me that this mutual attraction had always been there.

I get what you're saying as well. But I always saw it like her seeing Shep in a different light after he helps her with her trial. But now that I think about it, she actually expressed interest before that...
Hmm.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

As if they'd take away Liara from my female Shep. I would LET the Reapers destroy Earth if BioWare did that. The question for me now is, who is going to be the gay male character? If it's one of the returning characters from the previous game, I'm going to be annoyed. Same reason I was annoyed when Anders suddenly became gay. I don't like it when characters are rewritten that way, especially if they were interested in Shep only when she was female. Tali being gay I can sort of accept because they hinted at it in Mass Effect 2, but that would be a stretch. Jack too, sense she admitted it, but still. Garrus, Kaiden, Thane, and Jacob? No.
Now, if a new character is gay, I have no problem with that. I did find it odd that no males were gay in Mass Effect 2 after playing Dragon Age Origins.

How is it rewriting?
Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

It's not about gay or straight. It's about them getting interested in Shep. Just because it didn't happened in a previous game doesn't make them uninterested in romancing you.
That's how I see it at least.

You raise a good point, one that I must concede to a bit. Garrus was too bent on revenge to see anything else (I believe)--and the fact that he can be interested in you in the second game does bother me slightly--but Tali at least explains in the second game why she kept her mouth shut. That I can accept. Although, as I recall BioWare admits that they did not intend to have her as a romance option until fans asked for it, so that is rewriting. At least it's a good rewrite though. Explaining why she wasn't available in the first game.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

As long as they don't Dragon Age 2 this thing, it'll be fine. Like Anders enjoying a fine woman and going out of his way for women, then becoming bisexual instantly. Yup. I totally buy that Bioware. If you mess this up and ruin Tali, Garrus, or any of the already awesome characters, I will hunt you down...and eat your cookies.

Many, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was completely thrown by the fact that Anders was suddenly gay. Bothered the living daylights out of me.

 

[Dorian6]

Not kidding, all throughout ME1 I was convinced that Garrus was gay.

"Hey Shepherd...*looks longingly*...um nevermind"

 

[feauxx]

I guess he couldn't possibly be the first man who has ever had enjoyable heterosexual relationships for thirty-something years then suddenly get struck with the gay, right?

I don't really care personally, but from a story perspective it's rather odd.

Sure enough though, at least two people will quote this post and tell me I hate homosexuals, like they would know better than I do. It's kind of like the Thor movie, doesn't matter that you only find it strange that a Norse god would be black, if you don't approve you're automatically a white supremacist.

If your Shep is straight in your mind then yes it's could be a bit odd, so maybe you should just stick to the straight romances?

People need to remember that everybody has a different Shepard and a different experience playing the game and interacting with the characters.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Dear Garrus, I am going to have sex with you.

The end.

As am I. Time to turn my bromance into a full on romance.

 

[TitanAtlas]

Something tells me Sheperd will swing both teams.... xD

 

[Fanboy]

Garrus and Tali were not bangable in the first game, yet became so in the second game. Does this mean they were rewritten to be interested in Shep?

Umm, yeah, actually, that's exactly what it means.

I wanted Tali to be romancable in ME1, but she wasn't and there wasn't even any chemistry. Then in ME2 they just ditched all that and crowbar'd a romance in there. I'd rather they'd stayed true to the original character.

That's not rewriting, that's developing the character. Tali and Garrus' interest/disinterest in shepard was not a subject covered in the first game; There is no evidence to show they were interested in Shepard, but neither was their evidence that they were not. They obviously didn't plan the romance options ahead of time, but I think they handled including them in a believable enough way. In Tali's case, she simply has a crush on Shepard, which is perfectly reasonable for Shepard to miss. When this crush developed is pure speculation, but I doubt it was during the events of the first game. She suppressed her feelings because she did not see a way their relationship could work. Knowing she is interested in him changes the way shepard feels about her. In Garrus' case, he did not see shepard in that way until she came on to him. Even then, it's more about casual sex.

Sure they didn't plan it, and I'm sure they would have left clues in ME1 if they had, but I really don't see any major problems with the way they developed the characters.

The only thing that kinda bugs me is how Garrus and Tali had no problem shacking up with Shep while knowing about his current relationship with Liara/Kaidan/Ashley. Maybe cheating isn't a big deal for Quarians/Turians. I'm sure there will be some Jerry Springer moments in Mass Effect 3...

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I didn't even know that Mass Effect was purely heterosexual

It's not. There's been female-female homosexual relationships, but not male-male.

technically its not even that given the way there species is

While that's true about the Asari, females Shepards could also romance Kelly Chambers the yeoman in mass effect 2.

that's true so I'll give you that one

No it isn't.

This makes me rage and facepalm at the same time. Asari are monogendered so technically it's not lesbian? Come off it! Liara is a woman with blue skin and a funky hairdo. There's nothing remotely monogendered about the Asari.

Yeah, it pissed me off that you could go lesbian, but manly man Shepard isn't gay! Because the Asari are women, end of story.

 

[feauxx]

I didn't even know that Mass Effect was purely heterosexual

It's not. There's been female-female homosexual relationships, but not male-male.

technically its not even that given the way there species is

While that's true about the Asari, females Shepards could also romance Kelly Chambers the yeoman in mass effect 2.

that's true so I'll give you that one

No it isn't.

This makes me rage and facepalm at the same time. Asari are monogendered so technically it's not lesbian? Come off it! Liara is a woman with blue skin and a funky hairdo. There's nothing remotely monogendered about the Asari.

Yeah, it pissed me off that you could go lesbian, but manly man Shepard isn't gay! Because the Asari are women, end of story.

Women who can get each other pregnant.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I didn't even know that Mass Effect was purely heterosexual

It's not. There's been female-female homosexual relationships, but not male-male.

technically its not even that given the way there species is

While that's true about the Asari, females Shepards could also romance Kelly Chambers the yeoman in mass effect 2.

that's true so I'll give you that one

No it isn't.

This makes me rage and facepalm at the same time. Asari are monogendered so technically it's not lesbian? Come off it! Liara is a woman with blue skin and a funky hairdo. There's nothing remotely monogendered about the Asari.

Yeah, it pissed me off that you could go lesbian, but manly man Shepard isn't gay! Because the Asari are women, end of story.

Women who can get each other pregnant.

My point was that they look and speak like women. Bioware can throw up the "technically they aren't" defense, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. I was just pointing out that it was wrong to allow a lesbian relationship, but not a male homosexual one.

 

[Choppaduel]

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck.

Unless its a robot, or a projection, or a hallucination, or....

Anyways, I'm glad to see more breadth, hopefully the depth won't be sacrificed much.

But if they bring back the planet scanning, no amount of gay sex will get me to play the game lol.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck.

Unless its a robot, or a projection, or a hallucination, or....

You mean a robot duck. Or a projection of a duck. Or an hallucinated duck.
Perception is reality. It's still a duck.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

What sense does it make to give Shepard a choice to be gay now? Did he suddenly discover he was gay between games? Hell, I want DLC to see how that happened!

It's kinda silly to change it now. I remember Bioware saying that giving players the opportunity to make a homosexual Shepard doesn't fit with the character they had in mind. Someone's being inconsistent...

You mean a robot duck. Or a projection of a duck. Or an hallucinated duck.
Perception is reality. It's still a duck.

Then I declare myself to be the Emperor of the Omega System Republic. Also, the acid just kicked in and you all look like giraffes to me, therefore you really ARE giraffes!!!