Samus's new kicks

[Erttheking]

why am i losing my time with a social justice warrior? believe what you want, but let me tell you, theres no reason for kratos to not wear any sort of armor either, or atleast a t-shirt an some pants


im sure theres sexism in gaming, there is in every other media as well, but you couldnt have picked a worse example

also i literally cant see her ass in OP's image, in fact as a male i find this outrageous, im gonna tell the patriarchy!

You lose credibility when you open your argument with name calling. Also a worse example? How is the addition of high heels to a suit that she is supposed to wear while interfacing with her power armor for no logical reason other than she is a woman and high heels are attractive NOT an example of sexism? And the rocket boots aren't a good justification, because as I said in an earlier post, Haloid managed to make more respectable rocket boots than that, and that ended with a sexy dance!

i shouldnt have called him names, regardless its not the high heels, which i agree are out of place, but his criticism of the zero suit itself, which honestly are getting ridiculous, are women now not allowed to show any part of her body for any reasn whatsoever?

that the kind of attitude that really annoys me

specially when the same rule doesnt seem to apply to men

He isn't criticizing the design for it simply being sexualized, he is criticizing it for being sexualized and it making no sense at all within the context of the suit and clashing with the tone of the Metroid universe and that is the problem with so many instances of sexualizes characters. The characters of RWBY are sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the tone of the RWBY universe. Bayonetta is sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the overall goofy nature of her world and the sexually dominant nature of her personality. Poison Ivy is sexualized, but it works, why? Because her approach to problems involves seducing men and therefore it would make sense that she dresses skimpily. Samus having high heels when she is a professional career bounty hunter in a consistently serious setting where no one else dresses like that makes no sense whatsoever. THAT is what is pissing people off.

But super smash bros is an incredibly goofy game. I would understand if people were getting pissed if these things were in a legitimate metroid game, but they're not. They are part of a fighting game that has nothing to do with the canon of the series.

I would've considered that a valid explanation if it wasn't for the fact the first three smash bros games managed to get by without giving Samus high heels and this one doesn't feel the need to be giving any of the other female characters high heels, or sexualizing any of the male characters in anyway. Heck, even the Zero Suit introduced in Brawl managed to get by with her having realistic looking shoes.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/1/10/Zero_Suit_Samus_SSBB.jpg

And this is the first game that Samus is appearing in after Metroid Other M. People are still sore about that and this is NOT Nindento's best foot forward after the trainwreck that that was.

 

[New Frontiersman]

I can't help but think that Nintendo is just pandering to male audiences now with Samus and wouldn't be surprised if in a few years they changed her design to expose her midriff, gave her a skirt and added a plunging neckline Chozo armor be damned.

Nintendo already beat you to it!

Here's the best ending to the original Metroid, the one you get by beating the game in under an hour:

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Here's the best ending for Metroid 2:

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Here we have the one for Super Metroid:

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Here's a collection of the endings for Metroid Fusion:

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And here's two of the good endings from Metroid Zero Mission:

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Soo... while they didn't give her a skirt, they did expose her midriff, and depending on the game gave her either short shorts or a bikini bottom, and she sometimes had a plunging neck line.

So, Yeah... Nintendo has pretty much been sexualizing Samus since the beginning, although it used to be that you only got to see "sexy Samus" as a reward for beating the game fast enough rather than that being her default look like it is with Zero Suit Samus in Smash Bros. Which I suppose makes it worse really, what with Nintendo pretty much offering up increasingly more scantily clad images of Samus as a reward.

But yeah, I don't really the heels, even from a non-sexual perspective they're impractical as combat wear and Nintendo could have given her rocket jumps without being so blatantly pandering. Honestly I'm not that fond of heels in general, they're really bad for the foot and cause all sorts of problems if you wear them too often or for too long.

Plus, in my opinion they clash with the rest of her outfit, as do her bracelets, really. Not that has anything to do with anything, I just thought I'd point it out.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Can you, in anyway tell me any advantage she has with these heels over salvaging her boots from her power armor? They're preequipped with double/higher jumping, are made of metal and can kick harder, and don't have the negative effects of heels: Lower grip, higher risk of breaking an ankle, lower balance.

If the rest of the power armor isn't working for whatever reason, I'd posit she couldn't materialize the boots either.

Also, I doubt futuristic space heels work the same as regular ones. So we don't know if those negative effects even apply.

 

[Erttheking]

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You do make a fair point there, but I would argue that that "Better is not good". In other words, yeah arguably her treatment was even worse in the past in some ways, but that doesn't excuse present slightly less sleazy treatments. It's true that boob sockets were kinda stupid, but I'd argue that they're less stupid than high heels because at least you can fight in a outfit with boob sockets, whereas high heels will actively get in your way.

I think the reason most people don't think about the previous sexualizations of Samus is that they only took up 1% of the game. They only showed up during death scenes or ending cutscenes. For the majority of the game she was a badass in power armor going around and kicking ass, and in the case of Fusion, telling her corrupt bosses where they could stick it. Not to mention that the implication with the Zero Suit was that it wasn't proper combat gear, but something that was worn under her power armor that allowed her to interface with it properly. Heck, Zero Mission portrayed it as a situation where she was vulnerably and stranded in enemy territory because her ship had been shot down and she was stuck with it because she had taken off her power suit after getting on the ship. It also fit in with Brawl because it was used after her power armor overloaded and fell off.

The problem with the heels this time around is that A. they're put much more on display than any more sexualizations where in the pass B. they're being portrayed as a default state of being as opposed to an emergency combat or a non-combat form and C. no one else in the game is getting this kind of treatment.

Overall though, I think this is a case of being the straw that broke the camel's back. After all, this is Samus' first appearance after the fiasco that was Other M. People are still pissed over how Samus got screwed over in that game, and with this being the first thing Nintendo churns out after that is most likely implying to a lot of people that they just don't care about the character. It probably doesn't help that a lot of people forgot about the sexualization in earlier games because of the Metroid Prime trilogy, which many consider not only to be the high point of the series, but had next to no sexualization of Samus at all. I think a lot of people (Myself included) are longing for another Prime game and how Samus was portrayed there. So yeah, in reality people probably see this as nintendo taking a step backwards. We went from a bit of sexualization in early games, to no sexualization in Prime, to...this.

 

[Riot3000]

The heels on Samus just don't make sense for her as a character or even practicality for that matter. These are not the "stirrup heels" worn by calvary men way back when these about to go to the club pumps lets be real here rockets or not.

I mean the zero suit can fly sure is all form fitting and all that but it makes sense to have a light weight breathable material under heavy armor for example like an NFL player wearing an underarmor shirt under his pads.

The heels to be honest are just silly and out of place for Samus sure she has been "pandered" before but really this is overkill.

Also I am I the only one upset they did not keep Samus as a red head?

 

[lord canti]

why am i losing my time with a social justice warrior? believe what you want, but let me tell you, theres no reason for kratos to not wear any sort of armor either, or atleast a t-shirt an some pants


im sure theres sexism in gaming, there is in every other media as well, but you couldnt have picked a worse example

also i literally cant see her ass in OP's image, in fact as a male i find this outrageous, im gonna tell the patriarchy!

You lose credibility when you open your argument with name calling. Also a worse example? How is the addition of high heels to a suit that she is supposed to wear while interfacing with her power armor for no logical reason other than she is a woman and high heels are attractive NOT an example of sexism? And the rocket boots aren't a good justification, because as I said in an earlier post, Haloid managed to make more respectable rocket boots than that, and that ended with a sexy dance!

i shouldnt have called him names, regardless its not the high heels, which i agree are out of place, but his criticism of the zero suit itself, which honestly are getting ridiculous, are women now not allowed to show any part of her body for any reasn whatsoever?

that the kind of attitude that really annoys me

specially when the same rule doesnt seem to apply to men

He isn't criticizing the design for it simply being sexualized, he is criticizing it for being sexualized and it making no sense at all within the context of the suit and clashing with the tone of the Metroid universe and that is the problem with so many instances of sexualizes characters. The characters of RWBY are sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the tone of the RWBY universe. Bayonetta is sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the overall goofy nature of her world and the sexually dominant nature of her personality. Poison Ivy is sexualized, but it works, why? Because her approach to problems involves seducing men and therefore it would make sense that she dresses skimpily. Samus having high heels when she is a professional career bounty hunter in a consistently serious setting where no one else dresses like that makes no sense whatsoever. THAT is what is pissing people off.

But super smash bros is an incredibly goofy game. I would understand if people were getting pissed if these things were in a legitimate metroid game, but they're not. They are part of a fighting game that has nothing to do with the canon of the series.

I would've considered that a valid explanation if it wasn't for the fact the first three smash bros games managed to get by without giving Samus high heels and this one doesn't feel the need to be giving any of the other female characters high heels, or sexualizing any of the male characters in anyway. Heck, even the Zero Suit introduced in Brawl managed to get by with her having realistic looking shoes.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/1/10/Zero_Suit_Samus_SSBB.jpg

And this is the first game that Samus is appearing in after Metroid Other M. People are still sore about that and this is NOT Nindento's best foot forward after the trainwreck that that was.

I think that the introduction scene of Samus in brawl was way to sexualized with the way the camera went up her body. Anyway none of that changes the fatc that smash bros is a goofy game. You said so yourself that her wearing heels in such a serious setting is what pissing people off. Also, while she has always worn heels, Peach is another female character that runs around and fights in heels. Look' I see where people are coming from with this and if this was in an actual metroid game I'd be right beside everyone else, but this is her model in a game that has no canon value what so ever. Though I will give you that Nintendo didn't sexualize any of the male characters.

 

[Nazulu]

Soo... while they didn't give her a skirt, they did expose her midriff, and depending on the game gave her either short shorts or a bikini bottom, and she sometimes had a plunging neck line.

So, Yeah... Nintendo's pretty much been sexualizing Samus since the beginning, although it used to be that you only got to see "sexy Samus" as a reward for beating the game fast enough rather than that being her default look. Which I suppose makes it worse really, what with Nintendo offering up Samus' sexuality as a reward.

But yeah, I don't really the heels, even from a non-sexual perspective they're impractical as combat wear and Nintendo could have given her rocket jumps without being so blatantly pandering.

How can it be worse when it couldn't even be a selling point back then? 90% of people believed it was a guy called Metroid, and that was still what most people thought till Brawl it seems. And it's not like any of those images are offensive, you couldn't be fully clothed under the suit, though I remember she wore a dress when she died in Super Metroid.

I liked Metroid Primes reward the most. The realistic look is what made her unique to the other Nintendo characters, to me any way. Then they brought in this boring predictably sexy smug anime look, which just annoy's me.

 

[Erttheking]

why am i losing my time with a social justice warrior? believe what you want, but let me tell you, theres no reason for kratos to not wear any sort of armor either, or atleast a t-shirt an some pants


im sure theres sexism in gaming, there is in every other media as well, but you couldnt have picked a worse example

also i literally cant see her ass in OP's image, in fact as a male i find this outrageous, im gonna tell the patriarchy!

You lose credibility when you open your argument with name calling. Also a worse example? How is the addition of high heels to a suit that she is supposed to wear while interfacing with her power armor for no logical reason other than she is a woman and high heels are attractive NOT an example of sexism? And the rocket boots aren't a good justification, because as I said in an earlier post, Haloid managed to make more respectable rocket boots than that, and that ended with a sexy dance!

i shouldnt have called him names, regardless its not the high heels, which i agree are out of place, but his criticism of the zero suit itself, which honestly are getting ridiculous, are women now not allowed to show any part of her body for any reasn whatsoever?

that the kind of attitude that really annoys me

specially when the same rule doesnt seem to apply to men

He isn't criticizing the design for it simply being sexualized, he is criticizing it for being sexualized and it making no sense at all within the context of the suit and clashing with the tone of the Metroid universe and that is the problem with so many instances of sexualizes characters. The characters of RWBY are sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the tone of the RWBY universe. Bayonetta is sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the overall goofy nature of her world and the sexually dominant nature of her personality. Poison Ivy is sexualized, but it works, why? Because her approach to problems involves seducing men and therefore it would make sense that she dresses skimpily. Samus having high heels when she is a professional career bounty hunter in a consistently serious setting where no one else dresses like that makes no sense whatsoever. THAT is what is pissing people off.

But super smash bros is an incredibly goofy game. I would understand if people were getting pissed if these things were in a legitimate metroid game, but they're not. They are part of a fighting game that has nothing to do with the canon of the series.

I would've considered that a valid explanation if it wasn't for the fact the first three smash bros games managed to get by without giving Samus high heels and this one doesn't feel the need to be giving any of the other female characters high heels, or sexualizing any of the male characters in anyway. Heck, even the Zero Suit introduced in Brawl managed to get by with her having realistic looking shoes.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/1/10/Zero_Suit_Samus_SSBB.jpg

And this is the first game that Samus is appearing in after Metroid Other M. People are still sore about that and this is NOT Nindento's best foot forward after the trainwreck that that was.

I think that the introduction scene of Samus in brawl was way to sexualized with the way the camera went up her body. Anyway none of that changes the fatc that smash bros is a goofy game. You said so yourself that her wearing heels in such a serious setting is what pissing people off. Also, while she has always worn heels, Peach is another female character that runs around and fights in heels. Look' I see where people are coming from with this and if this was in an actual metroid game I'd be right beside everyone else, but this is her model in a game that has no canon value what so ever. Though I will give you that Nintendo didn't sexualize any of the male characters.

Not exactly, the storyline from Brawl attempted to be rather serious what with there being WMDs, the genocide of an entire race, and a rather menacing enemy. And did Brawl fuck up Samus too? Yeah, probably, but that doesn't make what it did here any less sleazy. Also Samus always wears heels? False. Factually incorrect. And yes Peach wears heels...here's the thing though. Peach is commonly hated by a lot of people because she's viewed as useless, ditzy, someone who just has to be rescued over and over again, and overall is rarely proactive. And her move set in the brawl games usually involves using vegetables, frying pans, and her ass. Is that really the type of person we should be putting on the same level as Samus Aran, whose daily routine involves blowing up planets and stopping space pirates from using biological weapons of war? And whose move set included not her own posterior, but energy blasts, missiles and bombs? That's the thing about Smash Bros, while it is rather goofy with the way that so many games are coming together, they stay loyal to the various games. Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?

Also, I couldn't help but notice that Zelda, someone who is usually viewed in a much more positive light than Peach, with people usually seeing her as regal, more proactive and much more competent, managed to get away without high heels.

 

[Coakle]

Bayonetta palette swap for Zero Suit Samus confirmed? Zero Suit Samus already fights with a whip and uses a gun. She's also tall enough to pull-off. So that's going to be pretty cool.

I'm OK with Samus having goofy heels, if this happens. After all Super Smash has never taken itself that seriously.

 

[MoeMints]

Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?
\

Wario is not faithful to his Wario Land mechanics at all.
Ganondorf is just a Captain Falcon clone and uses none of his actual techniques except the final smash.
And in extension, Captain Falcon is a Kamen Rider parody like Skullomania (SFEX), May Lee (KOF), and Viewtiful Joe, than anything he does in his games.
Sonic had none of his modernized melee stuff like a STRAIGHT LINE homing attack, the Sonic Battle moves, or any decent kicks while running.
Star Fox's cast does not have ninjitsu in their games.
Luigi is just a goofy Mario than actually based on anything he's done individually.
etc

 

[lord canti]

why am i losing my time with a social justice warrior? believe what you want, but let me tell you, theres no reason for kratos to not wear any sort of armor either, or atleast a t-shirt an some pants


im sure theres sexism in gaming, there is in every other media as well, but you couldnt have picked a worse example

also i literally cant see her ass in OP's image, in fact as a male i find this outrageous, im gonna tell the patriarchy!

You lose credibility when you open your argument with name calling. Also a worse example? How is the addition of high heels to a suit that she is supposed to wear while interfacing with her power armor for no logical reason other than she is a woman and high heels are attractive NOT an example of sexism? And the rocket boots aren't a good justification, because as I said in an earlier post, Haloid managed to make more respectable rocket boots than that, and that ended with a sexy dance!

i shouldnt have called him names, regardless its not the high heels, which i agree are out of place, but his criticism of the zero suit itself, which honestly are getting ridiculous, are women now not allowed to show any part of her body for any reasn whatsoever?

that the kind of attitude that really annoys me

specially when the same rule doesnt seem to apply to men

He isn't criticizing the design for it simply being sexualized, he is criticizing it for being sexualized and it making no sense at all within the context of the suit and clashing with the tone of the Metroid universe and that is the problem with so many instances of sexualizes characters. The characters of RWBY are sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the tone of the RWBY universe. Bayonetta is sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the overall goofy nature of her world and the sexually dominant nature of her personality. Poison Ivy is sexualized, but it works, why? Because her approach to problems involves seducing men and therefore it would make sense that she dresses skimpily. Samus having high heels when she is a professional career bounty hunter in a consistently serious setting where no one else dresses like that makes no sense whatsoever. THAT is what is pissing people off.

But super smash bros is an incredibly goofy game. I would understand if people were getting pissed if these things were in a legitimate metroid game, but they're not. They are part of a fighting game that has nothing to do with the canon of the series.

I would've considered that a valid explanation if it wasn't for the fact the first three smash bros games managed to get by without giving Samus high heels and this one doesn't feel the need to be giving any of the other female characters high heels, or sexualizing any of the male characters in anyway. Heck, even the Zero Suit introduced in Brawl managed to get by with her having realistic looking shoes.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/1/10/Zero_Suit_Samus_SSBB.jpg

And this is the first game that Samus is appearing in after Metroid Other M. People are still sore about that and this is NOT Nindento's best foot forward after the trainwreck that that was.

I think that the introduction scene of Samus in brawl was way to sexualized with the way the camera went up her body. Anyway none of that changes the fatc that smash bros is a goofy game. You said so yourself that her wearing heels in such a serious setting is what pissing people off. Also, while she has always worn heels, Peach is another female character that runs around and fights in heels. Look' I see where people are coming from with this and if this was in an actual metroid game I'd be right beside everyone else, but this is her model in a game that has no canon value what so ever. Though I will give you that Nintendo didn't sexualize any of the male characters.

Not exactly, the storyline from Brawl attempted to be rather serious what with there being WMDs, the genocide of an entire race, and a rather menacing enemy. And did Brawl fuck up Samus too? Yeah, probably, but that doesn't make what it did here any less sleazy. Also Samus always wears heels? False. Factually incorrect. And yes Peach wears heels...here's the thing though. Peach is commonly hated by a lot of people because she's viewed as useless, ditzy, someone who just has to be rescued over and over again, and overall is rarely proactive. And her move set in the brawl games usually involves using vegetables, frying pans, and her ass. Is that really the type of person we should be putting on the same level as Samus Aran, whose daily routine involves blowing up planets and stopping space pirates from using biological weapons of war? And whose move set included not her own posterior, but energy blasts, missiles and bombs? That's the thing about Smash Bros, while it is rather goofy with the way that so many games are coming together, they stay loyal to the various games. Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?

Also, I couldn't help but notice that Zelda, someone who is usually viewed in a much more positive light than Peach, with people usually seeing her as regal, more proactive and much more competent, managed to get away without high heels.

and zero suit samus still uses her pistol and her agility. Also, I never said Samus has always worn heels. I understand why people are upset about this, but I still say people are overreacting to the whole thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the better portrayal of women in gaming and in media in general, but it seems like unless the character is reasonably dress, realistic proportioned, not to pretty, but not to ugly and has no emotion what so ever they are labeled as a bad character(and yes I'm over exaggerating).

 

[Erttheking]

Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?
\

Wario is not faithful to his Wario Land mechanics at all.
Ganondorf is just a Captain Falcon clone and uses none of his actual techniques except the final smash.
And in extension, Captain Falcon is a Kamen Rider parody like Skullomania (SFEX), May Lee (KOF), and Viewtiful Joe, than anything he does in his games.
Sonic had none of his modernized melee stuff like a STRAIGHT LINE homing attack, the Sonic Battle moves, or any decent kicks while running.
Star Fox's cast does not have ninjitsu in their games.
Luigi is just a goofy Mario than actually based on anything he's done individually.
etc

And yet, funnily enough, they manage to stay loyal to the overall tone of the characters. For some reason they struggle to do it with Samus.

 

[Erttheking]

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Two things that just don't mix with high heels. My bad. No, it's a bad character when a person isn't any of those things for anything other for the sake of titillation. Is it too much to ask for it to make sense and fit the character?

 

[MoeMints]

Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?
\

Wario is not faithful to his Wario Land mechanics at all.
Ganondorf is just a Captain Falcon clone and uses none of his actual techniques except the final smash.
And in extension, Captain Falcon is a Kamen Rider parody like Skullomania (SFEX), May Lee (KOF), and Viewtiful Joe, than anything he does in his games.
Sonic had none of his modernized melee stuff like a STRAIGHT LINE homing attack, the Sonic Battle moves, or any decent kicks while running.
Star Fox's cast does not have ninjitsu in their games.
Luigi is just a goofy Mario than actually based on anything he's done individually.
etc

And yet, funnily enough, they manage to stay loyal to the overall tone of the characters. For some reason they struggle to do it with Samus.

Samus has no "tone" outside Other M since that's (sadly) the only time she has any individual perspective you wouldn't have with Generic Super Soldier #10 if he had a gap instead of a pole downstairs.

She has about as much worth as a non-avatar as the Valve silent protagonists.

Funny enough, DOA characters have way more sense of individuality than her yet people pretend Team Ninja's work made the game awful. (I mean it would have been mediocre and oddly sexualized, but hardly an insult to anyone not as crazy as the "SONIC'S EYES ARE GREEN NOW" fanboys)

 

[lord canti]

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Two things that just don't mix with high heels. My bad. No, it's a bad character when a person isn't any of those things for anything other for the sake of titillation. Is it too much to ask for it to make sense and fit the character?

When you put it that way I see your point. There is really no reason why they couldn't have given her more sensible rocket boots as the heels are just there for the sake of titillation even more so since they stick out so obviously. It still doesn't bother me that much though, but I have a better understanding of your point of view.

BTW really appreciate being able to have this conversation with you with out it getting nasty and disrespectful.

 

[TreuloseTomate]

I don't know why there is a Zero-Suit version of her in the first place. If I remember correctly, the origin of that Suit is from Zero Mission (GBA), and the entire point of that section of the game was, that she is very weak and has to be stealthy to avoid the space pirates. Fighting without her Varia Suit makes no sense at all. But this game won't be better than Melee anyway, so just play that game and be happy.

 

[mecegirl]

The zero suit never bothered me. Some sort of under armor would be needed for her suit and it looks like it would work better than the two pieces she has been depicted in in the past. The poses that they put her in are randomly sexulized at times though.

As for the heels, always a bad idea for a chracter of her type. They are also ugly as sin.

The idea of her fighting in zero suit when she has a much better alternative seems dumb to me, but I know why it was included.

But those heels. Like seriously.
Not only are they impractical, they are hideous.

The fighting in her under armor thing is stupid. It's right in the name... under armor. Its what you wear under your armor to help keep you warm, pad your armor out, and protect your skin from the rough metal. It shouldn't be weaponized at all.

 

[Phasmal]

The fighting in her under armor thing is stupid. It's right in the name... under armor. Its what you wear under your armor to help keep you warm, pad your armor out, and protect your skin from the rough metal. It shouldn't be weaponized at all.

Well obviously. I just said I know why it was included.
It was included because people wanted to look at Samus without her armour on.

And maybe if I'm feeling generous because they wanted to show it wasn't just the suit that made Samus awesome but yeah I think we all know why it was put in.

 

[lord canti]

I don't know why there is a Zero-Suit version of her in the first place. If I remember correctly, the origin of that Suit is from Zero Mission (GBA), and the entire point of that section of the game was, that she is very weak and has to be stealthy to avoid the space pirates. Fighting without her Varia Suit makes no sense at all. But this game won't be better than Melee anyway, so just play that game and be happy.

actually even with out her suit Samus is a force to be reckoned with. Due to her training with the Chozo, her abilities are far superior to any normal human, it's just when she is up against super strong and armored space pirates she is weak.

 

[Erttheking]

Mario shoots fireballs, Link shoots arrows, Solid Snake uses modern weapons, Sonic uses Chaos Emeralds, Donkey Kong uses bongos and Game and Watch is Game and Watch. Why is it that Samus is getting such bizarre changes when no one else is getting them?
\

Wario is not faithful to his Wario Land mechanics at all.
Ganondorf is just a Captain Falcon clone and uses none of his actual techniques except the final smash.
And in extension, Captain Falcon is a Kamen Rider parody like Skullomania (SFEX), May Lee (KOF), and Viewtiful Joe, than anything he does in his games.
Sonic had none of his modernized melee stuff like a STRAIGHT LINE homing attack, the Sonic Battle moves, or any decent kicks while running.
Star Fox's cast does not have ninjitsu in their games.
Luigi is just a goofy Mario than actually based on anything he's done individually.
etc

And yet, funnily enough, they manage to stay loyal to the overall tone of the characters. For some reason they struggle to do it with Samus.

Samus has no "tone" outside Other M since that's (sadly) the only time she has any individual perspective you wouldn't have with Generic Super Soldier #10 if he had a gap instead of a pole downstairs.

She has about as much worth as a non-avatar as the Valve silent protagonists.

Funny enough, DOA characters have way more sense of individuality than her yet people pretend Team Ninja's work made the game awful. (I mean it would have been mediocre and oddly sexualized, but hardly an insult to anyone not as crazy as the "SONIC'S EYES ARE GREEN NOW" fanboys)

Untrue. Completely untrue. She conveyed personality plenty of times in the games. The way she spared the metroid hatchling, the way that she idly waved to U-Mos after saving his entire race, the way that she closed the eyes of a dead Marine in Echoes 2, to her monologues in Fusion on her relationship with Adam and how she defied her superiors in the name of doing what was right, and her anger and actions at the death of her allies in Metroid Prime 3 corruption. Just because they weren't shoved down our throats, doesn't mean they didn't exist. She actually talked in Fusion and conveyed a lot of personality. No offense, but it seems like you're not that familiar with the character.