Satanism: Misunderstood

[Diablini]

Religion is an idea itself, I'm glad somebody understands it. The Bible isn't a historical book, it's a story book disigned to change people to be good. Buy it man!

Good in what way? Half of its stone your unruly children, gays are an abomination, god having pissing contests with himself, oh murder your son by the way "oh you were about to I was just jokin' but good man for playing along"

And wonderful advice like invest not in things as god will provide you with all you need, thats absolutley horrible advice.

Have you actually read it or are you taking the media's stand on it. NOTHING is written about gays, I have no idea what you meant with the pissing contests, and the "murder your son" part is the part I hate about it. But half of the stories aren't based on the "listen and obey" thing and you can learn something from them, also you are taking the don't invest thing too literraly. It doesn't mean just sleep, eat, and sit in a chair, it means that those who follow the path of the good are going to live by his protection. Which isn't nesesarilly true.

 

[TotallyFake]

If you read the Bible, you'll see that God...

1) accepts human sacrifice
2) drowns the whole world except for a dude and his family
3) controls people's minds and punishes them for their actions (God "hardening" the Pharoah's heart)
4) makes bears eat kids because the kids made fun of a guy's baldness (no, really)
5) burns cities to the ground because they had some gay prostitutes in them
6) says "you can beat your slave as hard as you want so long as he doesn't die" (pretty much an exact quote)
... and so on.

The Bible doesn't really give any specific instances of Satan doing anything bad (The Bible doesn't say that Satan convinced Eve to eat the fruit, it was just a talking snake with legs).

Not sure where you're quoting 6 from.
Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant?s tooth, or his maidservant?s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth?s sake.

You can however beat people as much as you like as long as you don't cause injury. And if you do injure them (provided it isn't permanent) you don't have to do anything other than pay them for their downtime as they recover. Go Moses!

The rest of it's all fine though, the Old Testament is worryingly psychotic. The bit with Phaoroah is made even more disturbing on reading the story of Joseph (the one with the coat) and how it's his predictions of the famine that allows Egypt to become so rich and powerful. Something of a lack of foresight there.

 

[Sulu]

There is a Christian Preacher in my local town, this is really odd because in the UK we aren't that anal about religion. Anyway he makes a point of telling everyone that we are going to hell - what a nice Christian fellow he is - and that science has done nothing for us.

My point is that if you follow a religion that much that it dictates your life, whether it be Christianity, Odinism or Satanism, then you are a complete tool and need to stop wasting your life.

 

[Rhayn]

Much like Christianity, Satanism suffers from people misinterprating the whole idea. Cults and soforth. I always take a few minutes to explain that to people who think Satanism is about sacrifing goats and drinking virgin blood.

I still think that in the purest form, Satanism is probably the best code to live by, if you are to live by any code. I found it rather ironic, though, that they preach freedom and then have a set of rules to follow. Though most of them are basically what should come naturally to people.

 

[Undeadpope]

Religion is an idea itself, I'm glad somebody understands it. The Bible isn't a historical book, it's a story book disigned to change people to be good. Buy it man!

in a rather violent and sex ridden way
"whoremonger"
That word was in there somewhere but I never read the whole thing as that would go agaisnt my own personal religion which is based on the possibility of everything

 

[Diablini]

Religion is an idea itself, I'm glad somebody understands it. The Bible isn't a historical book, it's a story book disigned to change people to be good. Buy it man!

in a rather violent and sex ridden way
"whoremonger"
That word was in there somewhere but I never read the whole thing as that would go agaisnt my own personal religion which is based on the possibility of everything

You mean warmonger, right?

 

[Undeadpope]

You mean warmonger, right?

I am almost sure it was whoremonger buggery if I can remember where but it was something to do with hell if I am not mistaken but I remember thinking "Surely that should be WARmonger" but I am going to try find this out for the sake of proving I havent totally lost it just yet.

 

[Helnurath]

LOL! This is the first thread Ive seen on Satanism on the Escapist.
I would go into an all out explantion, but our High Priest can do a much more better job of explaining it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfUhoHc-HB8

IF you have any specific questions about us, feel free to ask me in a PM.

 

[Helnurath]

More information about Satanists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6orhXL7_vr8&feature=related (start at 5:00)

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html (Theory and Practice)

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

 

[Gladion]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

*snip

5) More the fact that they had prostitutes and were essentially moral-free havens for evil.

I thought it was because they wanted to rape an angel or something.
Hm. I can't remember.

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

It is if you are sincere in wanting not to be hateful or angry (while anger and hate can be a good motivating factor in say beating that other guy in COD4, it does not really work well in the real world, its better to do the ritual and move on then stay angry and waste time or energy on things and people that are not worth it). I myself have done it a number of times. Its like anger management, but you get to burn stuff. Satanists will never go out and say kill someone for cutting them off in traffic or something, but if we do our ritual and something bad happens to said person, do not expect us to feel bad or care. Whether we like it or not, we can't just go out and kill people to avenge ourselves, how does being in jail help us live our lives to the fullest? I think Boondock Saints sums it up best "Do not kill, Do not steal, these are codes by which all men of all faiths can live by"

 

[Gladion]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

It is if you are sincere in wanting not to be hateful or angry (while anger and hate can be a good motivating factor in say beating that other guy in COD4, it does not really work well in the real world, its better to do the ritual and move on then stay angry and waste time or energy on things and people that are not worth it). I myself have done it a number of times. Its like anger management, but you get to burn stuff. Satanists will never go out and say kill someone for cutting them off in traffic or something, but if we do our ritual and something bad happens to said person, do not expect us to feel bad or care. Whether we like it or not, we can't just go out and kill people to avenge ourselves, how does being in jail help us live our lives to the fullest? I think Boondock Saints sums it up best "Do not kill, Do not steal, these are codes by which all men of all faiths can live by"

I see your point, but then there's people like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Nödtveidt who prove me that there are people who can absolutely not handle this. It seems like a nice deal if everybody was sane in their mind, but that is not the case. If you do not harm anyone, I can respect what you do, but I don't think it's a religion that is very well suited for the masses.
Of course, Nödtveidt was no fan of the Church of Satan, but I think you get my point.

 

[Angerwing]

What if all us Christians are RIGHT? Where does that leave you?

Okay then, say I become a Christian. Then what if it is the Muslims who are right? Where does that leave me?

Pascal's Wager is an interesting construction but flawed. It is just as likely that Christianity is the ultimate form of blasphemy than Satanism is. We simply do not know.

If you become a Christian and the Muslims were right (hypothetically) then at worst you are in the same position you would have been had you remained an agnostic or whatever you are. So what do you lose in the grand scheme of things? As I have said before if you die an Agnostic or Atheist then no matter who is right you are not going to benefit from it. So with that in mind its really kind of stupid...for lack of a better word...to argue "what if Christianity is wrong?" Even if it were wrong then it still doesn't change the fact that so are you.

Actually, as far as I am aware, if you are a Christian and the Muslims are right, you will go to heaven. Most people fail to understand that in Islam, God=Allah=Yahweh.

The Muslim, Christian and Jewish god is the same God according to Islam. Mohammed said that Christians and Jews should be all G in the eyes of the lord.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't join a religion just to hedge my bets of getting into heaven. I think if there is a God, and on judgement day he judges everyone, he wouldn't be taking the Christians first. Choosing who gets into heaven on some bullshit call of faith isn't really Godly, and if it is, then I'm damn glad I don't believe.

 

[Helnurath]

I see your point, but then there's people like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Nödtveidt who prove me that there are people who can absolutely not handle this. It seems like a nice deal if everybody was sane in their mind, but that is not the case. If you do not harm anyone, I can respect what you do, but I don't think it's a religion that is very well suited for the masses.
Of course, Nödtveidt was no fan of the Church of Satan, but I think you get my point.

I agree on a few things, but first Satanism is not a religion, and we don't go out looking for people to join, we dont advertise, and most of us wont aknowledge that we are Satanists. Satanism is not for the masses as most people will never really comprehend what we are about or what we do or want for the rest of the world. There are tons upon tons of people doing horrible things to other people, but the simple fact is, none of them are TRUE Satanists. A TRUE Satanist will never, ever kill another person unless they absolutely have to protect themselves or loved ones. The fact that he resorted to violence means he isn't one of us. We do not acknowledge the existance of so-called sects of Satanism as there are none, in a world full of copycats, we are unique. If the Satanic Bible is not a complete reflection of how you feel about the world or how you live your life, you aren't one of us. Its like a secret society that you are born into.

 

[The_Prophet]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

Killing people in real life over trivial things is stupid. Playing violent video games to release anger is not.

 

[The_Prophet]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

Killing people in real life over trivial things is stupid. Playing violent video games to release anger is not.

Theere we go, you agree with me. Satanism is evil and retarded because it promotes that you are teh Best and you can do whatever you want and It doesn't take a genious to figure out that that's bad. (thanks, random person who created an anti-satanist thread)