Saving Princesses

[Moonlight Butterfly]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

Opposites attract my friend. I may be the epitome of the white magic girl irl and I always end up as the healer in games (the priest not the paladin...gragle grr) but...Biker guys...yum.

:3

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

Opposites attract my friend. I may be the epitome of the white magic girl irl and I always end up as the healer (the priest not the paladin...gragle grr) but...Biker guys...yum.

With their big bushy beards, it would feel like kissing a hedge

 

[SpaceBat]

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

Wait, why exactly are you comparing the LOZ universe to our own Middle Ages?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

Opposites attract my friend. I may be the epitome of the white magic girl irl and I always end up as the healer (the priest not the paladin...gragle grr) but...Biker guys...yum.

With their big bushy beards, it would feel like kissing a hedge

There's ones without beards! lol xD. But really I have bad taste in men and I always wonder how I get myself into such bad relationships but its 'I like bad boys' syndrome. I never learn...

 

[Chaos James]

The one-sided expectations of the rescue reminds me of the old Zelda Cartoon.

Link is the protector of Hyrule, personally guarding the Triforce of Wisdom and halting Ganon at every turn, but whenever Link asks for a kiss or tries to romance her, Zelda always turns a cold shoulder. Sure later episodes paint her as having some feeling for him, but mostly it results in Link being turned down and spouting his classic catchphrase.

To be fair, Zelda shouldn't of been such a cold lich, since Link saved the Kingdom, protects the Triforce, has saved Zelda many-a-times and even gave up his happy life of exploring to do all this.

Anyways, just an interesting observation on my part.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

Opposites attract my friend. I may be the epitome of the white magic girl irl and I always end up as the healer (the priest not the paladin...gragle grr) but...Biker guys...yum.

With their big bushy beards, it would feel like kissing a hedge

There's ones without beards! lol xD. But really I have bad taste in men and I always wonder how I get myself into such bad relationships but its 'I like bad boys' syndrome. I never learn...

Yeah I'm just stereotyping

 

[cainx10a]

If someone rescued me that I wasn't involved with and then wanted to marry me because of the effort it took I would kind of point out to them that would just be another way of 'being a prisoner'.

I don't see how people don't understand that...

I like bad boys anyway much to my detriment so I would probably already be shagging the evil wizard or whoever at that point.

I mean the dude has a scary castle and can do magic....Awesome much?

Tough luck that your father , the king , decided that he would rather give his daughters hand in marriage to the brave young knight than have her shagging the evil wizard.

If he wants my hand he can have it. Chainsaws are more useful anyway. Right Ash?

Right.

Well , if you had that in the first place you wouldn't need the rescuing , now would you ? You better get one right now , just to be on the safe side.

I didn't need rescuing...I have a great boyfriend and an awesome black spiky castle and I'm away from my control freak of a father. Just becuase some prancing idiot (probably a paladin *deathglare*) has got it in his head I need rescued...

Haha, that would make for an interesting game. The princess who has to defend his beloved Dark lord of Darkness from the Paladin and his minions of the Light. Tower Defense-style.

Someone, go create it!

I would play the crap out of that game. Darklords ftw.

...paladins...

You say you like bad boys and go on about how evil darklords are awesome. Then you look at your avatar and see Estelle one of the most kind hearted characters I have ever seen in a game, sitting in the background >.>

-cough- Rita is there too, careful she doesn't go blahblahblah Tidal Wave on thee.

 

[mechashiva77]

To be fair, Zelda shouldn't of been such a cold lich, since Link saved the Kingdom, protects the Triforce, has saved Zelda many-a-times and even gave up his happy life of exploring to do all this.

Anyways, just an interesting observation on my part.

I agree, Zelda shouldn't be so cold to him, but at the same time Link shouldn't expect too much. If it's a kiss on the cheek, I could understand Link's point of view. If it's full on tongue? Ehhhhh, not really.

 

[BoTTeNBReKeR]

Are you actually serious OP? I mean... it's too obvious that these kind of situations do not occur in real life and that anybody who thinks they deserve a sexual reward after "saving the princess" are joking or are pretty messed up.

 

[Grimh]

Most people who says stuff like that are just joking (I hope). It's just a fairly common joke that gets tossed around alot. But I do think that Link could at least ask for a kiss or somethi-


Yeah... Yeah, I guess that wouldn't be so good.

 

[Dchao]

This thread is just wrong.

 

[Negatempest]

Okay, well there is multiple ways to look at the situation.

One, is of a simple quest of a warrior who saves the princess and moves on to the next adventure.

The other is of a warrior who takes the quest expecting a reward in one form or another, usually sexual favors.

Now this is just my opinion here. But if I go through ANYTHING that Link or Mario does nearly on a daily basis I would want something more than a handshake from the princess.

It just rubs me the wrong way that a warrior/adventure should be grateful that he/she went through hell and back again for a princess/prince and all they get is a "thank you".. are you ****ing me? Risking life, limb, and sanity for a "thank you" would not cut it for most adventurers. Just think about it, going through frigid weather, scorching environments, nearly getting killed dozens of times...and you expect that the adventurer would get off on that alone? If a heroine goes through the same **** to save a gorgeous prince, I would expect the prince to "relieve" her stress in one form or another.

 

[mechashiva77]

It just rubs me the wrong way that a warrior/adventure should be grateful that he/she went through hell and back again for a princess/prince and all they get is a "thank you".. are you ****ing me? Risking life, limb, and sanity for a "thank you" would not cut it for most adventurers. Just think about it, going through frigid weather, scorching environments, nearly getting killed dozens of times...and you expect that the adventurer would get off on that alone? If a heroine goes through the same **** to save a gorgeous prince, I would expect the prince to "relieve" her stress in one form or another.

That's the whole thing I was talking about. It's the fact that rescuing a princess and trying to get her to have sex with you would be seen as having a sense of entitlement. I'll try to explain it through this scenario.

Prince: Greetings fair Princess I have come to your rescue! Come, we shall journey back to your kingdom where we shall be wed.
Princess: Wait, what? I mean I appreciate you saving me and all, but you're a complete stranger. I hardly know you. I don't think we should be getting married. Perhaps another reward can be arranged.
Prince: But, think about what I have been through! I willingly risked my life to save you, I should get more than your thanks. You owe me.
Princess: Ok, you're really starting to creep me out.

Frankly it would be unnerving even if the genders were reversed.

 

[Veylon]

"Hero rescues Princess" is the pared-down version of "Hero saves kingdom; rewarded with princess". It was no longer acceptable for the princess to be a humanoid trophy, so it changed to a scenario to where the hero gets the girl after saving the girl. The assumption is that by saving her, she is automatically in love with him. Now we expect some kind of relationship prior to marriage, which is hardly possible if the first time they meet is in the Dark Lord's dungeon.

The problem with Mario is that he's been saving the princess so many times...why? What kind of relationship do they have that he is willing to constantly run off and save her over and over again? Is he that much of a pure saint to risk his life repeatedly to absolutely no benefit of his own?

 

[WorldFree55]

Some may argue, "but they risked their lives for them, doesn't that earn them something?" I still don't think that's ok. No amount of blood a person has shed (either from yourself or others), or great battles they've won, or kingdoms they have toppled, allows them be entitled to bind a person who does not want them into marriage for their entire life, or use their body for sexual pleasure.

Given the setting of the game this may or may not be true.

You are speaking from the perspective of a person living in the 21st century , modern morals and all. In their world it may be perfectly normal to ravish and/or marry a princes after you save her.

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/motion.gif

Apparently not. =p

Haha that was very good. Nicely done .

 

[Asuka Soryu]

From the mangas, I'd say it's a mixture of being a hero/romantical(not sexual) feelings for the Princess in question. In some tailings, Link is best friends with Zelda, so it's not shocking he'd want to protect her.

In one manga I have, it says after Link saved Zelda, they remained together and he guarded her for the rest of their lives on their Apple farm.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Another thing we should note, is Link is a pure soul, one who could never force themselves upon a woman, no matter how entitled they may feel. Link's a kid in most games, and even as a teenager/adult he's still a pure soul, one who doesn't think like others, he doesn't see her as a sexual object that he wins by saving, but more as a person in danger and he can't in good concious allow darkness to harm them or taint the world.

 

[Exterminas]

Also could you explain and show the fallacy? Not trying to sound rude, I just want to make sure I don't do it again.

As I said I was not entirely serious with the rest of my post, and was just trying to play devil's advocate.

Here is something on that fallacy:

The proper name is "Is-Ought-Fallacy" It is pretty wide known amongst people familiar with philosophy and was first discussed by David Hume.

In simple terms his point was something like this:
We are able to make statements about how the world is.
But we are not able to make statements about how the world ought to be, based on these statements.

Why?

Because we have no bloody idea how the world ought to be.

Your version of this fallacy looks something like this:
People connect saving the princess with sex. (This is the is)
(And from the is you go to This ought not be the case.

You can avoid this by changing the question:
Why should there be a sexual component involved?
Why shouldn't there be?

Try to get to the reasons behind the "is" before you try anything that "ought" to be. Way more productive, because in the end there is no way the world ought to be.


Anway, probably I am just nitpicky, hopy my post was understandable.