I would have to read ACTA first before I sign anything. I had some issues with the video being untruthful about some things. How does ACTA happen in secret if there is a video talking about how ACTA is bad? There were also some big assumptions in it. I can understand the logic behind those assumptions, but the truth is in the document if those assumptions will happen.
SAY NO TO ACTA.
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I just glanced at that thread about Anonymous threatening Fox News and it made me wonder. If this ACTA thing is such a big deal why isn't Anonymous fighting that instead of wasting it's time with Fox News which I'm pretty sure no one takes seriously anyway.
The government should govern it's internet space with the same laws it would govern it's real space, and try to prevent piracy. However, the government does not walk around inside your house constantly checking for illegal property in real life. This bill won't pass. And if it does, I don't really give two shits what the government tries to stop me from doing on the internet- they will never be able to prevent me from doing whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want.
Now now, let's not get too hasty here. I see that China, Brazil, and Russia aren't apart of the agreement so far, which is a good thing. I remember a time when patent protected drugs used to treat HIV and AIDS cost something upward of $10,000 a year per person until Brazil reverse-engineered the drug and flooded the market with generic versions of it, forcing companies in the U.S. to lower their prices to compete with them. China too, which has always been pretty lax in enforcing copyright laws, won't be joining ACTA anytime soon and would probably make a mint recreating and distributing ACTA protected goods. Digital distribution would probably take a hit, but that censorship bit will get ACTA from being passed in the U.S. so long as we are still protected by the 1st Amendment.
If lifesaving medicine was sold at cost then there would be literally no new medicine created/made. Companies don't spend billions of dollars creating a new drug so that they can break even on the thing. I suppose we could have taxpayers pay a government branch to find/create new medicine.Alleged_Alec said:
But then what do we do when they never discover anything? They aren't a normal business so they couldn't go out of business for not coming up with new good ideas. The entire checks and balances portion falls apart then.
if this EVER passes. i will be in london protesting 'till i can't protest no more.
-before that steam drill does beat me down i'll die with my hammer in my hand.
-john henry. the steel drivin' man. (book)
-before that steam drill does beat me down i'll die with my hammer in my hand.
-john henry. the steel drivin' man. (book)
We got Ron Wyden Sen. D-Ore. over here. With the way he's been stopping shit like this I'm going to be damn sure to vote for him again. Makes me proud to be an Oregonian.
even if (and thats a big IF) this passes in western or democratic countries, it wouldn't last long.
a furious shit storm will arise like the earth have never seen before or then after. every internet user and anon will be up in arms and raising all sorts of hell. In fact im sure it might even cause major violence if it happens.
a furious shit storm will arise like the earth have never seen before or then after. every internet user and anon will be up in arms and raising all sorts of hell. In fact im sure it might even cause major violence if it happens.
fair use and expression. among others. and even then we'd rebel anyway.Andy Szidon said:
and if all else fails, start voteing from the roof tops. this shit would never pass. every news organization would show it, no elected official would have the balls to vote for it (see the backlash of Obama-care vote), and internet users are too bat shit insane to stand for it.
ok, who honestly thinks it would even come close to stopping internet crime? i won't. only legit people would take a hit. and anonymous would end up becoming a militia group. either way, ACTA loses.Sporky111 said:
check out this link, both Europe and north america are against it because it violates human rights, it will NEVER pass.
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#G8_position[/link]
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#G8_position[/link]
In the US, even if a treaty is signed it must be passed by Congress. For instance after WWI, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Treaty of Versailles which established a precursor to the United Nations among a great many other things. However, Congress rejected the treaty thus making President Wilson's signature invalid.Saucycardog said:
This can't pass in Finland, it would break so many laws, including our freedom of act and speech laws, trade laws and constitution in which it is stated that only the police is allowed to give our criminal senteces and allowed to investigate them. Example if my ISP would catch me downloading Justin Bieber album, they would need to report it to police (or the TEOSTO has to report it to police) then give them enough proof in order it to get a status in which it will be investigated and after that police must find prove, both physical and digital of my actions and then send it to a prosecutor's office in which they decide is it worth to go to a law. If now then I can be fined up to a one day tickets worth that would be... 6 Euros.
But yeah, Ill start bothering my representative at the Cabinet, again... I think he knows me by my name already, sighs every time he gets a call from me.
But yeah, Ill start bothering my representative at the Cabinet, again... I think he knows me by my name already, sighs every time he gets a call from me.
The thing that shits me about all this is that some people hear about it and misunderstand it,i.e: OP and many others in this thread saying that it will restrict schools and genetic brand drugs. panic and blow it out of proportion. When others come to see what all the fuss is about, they understandably disregard it because it's exaggerated.i.e: The people making the sarcastic remarks and calling out others on their exaggeration
The problem is that they then disregard ALL of it, even the core issue which everyone should rightfully be up in arms about.See Footnote #2
I've read one of the ACTA drafts. It is something you should be concerned about.
It's not the end of all things as some are making it out to be, but it is an infringement on privacy and our rights, not to mention that it will jack up the prices that ISPs charge for internet access.This is logical. If they have to do shit like monitoring, which under ACTA they will have to in order to prevent copyright breach, they will have to charge more to cover the cost incurred to monitor your access. It might also slow down connections. I don't know.In places like Australia, where internet is already very expensive and slow, this will mean internet access fees will be phenomenally huge.
Don't miss the tree for the forest. Among all the exaggeration there is a real issue here.I'm aware I'm repeating myself here. Reinforcement through repetition.
The problem is that they then disregard ALL of it, even the core issue which everyone should rightfully be up in arms about.See Footnote #2
I've read one of the ACTA drafts. It is something you should be concerned about.
It's not the end of all things as some are making it out to be, but it is an infringement on privacy and our rights, not to mention that it will jack up the prices that ISPs charge for internet access.This is logical. If they have to do shit like monitoring, which under ACTA they will have to in order to prevent copyright breach, they will have to charge more to cover the cost incurred to monitor your access. It might also slow down connections. I don't know.In places like Australia, where internet is already very expensive and slow, this will mean internet access fees will be phenomenally huge.
Don't miss the tree for the forest. Among all the exaggeration there is a real issue here.I'm aware I'm repeating myself here. Reinforcement through repetition.
Here's [https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/just-say-no-to-acta] a petition, signing it is as easy as one, two, four. Get on it people.