School being a waste of time

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Tixek said:
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Are you just replying to make everyone feel worse, because you are making yourself hopeless. There is always a way to fix things, and every bit of advice everyone has given you, you have chucked out the window. You are trying to make your own life worse it seems.

Grow up and realise that the world does not, in fact, revolve around you, learn that other people have problems too. Learn how to fix those problems so you don't immediately come across as an anti-social jerk. Now if a couple of Random useless people off the internet can give you that much wisdom, just think of how wise you can be if you tone down the angst a little and be more positive, or at least accepting.
There is no wisdom amongst these fools.
You have to be fucking kidding me. If we all have no wisdom, why seek our advice. I see these 'fools' posts and see that they're all the same; all countering your opinion; all giving advice; all dismissed. You just wanted an opinion to match that of your own right? These people have more wisdom than you could ever hope to have. As a matter of fact, I think I alone have more wisdom than you ever could want.

But, I seem to have gone off topic. I both agree and disagree with you. School is boring, the routine is soul crushing and and the rewards are small. Schools give us intelligence, provide us techniques to use in later life and give us qualifications to get a job and survive. I love school, I'm only doing 4 subjects and they're all the subjects I want to do so I enjoy it.

The best thing for you to do is stick it out. If you don't then I sorely hope you don't live in the UK, because I don't want to be paying your fucking dole money for the rest of my life.
 

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Knowlegde is power.

Education is power.

Without an education, you are nothing.

Remember that, and you'll go places.
 

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Man I love threads like these.

I mean man the OP is funny, especially all the stuff about being rude as a "facade".

Best thread in a long time.
 

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Read through your entire posts, Tixek. It all seems rather cliché.

Apparently smart child who can't see the value of others who they see as 'below them'. You need to grow up and realise the world is not here for your amusement. While I know you're going to turn around and tell me "I realise this, [enter insult from dictionary]" you clearly do not.

You have done the easier and laziest thing a person can do and have generalised a group of people (your entire school) based on the actions of a few (probably local bullies) and then found reasons as to why you are better than them to soothe your own insecurities.

I realise you say you have issues, but I'll be honest and say all I've thought of is the words "man up". We've all had issues, some worse than others. I know people who've had more issues in the first thirteen years of life than I'll probably ever have in my entire life. Most of the genuinely hurt people either slip through the net and stop caring about people entirely (which you obviously haven't as you are here) or do the opposite and actually take on a do-or-die attitude to life. It's a generalisation, but when you have that degree of genuine issue in your life what else can you do?

I know you've come here to try and get a general appraisal on your 'edgy' behaviour, but we're simply not interested. No matter how smart you are, the majority of members here have actual knowledge of life.

I've kept my post civil and polite as part of me thinks you're doing this all for the reaction. In the end, I don't expect you to pay any more attention to my points as other people's. You have shown yourself to be rather arrogant and seem quite happy to turn around and insult people based on this observation and their views of life, which are often more valid than someone who's been around on this world around the same time as a aged dog. I do not care what your issues are, if you act like this then all you're doing is putting yourself in a little box, telling everyone to stay out of your box because they don't understand you; just like every other child. Its not 'cool' to be a tragic figure. It's tragic.
 

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Hwoof said:
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OP is a douche. You'd be better off posting this stuff on 4chan, to be honest.
Don't give him ideas - He'll become part of the cancer!
One more asshole on 4chan isn't really going to make much of a difference, to be honest.
 

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Jekken6 said:
Hwoof said:
Jekken6 said:
OP is a douche. You'd be better off posting this stuff on 4chan, to be honest.
Don't give him ideas - He'll become part of the cancer!
One more asshole on 4chan isn't really going to make much of a difference, to be honest.
True, but there is still hope for this guy. He doesn't need to go into that cesspit. Especially considering he's only 2nd year at highschool...

Ah well. The internet has, and always will be an asshole breeding ground, no matter where people are from.
 

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Hwoof said:
Jekken6 said:
Hwoof said:
Jekken6 said:
OP is a douche. You'd be better off posting this stuff on 4chan, to be honest.
Don't give him ideas - He'll become part of the cancer!
One more asshole on 4chan isn't really going to make much of a difference, to be honest.
True, but there is still hope for this guy. He doesn't need to go into that cesspit. Especially considering he's only 2nd year at highschool...

Ah well. The internet has, and always will be an asshole breeding ground, no matter where people are from.
I'm in my second year of high school as well and I go to 4chan from time to time. I don't post any porn or nasty shit, though.

and there is hope for OP, yes, if he realizes he needs to alter his attitude. or find a productive outlet for his disdain for school and people.
 

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School is bullshit and will always be bullshit. The government forces you to take your child and put him in a class along with 29 other children. They then assume that each child is the same and starts teaching them crap that they will most likely forget after their first test. This has gone beyond educating the youth to just throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks. Yes, knowing the basics isn't a bad idea but they're going beyond that.

You learn the basics of math and then they force you to continue studying math like it's some sort of holy shit that has to be worshiped every single goddamn year. I mean, here high schools are based on profiles. You choose the social science profile and you're supposedly going to have classes focused on social science BUT YOU STILL have a physics class, a chemistry class, a mathematics class, a literature class, a biology class, a geography class, a history class and about 2 SOCIAL SCIENCE CLASSES.

You choose a biology profile and instead of actually getting to learn about biology you get two biology classes a week and the rest is, you guessed it, MATHEMATICS, PROGRAMMING, LITERATURE, GEOGRAPHY, HISTORY, SOCIAL SCIENCE. What do these have to do with biology? I mean fuck, even chemistry, which is needed when studying biology, has some stupid shit in there. Why do we need to solve chemistry problems? Will these help us better understand biology? Will they somehow heighten our intellect to a superior level or will they just bore the living shit out of us and make us realize we're never actually going to learn about biology. I mean, from my understanding the needed course would be BIOCHEMISTRY but we never DID learn about biochemistry. Again, more examples of simply throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. But there's a catch. If the shit doesn't stick then you're going to have to take it, eat it, keep it in long enough for an exam and then throw it up.

The education system currently in place is absolutely bullshit. It's based on old and outdated methods and assumes that an at least semi-advantage knowledge of everything is needed in order to succeed in life, which is false. I sure as hell won't need to know the history of the Romans in order to become a doctor and I sure as fucking hell won't need calculus when I go to the store to do my groceries.

Oh, and let's not forget jobs. "I don't care how smart you are or how good you are at doing what I need you to do. You do not have a piece of paper stating that you're smart and you're therefore not smart". That makes total sense. The government basically said this: Either follow my rules or I'll make your life miserable and we're doing jack about it, are we now?

Not only that, but they're forgetting bullying. Bullying is so prevalent in both middle school and high school that it's amazing no one has bothered doing anything about it. I mean fuck, here our tax money is supposedly used for patrols but apparently that money is used for something else because I sure as hell haven't seen any patrols near schools or high schools. I mean TEACHERS do nothing about it. My best friend was being bullied and the teachers just stood there, watched and proceeded to go to class. He was being humiliated in front of an entire high school and the 5 teachers that passed near the incident did nothing. Apparently, "teens should be teens" is a good excuse for when the parents came around. What? Is it to hard to take care of your fucking students? Or that fancy Armani suit you just bought justifies not having guards patrolling the perimeter?

If the shit that's currently boiling right now won't be flushed down the toilet then at least spray some perfume on it. Get rid of grades, tests, homework and moronic teachers. Schools, in their current state, demand 3 things of the student:

1. Never speak up against a teacher. The teacher is always right and you're a worthless piece of shit - your opinion does not matter;
2. Never speak of what happening in the school, never film what's happening in the school, never take pictures of what's happening in the school. The school must be protected whenever "tintsy snaffus" happen(This is actually why they don't allow cell phones in schools nowadays);
3. Always remember that school isn't about learning, it's about passing tests.

Remove the tests and grades and you removed the stress associated with school. After that you can actually focus on teaching the students and making studying, wait for it, FUN. It seems that when something is enjoyable people open up to it and it makes it way easier to learn. Yes, LEARNING, that thing that schools are supposed to do. I'm fairly sure I'd have be more receptive to, say programming if it actually involved programming. As it stands, for the entirety of that class you're just being given information and forced to memorize it so as to pass a test. Learning about it is fine but I'm fairly sure if I actually did some programming I would've learned way more.

There is absolutely no reason for homework. You're just stressing the student even more by saying "Here's shit to do whilst you're home. Spend 3 hours attempting to memorate what I just wrote on the blackboard and then reproduce it. If you don't, there will be consequences". If you want to teach a student something you will do so during school hours. School is school and free time is free time. There is no reason why one should bleed into the other.

There should be teaching seminars. These seminars would be used to discuss new techniques to teach students and hold their attention. The fact of the matter is that you cannot teach today the same way you teach say 50 years ago.
 

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Tixek said:
ethaninja said:
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I think you are arrogant and don't know the benefit of a proper education. If you feel the need to refer to others as "losers", then you are clearly too immature to head out into the world on your own. It will eat you alive.
Seconded. Seriously. And just wait till you hit year 12.
Heh. Restating the obvious won't make you sound smarter, come back when you actually have something that's worth my time.
@smithy_2045: I also addressed that as well. Again, pay attention you ignorant fool.
Ok, so you've got a nice little holier then thou attitude going on. Expecting that to get you... where exactly? You sound like one of those snobby little twerps that expect to get somewhere by overcompensating their aggressiveness because the other kids keep picking on them for being "nerds"
 

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Tixek said:
I'm in no mood for your antagonism but I'm feeling generous so I'll answer your question.
Yes, I have a tendency to be rude and I may seem obnoxious to others such as yourself, this however is facade I take while being at school due to negative things that have taken place in my past that has caused me to become unsociable, apathetic, and irritable. These however are not my true feelings they are simply a result of the pain that I keep bottle up within my psyche. I hope that answers your question.
1]. You are not at school. This 'façade' is evidently used outside of school, since you are being obnoxious on an internet forum as well.

2] The thread is about how much you hate school, not about the terrible, terrible things that have befallen you in years past. You can't justify the contents of your post by playing the victim.

3] If they are not your true feelings, then why did you post them? To get a reaction? That's trolling.
 

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I give you one year in the real world. One year of being treated like shit at a minimum wage job until you quickly realize where you are headed with your attitude.

And no, you're in grade 10. You are not smarter than everyone else. The smartest people I know are the only ones who realize how little they actually know.

I greatly look forward to you looking back on this thread in ten years, after you have (hopefully) realized that you are not, in fact, a special little snowflake.

TL;DR You're just confused. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it when you mature.
 

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manaman said:
That was a solution for me, I wouldn't advocate leaving school period for anyone. You included. I assume you at least got your GED or life is going to be tougher then you ever want to imagine. Smarter or not.
Plenty of people have told me things like that already but while I do not dismiss the need or want for a proper education and an eventual degree, I can't get a GED until I'm 17 (which happened last monday).

Still, I'm preparing for the test currently and will be getting it soon.
 

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Tixek said:
You guys don't actually read anything but my first post do you?
There's more to my character than acting like I'm better than everyone else and hating school.
I'm like any other person out there. I have my flaws and imperfections, I am by no means better than everyone else. I'm actually a pretty nice guy once you get to know me, I'm just pretty distant at first because of the pain I've been inflicted upon in past years of living.
You actually made the statement that none of the people who attend your school deserve your respect. Unless you attend a school of one, then that attitude proves definitively that you are not a pretty nice guy. A lot of people have pain in their past, but not everyone becomes an antisocial, misanthropic turd because of it.

If everyone around you thinks you're a jerk, then what's more likely? Is it more likely that everyone in the world is mistaken about your personality, or that one person is mistaken about your demeanor (that one person being you)?

Remember, no one thinks they're an asshole, but there are an awful lot of them walking around. I've never met you personally, but I think you might be one of them.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
Speaking as a person with a master's degree in biochemistry and cellular and molecular biology, I read the first two paragraphs of your wall of text and decided your post wasn't worth reading as soon as I noticed that you seemed to be asserting that it's possible to learn biology without an understanding of mathematics. It is not. All science is based on mathematics. Therefore, any attempt to understand any science, whether social, physical, or natural, is impossible without it.

If you want to be a waiter who knows about as much about a social science as someone who skimned a wikipedia page on the subject, then your approach makes sense. If you want to actually follow a social science career path, then what you said was a bunch of nonsense.
 

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PhiMed said:
AndyFromMonday said:
Speaking as a person with a master's degree in biochemistry and cellular and molecular biology, I read the first two paragraphs of your wall of text and decided your post wasn't worth reading as soon as I noticed that you seemed to be asserting that it's possible to learn biology without an understanding of mathematics. It is not. All science is based on mathematics. Therefore, any attempt to understand any science, whether social, physical, or natural, is impossible without it.

If you want to be a waiter who knows about as much about a social science as someone who skimned a wikipedia page on the subject, then your approach makes sense. If you want to actually follow a social science career path, then what you said was a bunch of nonsense.
Are you actually suggesting you need 4th year level high school math in order to get a master's in biochemistry?
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
PhiMed said:
AndyFromMonday said:
Speaking as a person with a master's degree in biochemistry and cellular and molecular biology, I read the first two paragraphs of your wall of text and decided your post wasn't worth reading as soon as I noticed that you seemed to be asserting that it's possible to learn biology without an understanding of mathematics. It is not. All science is based on mathematics. Therefore, any attempt to understand any science, whether social, physical, or natural, is impossible without it.

If you want to be a waiter who knows about as much about a social science as someone who skimned a wikipedia page on the subject, then your approach makes sense. If you want to actually follow a social science career path, then what you said was a bunch of nonsense.
Are you actually suggesting you need 4th year level high school math in order to get a master's in biochemistry?
Absolutely, plus some. In fact, unless you go to a high school where they offer courses in differential equations (there aren't any of those, at least in the public school system, in the United States), you will have to take even more math once you get to high school.

In the United States, "4th year high school math", at a maximum in most cases, means two years of algebra, a year of geometry, and a year of calculus. In order to get a master's in biochemistry, you need at least two years of calculus and a year of differential equations. In order to be able to model enzymatic reacitons, you need to be able to understand both vectors and instantaneous rate of change. If you aren't able to derive and integrate in three dimensions, biochemistry is a completely incomprehensible subject on a master's level.

Also, you'll need an understanding of electrophysics in order to undertand membrane potentials, so you'll need at least a year of physics. You'll need a year of inorganic chemistry, and a year of organic chemistry.

So, your assertion that you can learn any of these things in isolation proves to me just how little you know about any of them.
 

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There is absolutely no reason for homework. You're just stressing the student even more by saying "Here's shit to do whilst you're home. Spend 3 hours attempting to memorate what I just wrote on the blackboard and then reproduce it. If you don't, there will be consequences". If you want to teach a student something you will do so during school hours. School is school and free time is free time. There is no reason why one should bleed into the other.
Homework is not for 'teaching' -- that is done in class, as you said. Homework is to complete actual work, as the name itself suggests. To get through all the work that you must in a year's time, it's necessary to do some of it at home. If you don't, and instead do everything at school, then the amount of information you'll cover will be drastically reduced.

How would teachers get through any work if every exercise had to be completed in class? I know that it takes quite a while to get through my mathematics exercises, and if I had to do them all in class it'd take at least two lessons-- and this isn't accounting for different students' abilities. Repeat for every subject, every topic, and suddenly the amount of stuff you learn in a school year is halved.

Basically, all teaching is done at school -- how to complete the problem, any background knowledge, etc. Actually completing the exercises and applying what you learnt is at least partly the purpose of homework.

EDIT: It seems you're talking from the perspective of the American education system. I can't say I've ever experienced it, so maybe it's different over there. Some of your points didn't make any sense to me for that reason -- I mean, we don't have to learn 'ancient roman history' if we don't want to. In high school all subjects are optional and can be chosen, except for Maths and English (and even in those you have various choices: you can do 'easy' maths, etc). If you don't want to learn calculus because it isn't necessary for you, you don't have to pick it. Simple.

Also, what you said about a "piece of paper" used for job selection, etc. I have to disagree with you. It would be pretty time consuming and difficult for companies to figure out whether you were "good at what you're doing" without it. If the paper you're referring to is the certificate stating that you've completed high school, then your point makes even less sense. It's a measure of dedication, commitment -- qualities that are important to employers.
 

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PhiMed said:
I suppose you're correct. What about social sciences then?

VampiresDontSparkle said:
Homework is not for 'teaching' -- that is done in class, as you said. Homework is to complete actual work, as the name itself suggests. To get through all the work that you must in a year's time, it's necessary to do some of it at home. If you don't, and instead do everything at school, then the amount of information you'll cover will be drastically reduced.
Then adapt everything to fit in the 6 to 7 hours a student spends in school everyday. At least here in good ol' Romania we had so much homework it was insane. And when you DID finish all of that you had to open your notebook and learn everything you wrote that day. Whoops, I forgot to mention you also had to at least skim over everything you were "teached" before since you need everything for the 2 dreaded exams you had to take every semester unless, that is, you wanted to leave everything a week before the exam which would mean you'd be so tired by the time those exams actually kicked in that you won't even be able to remember your name. But hey, after about 7 to 8 hours of sleep you had to wake up in the morning feeling like shit, put your clothes on and whoop de do back to school and do it all over again.

It's EXHAUSTING. The current educational system in place here is over-exerting the students to a degree that should not be allowed. DUE TO THIS, a lot of them choose the easy way out and that is abandon school entirely. Oh no, not the drop out kind of abandonment since you wouldn't be able to do that until 10th grade. The "cheat, beg and beg" method. You ended up having a lot of students barely graduating high school. Having a student graduate with good grades was a sight to behold indeed.



VampiresDontSparkle said:
How would teachers get through any work if every exercise had to be completed in class? I know that it takes quite a while to get through my mathematics exercises, and if I had to do them all in class it'd take at least two lessons-- and this isn't accounting for different students' abilities. Repeat for every subject, every topic, and suddenly the amount of stuff you learn in a school year is halved.
Introduce another year then. It sure as hell wouldn't hurt taking a bit of the weight off the students would it?

VampiresDontSparkle said:
Basically, all teaching is done at school -- how to complete the problem, any background knowledge, etc. Actually completing the exercises and applying what you learnt is at least partly the purpose of homework.
Then apply what you learned in school. It sure as hell wouldn't hurt doing everything in school under the supervising of a teacher, would it?


VampiresDontSparkle said:
It seems you're talking from the perspective of the American education system. I can't say I've ever experienced it, so maybe it's different over there. Some of your points didn't make any sense to me for that reason -- I mean, we don't have to learn 'ancient roman history' if we don't want to. In high school all subjects are optional and can be chosen, except for Maths and English (and even in those you have various choices: you can do 'easy' maths, etc). If you don't want to learn calculus because it isn't necessary for you, you don't have to pick it. Simple.
I was actually talking from the perspective of a Romanian. We can't choose our subjects. We have to attend every subject. The difference is that there are less hours a week of that particular subject. Everything is based on profiles. You want to not do as much maths? Go to a social sciences profile. The problem is, it's all dependent on your grade. The problem is, there aren't enough high schools with that profile. There's 2 high schools offering "quality" social sciences education in my town and the grade is very high. So, a mediocre student(By mediocre I mean 7 and 8's instead of 9 and 10's) will be forced to attend a profile he didn't want to. Social sciences is the easiest profile but the requirements for it are a tad high.