School is like starting life with a 12-year jail sentence

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captainwillies

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/gatto2.1.1.html

I read this very interesting article and I'd have to say I agree with all of it.

tl:dr schooling fucks you up, nothing will fix what school has become. Logically the only solution would be to home-school but this is impossible with dual-income or single parent families that need to go work. So the only thing left is to train yourself but this "time" gets drained by Homework and television.

Really great article though.

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Riobux

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It's a nice article about the collective and coldness of the modern curriculum, but it holds it's faults. For a start, school education are favouring, more and more, a more individualistic approach to teaching. An approach where your opinions do matter, but the method has to be prescribed. Sociology exams at A-Level, for instance, isn't about knowing the facts but rather arguing a point with citations (especially true in A2, the second year of A-Level). However, I do see the point he's trying to make about the coldness of schooling, however, the alternative is worse. You could have 12 years of learning discipline and to think in a prescribed manner so you can get a slip that says you're a good boy so you can spend the rest of your life working for a certain wage, which without you suffer and collapse in the capitalistic society we have. However, there is an alternative.

The alternative is something a psychologist called Carl Rogers put forward: Humanism. No more prescribed lessons where you're taught what you're told to learn. No more forced learning. No more written exams. No more coldness. A more warmer community where morals and values take a stronger emphasis than today's curriculum. No more learning to beat the exam, but rather learning for the sake of learning. The catch is this: It is useless in a capitalist society which values having qualifications as proof you can do the job right and do it well. Sure they offer the chance to take qualifications, but you get bogged down with the "let's learn empathy!" stuff. The good thing, however, is learning ceases to be a chore, but rather an enjoyable activity. There was reports that when they discussed what punishment a child should have, the other students elected for that child to be banned from lessons. However, the Rogerian view, despite being utopia on the child's emotional development (creating someone who is kind, helpful, happy, so on), creates something impractical. Unable to get a high paid job and unprepared to the harshness that is every-day life.

There is a UK school that uses the Rogerian view that is constantly under attack by the government due to poor educational achievement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_School
 

Kagim

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While school might be tough its a lot more required then it seems.

Elementary to high school to me is not meant for what you learn. That's what college is for. Elementary through high school is to teach you how to act in society.

While some kids are emotionally destroyed by school the majority of kids pick up the lessons they need to learn and the other minority are the bullies, elitists that learn the harsh reality that once your 19 (in Canada) your no longer cool because you can get alcohol.

Hell, my time in school was rough as well. I was pretty damn depressed most my childhood.

However, i have learned to become better then i was because of it. I know whose opinions of me i should care about and who i should just give the finger to and go home. I learned how to deal with getting shit on by faceless nobodies. In life someone will eventually shit on you. Best to learn how to deal with it when the worst that happens is you get suspended, not fired and have assault charges filed against you.

I don't believe in home schooling. People need to learn how to function in society. Your education from P-12 might be private school worthy but unless you have a social network set up how will your child learn to work and play with his or her fellow people? It is, however a parents choice. I will respect that choice they made and if any home schooled kids / parents take offense to that statement i apologize.

Honestly p-12 is about learning how to behave in society. Its about getting your thick skin to deal with assholes and recognizing how people act. Learning who is going to screw you and who is going to back you. Humans are social creatures, we crave interaction even if you feel you hate it.

The education you get from it is only meant to be a brief outline. While i confess i have no clue how it works in the US or UK, or anywhere else but in Canada you can get caught up from grade 10-12 in one or two semesters of college courses. 20 months of High School can get condensed into 6-8 in college, or in 3 hours if you independently study and just take a few tests.

School is how we learn to act as a society. You might wanna say "Well society is so fucked up!" I however don't think society is fucked up so... Not getting into that.
 

Jamieson 90

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School is the best time of your life, no responsibility, friends and learning new stuff.
 

The Magical Hobo

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D Bones said:
You can get a job when you finish school, not prison.
well actually there are alot of programs to help inmates get jobs when they finish their sentence, so as to help prevent them from re-offending. and in contrast there are alot of high school graduates who find it difficult to get jobs right away, especially if they didn't have previous work experience.
 

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I agree school needs reform, but I wouldn't call it jail. Though I wish school helped students more on how to be successful in life, like teach social skill(not that trial and error shit of interacting with fellow students, not everybody figures it out that way) and financial skills.

School seems like a way to churn out employees that work long hours because they're slaves to debt they amassed through not knowing any better.
 

Low Key

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If you hate school, you're gonna really hate what comes after it.

I wish I could go back to the days of high school and all of you young'ns will be saying the exact same thing when you are my age.
 

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I think public education in general is a failure.

I hate it when people try to make is about class and free market woes.
It has nothing do with that. Notice how the people who defend public education and scream for more public fund tend to represent have the worst schools (inner city areas and many suburban school zones).

Anyone can attend a private or charter school on a scholarship (this actually requires the kid to motivated...what a shocker). If there were more educational competition, I think public schools would actually be motivated themselves to be more creative with the education experience.


I attened a private school and thougt I didn't care for the religious aspect, the learning process was 100x better than the public high school I attended the year before.

Sadly I graduated from a public school (senior year) and it was boring. None of those kids had learned anything in the 4 years they were there. What nails the coffin shut onbthis issue shut is all these AP and honors programs.

I took these programs as well and I can safely say most of the teens weren't what you'd call "bright". Many were just good at doing homework and pushing pencil lead for hours without really retaining any of the information. AP is just another status symbol imo, kids would parade it around like it was a badge on their shirt (too bad they didn't really have any interest in learning).

I've heard that we should model our schools after many European and Asian systems. This is ridiculous considering that they've modeled their systems off of us(though they're more industrialized in their style) and are more competitive due to different cultural attitudes about success and acheivment. America says "Be whatever you want as long as you work hard to achieve whatever it is", other nations say "You better do well from the age of 5 within the system..otherwise you'll be a failure no matter how talented you are".
 

lacktheknack

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Oh well.

What else can you say? At any rate, I enjoyed school, and am sad that I graduated.
 

enzilewulf

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Trust me there is kids who would kill to go to our school, even with the broken curriculum, kids who are in grade 4 know more than a kid in a poverty nation.
 

The Warden

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Yeah, school sucks shit until after you pass it and get a great job and lead a wonderful life, then you're like "Woa, dude, this school shit is pretty cool, WTF are all this kiddies talkin 'bout?"
 

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For someone who is certified to teach English, he sure ends quite a lot of sentences with prepositions.
 

Billion Backs

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No, your whole life is like a life-long jail sentence.

If you think school is worse then a lot of places out "in the real world", you're gravely mistaken.

Edit: Omagah, we got a real troll with granny porn! Hahahah.
 

Ironic Pirate

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Holy shit that's disgusting, you know what I'm talking about...

The only subject I've learned anything this year is Math, and I hate that anyways
 

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Low Key said:
If you hate school, you're gonna really hate what comes after it.

I wish I could go back to the days of high school and all of you young'ns will be saying the exact same thing when you are my age.
Haha yeah, no responsibility, no bills, days that went from 9-3... school kids have it tough!