Jamieson 90 said:
Mr Montmorency said:
Jamieson 90 said:
Mr Montmorency said:
Jamieson 90 said:
You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.
Your position as a teacher gives you no pull in this argument seeing as you don't wear a uniform anyway and don't know the problems people have to deal with when they're forced to.
If you're not going to bother, then you've given up and lost because you have no points. Don't act as if you're all high and mighty about it by playing the authority card.
You know just because I teach doesn't mean I don't wear a uniform you know I still wear a shirt and look respectful and even when I was a kid I wore a uniform so don't say I know nothing about the subject. I have points but you don't consider them valid for some reason when others have pointed them out and agreed with them.
I have not lost, in fact how can you lose when an opinion is subjective? a discussion is two people trying to convince each other that their viewpoint is the best, just because I see no point in trying to debate with you means I have lost it just means you not a very good person to debate with, you come across as very ignorant and aggresive, if someone disagrees with you then they are obviously wrong etc. There is being assertive and getting your point across and then there is being aggressive which just alienates peoples and makes people not want to talk to you, maybe you should take that into consideration.
Let's not go down this route again. Don't play the hero because you can't back up your points.
I'm not being ignorant. If being ignorant is being adamant that my conclusion is correct unless proven otherwise... then I guess I'm ignorant.
Also, as discussed at length throughout the topic, this situation is not subjective. This argument is not about "liking" the uniform or not, as subjectivity would denote. Many of the complaints have been over the practicality (or lack thereof) which denotes objectivity. So... yeah.
If this was subjective in any way, nobody would possibly be arguing over this because there would be no point. You're confusing the two because
you yourself are ignorant about the situation and refuse to change
your mind. Which is why you have "given up" if you truly had a decent point, you would have tried to convince us, and if it didn't work, you should have realised your point was flawed. But you played the "subjective" card.
Well my opinion is subjective, I think wearing uniform is good is subjective, I did raise good points earlier in the thread which I think you missed.
Here they are
1. It allows staff to easily identify pupils and distinguish them from intruders that might present a threat.
2. It helps to reduce bullying as everyone looks the same or similar whereas kids from poor backgrounds might be singled out if their clothes are seen to be scruffy etc.
3. It protects your real clothes from damage or theft.
4. It prepares you for work in the future as you will most likely have to wear a suit and tie in most jobs.
5. It helps you, most kids are tired in the morning and picking out clothes is a pain.
6. It helps you get into the work mentality, Uniform is for school and work, own clothes are for play and outside etc.
I went to some extent to explain why I thought those points were valid but like I said before you obviously disagreed and I'm not going to waste my time on someone who feels so strongly about the subjective when I know I can't convince them to my point of view.
Thats it, im not replying because there is no point, but hey if you want the last word and the need to feel like you have "won" then go right ahead.
1: If you can't identify intruders from the kids you see every day, you're a shitty teacher. If anything, the lack of a uniform would let you be able to tell who isn't from the school because they would be wearing clothing that wouldn't fit the styles of people who were in the school. How is this point subjective?
2: If you'd read my points, you would have noticed that I said that it costs more to buy a uniform than ordinary clothes, and that the lack of it would single you out more obviously than if you had turned up in inconspicuous casual wear every day. I am in fact "poor" myself, and these days, it's incredibly easy to get ahold of used clothing. How is this point subjective?
3: The fact that you can instead damage your uniform then opens you up to another shitty problem: now you have to buy a new one for about double it would have costed to buy normal clothes. This is ignoring the fact that if you're stupid enough to get your clothes stolen from you while you're wearing them, then obviously, you shouldn't be in school. How is this point subjective?
4: Yeah? Well, does expenses prepare me for the job? In a real job I could have no uniform at all. And that's not even the worse part of it, more jobs don't have a uniform, they have a dress code, and it usually makes sense due to work circumstances, such as working conditions. In school, you pay for some expensive blazer that you can "prepare" your time for work in by wearing it in the heat by force, ruining your learning all for looking "smart". On top of this, work clothes don't cost double ordinary clothes, because they ARE essentially ordinary clothes. It's dress code. How is this point subjective? Are you getting it yet?
5: If you can't get up early enough to prioritize and organise, then that means you're fucking up somewhere. If they don't learn that lesson by having to turn up in something new and clean every day, then how hard is it gonna hit them when they work and have a selection of clothes to wear?
How is this point subjective?!
6: As I said, there is no way clothing can influence your ability to learn - essentially our IQ. You said that clothing changes your IQ. Does that sound stupid to you? If i sit in my underwear do I suddenly subconsciously turn into Homer Simpson? No? The how does it work here?
How is this subjective?!
Do you know what subjectivity and objectivity are? Because clearly you don't.
I disagreed and I also DEBUNKED your points -- not "opinions", they were points -- saying that "wearing is good" is subjective, well done. But when you go on to back it up with
objective points, don't expect to not get shot down.
If you're giving up, you're obviously hereby admitting that you have no points left and you can't justify it. Saying "it's just my opinion" or "it's subjective" just shows that you can take your opinions being debunked and thereby shows that you're ignorant and stubborn. If you would have gladly giving me and everyone else some points-- retorts, even, then maybe you would have been believed.
I win.
