Only a fool would think Deathstroke ahd a chance of winning because Deadpool is pretty much everyone's now number 1 favorite Superhero surpassing Batman, Spiderman, Iron Man, and X-Men in terms of popularity.Smithnikov said:
Screwattack's Death Battle is starting to get.....dull.
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I stopped caring for Screw Attack once they downsized and left Gametrailers (this was before the site had shutdown). I saw some early episodes of Death Battle when it first premiered and stopped because I knew it would get repetitive.
Actually, if it's anything, it's going to be not the complicated plan that he can sense the danger of and react to accordingly, but the one-off that comes out of nowhere like that. All the guys with powers, he turns on their head with a great mastery of being able to find the dangers and weaknesses of said powers and turning them against them with fighting style, his physical ability, and the webbing. Guys like Mysterio - to take on the illusion part for a moment - require more thought. In alot of cases, he can avoid danger he can't see coming because the attack that fools the senses of a human still can't fool his instincts, but when they conceal things from happening that he hadn't expected, he has to play catch-up on the matter, and usually that goes well because the villain has some sort of objective he can foil. But what do you do when your senses tell you 'Danger' because you're being attacked and the attack was a cover for another kind of attack that you didn't see coming? The idea behind this was that Batman realized that Spider-Man was so good that he could count on being knocked out of the blast zone with next to no time before explosion. Spider-Man became the plan. So yes, he IS better, but that's something Brucey uses in battle. Now, if someone else was on the field after the fact, he'd be in severe disadvantage because of the damage he took, but I have to give it to him.PapaGreg096 said:
If you read the wikipedia entry you know that he can see it coming because the Spider sense is directional its basically precog also the Spider sense as for catch up by the time Spidy gets out of Bats trap Bats needs to figure out a plan Spiderman whacks him on the head as for that objective statement let you remind you again of the Sinister six who at one point had both Mysterio and Kraven to the mix and their objective was to kill Spiderman and guess what they tried that attack to cover another attack and they failed and you can say Bats may be better at these types of things than the former two but Spidy still has experiance with these type of stratgies. The problem with Bats is that while he is a great strategist he needs time in order to plan a good strategy meanwhile when it comes to thinking on your toes Spidy is superior at this stuff.FalloutJack said:
Smithnikov said:
Shao Kahn is more popular than M Bison? Blanka is more popular than Pikachu? I'm pretty sure Wolverene is more famous than Raiden, and so is Darth Vader compared to Doctor Doom.Samtemdo8 said:
There are things about Death Battle I dislike, like the results of some fights like Garra vs Toph and Kirby vs Buu, and how they don't mention some of the more ridiculous feats like the insane stuff from MGS and the fact that Deadpool is literally immortal. I also don't like that some of the fights are incredibly obvious, but it's not because a character's more famous than the other.
While yes, sometimes I feel like the more popular character is the one who's going to win, are you sure it's not confirmation bias?
Oh, I'm beyond wiki. I seen the show. However, the direction of the threat and the direction of the hidden threat were the same direction: Batman. He's not The Undefeatable Spider-Man, even though he IS amazing. This strategy was essentially a gallon of preparation for an ounce of action. It required Bats' knowledge and observations, his quick thinking and ingenuity, the use of his equipment to the fullest, the best of his martial arts to keep his opponent at bay, and a brief amount of time unobserved. All of that...for one move, in one instant, where he takes a fall and gets himself injured as a means of escape from something that could've killed them both. It's the sort of thing he would do, and Spidey would have to know anything about Batman to know that, but...it's a flatfooted encounter.PapaGreg096 said:
From the start, Peter's observations would see a man in a suit with no obvious powers and a utility belt, so he prepares for gadgets and by god, he gets them. The problem with bag-of-tricks enemies is that he doesn't know what they're going to pull out next. The Goblins, for instance. Green AND Hob. What can you expect from a flying man in a goblin suit? Do you know it's going to be exploding pumpkins or flying razors when he pulls it out of his bag? Spider-Man's method of fighting is to wait and see, then react, when he doesn't know what's coming. But when the threat is already apparent and he's in the middle of it, fighting it, his senses are already going off, and he's never heard of a bat-grenade or that a masked man will stick it to him while he's getting hit.
Again it doesn't matter what he expects because Spiderman is quick on his toes, nothing Batman has in his utility belt is going to surprise him because he pretty much seen it all and you can do so much preparation for a random encounter and minsucle of time just how Spiderman isn't undefeatable Batman isn't the god of planning even with certain prep time he still loses because his plans aren't always perfect. As for Green and Hob he beat those guys remember so he won't have that much of a problem with Batman and you can forget about Batman sticking anything to Spiderman because he can't touch himFalloutJack said:
Also the wiki tells you more than the show so its best that you read it.
It doesn't tell me more than I needed to know. Mostly, what we have here is just a small difference of opinion. I did do as you asked me to and it really could work that way. Since it required Bats to take the hit, that basically means that hitting Batman means you get the thing stuck to you. It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened. This was sort of a win by making it look like he was losing deal. To predict it requires him to be an actual mind-reader. I'm not underselling Spider-Man. I made a point to show that Bats would have to lure him in with the fact that he was dodging the webs, which are Spider-Man's main means of distance assault. Without it, he has to get close. And if he web-flings himself at the enemy, the same effect can occur.PapaGreg096 said:
"Starting to?" It's never been my cup of tea (except the Rainbow Dash vs. Starscream one). But whatever, "different strokes for different folks" and all that.
What I find far more mystifying is why so many people treat Death Battle outcomes so seriously, to the point where they go absolutely apeshit depending on who wins (Superman vs. Goku, anyone?). It's the same issue I have with people mindlessly parroting whatever dumb shit Game Theory comes up with. They're just some dudes indulging in ridiculous analyses of fictional characters, yet everyone seems to treat their verdicts as the "Word of God." In actuality, they're no more credible than average fans like these:
What I find far more mystifying is why so many people treat Death Battle outcomes so seriously, to the point where they go absolutely apeshit depending on who wins (Superman vs. Goku, anyone?). It's the same issue I have with people mindlessly parroting whatever dumb shit Game Theory comes up with. They're just some dudes indulging in ridiculous analyses of fictional characters, yet everyone seems to treat their verdicts as the "Word of God." In actuality, they're no more credible than average fans like these:
MatPat is fun to watch, but I agree that a lot of theories are half baked.Neverhoodian said:
As for the video, I honestly think Mike might be the funniest personality on the internet right now. The RedLetterMedia crew's humor is my cup of tea.
By the time Batman took that hit he would at best be fucked up and that sleight of hand crap won't work on Spidy because his Spider sense allows him to sense hidden weapons. Also you don't have to be a mind reader to predict certain strategies what you forget about Spiderman is that hes been doing this crap for over a decade and if you think the strategies can take down Spidy then he would've died years ago and as for the webbing keep in mind its very versatile and can not only be used for long range but also traps.FalloutJack said:
Like I said, he'd be sensing a near-constant flow of danger from Bats and not actually know the nature it took. He has hidden stuff all over the place. Let's not play the experience game to the man who's done it his entire life. Bruce has more. It is true that Spider-Man can also bait and trap and pull trickery with his web-slinging. It doesn't take the deductive reasoning of Batman to see what he could do with it, but it helps. There are only TWO good ways to take Spider-Man down. The first is to actually be more powerful than him, which Batman is not. The second is to be smarter than him, which Batman is. Even taking into account that Peter is quite the prodigal youth in his studies and in his innovation, chemistry is also a following of Bruce's, to the point where he keeps several different anti-toxins for various non-villain-specific poisons. It's possible he even carries a strong anti-adhesive, but I decided not to rely on that, since he isn't very often attacked with a glue gun. Still, when you master a science like chemistry or biology or geology, you can take a look at something and guess at its properties fairly quickly. They're both incredibly smart and capable on the fly. I'm saying the Bat tips the balance in that area. Remember, I'm not saying that Spider-Man isn't every bit the talented hero that he is. I just didn't find the outcome believeable.PapaGreg096 said:
As a Mortal Kombat fan, death battle has always naturally appealed to me, I very much watch them all and though the quality varies greatly, I usually enjoy them no matter what ><
Of the recent episodes, I quite enjoyed Dante vs Bayonetta, didn't care much for red vs blue cos i haven't watched that series in over a decade, and though i thought i'd love cammy vs sonya, but the animation and horrible zoom ins making for a pixelated mess ruined it for me, even if i can forgive sonya being turned into a gadget girl for some inexplicable reason (she went 9 entire mortal kombats without really needing it, projectiles were hardly a key component of her kit, yet she gets a drone in mk x and suddenly she is reliant on it to the point it's said to be a weakness if she is without it? eehhh?)
That said, I disagree with a number of people on "who is OBVIOUSLY going to win", the only matches i can think of where the results would be obvious is superman vs goku or hyabusa vs strider, and i find their reasoning to be usually somewhat logial most of the time even if i don't always agree with it (and i say that as someone who loves goku as a character whilst despising superman as being one of the lamest and most boring superheroes around so it's not like i only root for the characters i like, also wanted the pokemon character to beat the digimon one and even though he lost, i thought red was actually kinda lulzy in that fight whereas that other kid was just annoying xP).
And it's the same with Tracer vs Scout. What? You guys do realize scout is faster and more dodgy then any Overwatch character right? xD Tracer is all reliant on her blink which she can do 3 times before it needs to recharge, whereas scout is consistently faster all the time and has access to a wider range of weaponry, including the equivalent of a mc cree stunbomb which hard counters tracer. This really isn't a one sided "obvious winner" match imo.
TLDR death battle has its ups and downs, but remains a good "turn off your brain so you don't think too hard about it and enjoy it for what it is" show, though the animation quality really does yo-yo which makes some episodes just a chore to watch even though the fight should be a good one.
As for deadpool vs deathstroke.... I didn't even know about deadpool prior to that fight xD But once it was revealed that he had a sword that killed immortal/regenerative peeps whereas deathstroke didn't, how can you argue the final result and just say it's because the character was more popular?
Of the recent episodes, I quite enjoyed Dante vs Bayonetta, didn't care much for red vs blue cos i haven't watched that series in over a decade, and though i thought i'd love cammy vs sonya, but the animation and horrible zoom ins making for a pixelated mess ruined it for me, even if i can forgive sonya being turned into a gadget girl for some inexplicable reason (she went 9 entire mortal kombats without really needing it, projectiles were hardly a key component of her kit, yet she gets a drone in mk x and suddenly she is reliant on it to the point it's said to be a weakness if she is without it? eehhh?)
That said, I disagree with a number of people on "who is OBVIOUSLY going to win", the only matches i can think of where the results would be obvious is superman vs goku or hyabusa vs strider, and i find their reasoning to be usually somewhat logial most of the time even if i don't always agree with it (and i say that as someone who loves goku as a character whilst despising superman as being one of the lamest and most boring superheroes around so it's not like i only root for the characters i like, also wanted the pokemon character to beat the digimon one and even though he lost, i thought red was actually kinda lulzy in that fight whereas that other kid was just annoying xP).
And it's the same with Tracer vs Scout. What? You guys do realize scout is faster and more dodgy then any Overwatch character right? xD Tracer is all reliant on her blink which she can do 3 times before it needs to recharge, whereas scout is consistently faster all the time and has access to a wider range of weaponry, including the equivalent of a mc cree stunbomb which hard counters tracer. This really isn't a one sided "obvious winner" match imo.
TLDR death battle has its ups and downs, but remains a good "turn off your brain so you don't think too hard about it and enjoy it for what it is" show, though the animation quality really does yo-yo which makes some episodes just a chore to watch even though the fight should be a good one.
As for deadpool vs deathstroke.... I didn't even know about deadpool prior to that fight xD But once it was revealed that he had a sword that killed immortal/regenerative peeps whereas deathstroke didn't, how can you argue the final result and just say it's because the character was more popular?
I still enjoy it. Though a few of the last ones were not particularly interesting to me. Mostly because I didn't care about the fighters. Hell, the Joker vs Sweet Tooth one was a lot of fun.
Generally speaking, I usually agree with their decisions. The only ones I disagree with are Cloud vs Link, Buu vs Kirby, and Mewtwo vs Shadow. But those are minor. I'm certainly not whining on the internet about it, or in their comments all salty (despite my name).
Generally speaking, I usually agree with their decisions. The only ones I disagree with are Cloud vs Link, Buu vs Kirby, and Mewtwo vs Shadow. But those are minor. I'm certainly not whining on the internet about it, or in their comments all salty (despite my name).
Spidy still beats people who are smarter than him, look at Doc Ock or Norman Osborn you have to keep in mind Spiderman is the best Street level character Marvel has and its not because he is the best at something but rather because he is versatile to be able to beat Spiderman you can't be just one thing better than him you have to be multiple of things better than him because he can always use his other strengths to beat an opponent. Like I said while Spiderman isn't a good strategiest as Batman but he is the better at tactics and improvising.FalloutJack said:
Well, at this point, I think we have to agree to disagree, because we're out of good points and just down to personal measures of the man.PapaGreg096 said:
In part, but there was empyrical evidence and all that. A good match in Anime Fight Club - Yes, this is a thing and the first two rules state, in fact, that you will pimp it, so I am - relies on the known abilities and past experiences, the personal nuances, and even fourth-wall-breaks and humor. The most important thing is to remember to enjoy yourself and not to take it personally. I think we've both acquitted ourselves in that area.PapaGreg096 said:
Besides some of the obvious - really obvious matches - what irks me about some of the deathmatches are the ones that put a random Marvel/DC/videogame character against someone from a manga. In mangas, more often than not, laws of physics are utterly ignored, no attempt to explain how a thing happened, they simply are. So when real world physics are applied to feats from Japanese cartoons, it's equivalent to applying real world physics to Donald Duck. This skews matches deep into the realm of impossibility, favoring that character type every time - unless Superman is involved. But looking past these two things, some have been pretty entertaining, kinda like Batinthesun's matchups, though those are decided entirely on votes, giving the possibility of alternate endings if the vote was tight.