Sea Sheperd: are they right or wrong?

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Reishadowen

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Henkie36 said:
This I don't get. You are calling the country which has led the number one most polluting
countries in the world-list for the past 30 odd years, only to have been moved to second place a few years back, eco-friendly? Just because there are more tree-huggers by percentage then somewhere else, doesn't mean it's eco-friendly.
Well, pollution wasn't really where I was going with that, but while we're here (completely off-topic) probably the biggest reason we have so much pollution in the country is because we have also been possibly the most advanced of the nations, with an industry supporting the population. So of course no matter how much we cut back on industrial by-products, we are still pushing out more pollution than say, a country farming dirt and riding goats to market.

But yeah, producing industrial pollution (which the US is making more strides to eliminate every day) is side-effect of having a large industry. This is not the same thing as intentionally wiping out an entire species of sea-creatures for the hell of it.

(And no, I didn't include out outsourcing factories have counted, it gets a bit too technical and I really don't want to get into an argument like that. -_-)

Also, because I didn't actually say it last time (my bad), I personally side with the whales, though not necessarily the whale watchers. I don't know too much about these "whale watcher" people, but if they have their own "bat-boat" and try to stop fishing ships the same way hippies have themselves chained to trees to stop deforestation....I have no pity for their misfortunes caused by their own short-sightedness to say the least.
 

Casual Shinji

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Blablahb said:
Sea Shepherd is justified against the whalers, as long as they don't target people with the intent of injuring them.

And in the face of being rammed with the intention of murder, sniper assasination attemps, kidnapping, assault and destruction of property by the ruthless whalers, I think they're doing an admirable job keeping their methods as peacefull as they are.
Casual Shinji said:
All I've ever seen from Whale Wars is that fat moron lying about getting shot by the Japanse and trying to turn it into an international crisis.
And you think that an assasination attempt is pretty alright, I take it?

It's a testament to the decadence and corruption of Japan that they made no effort to catch the perpetrator, and proceeded to legalise the kidnapping of Peter Bethune and sentencing him to two years in prison in a shameless political trial.

Japan used to be a democracy with a justice system. Apparently when the decadent eating habits of the upper class come into question, that justice system ceases to exist.
Looks like the Sea Sheperd caught you hook line and sinker.
 

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They're going about it the wrong way. All the money they spend on ramming ships and attacking boats and filming for a tv show could just be spent on bribing Japanese politicians to make whaling illegal.

They're just sensationalists vying for attention instead of legitimately trying to help whales via well meaning government corruption.
 

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I don't really like the idea of commerical whaling when the whale population has been heavily damaged. I'm more of a conservationist in view point while the Sea Shepherd and many of these activists are preservationists.

While I think the Japanese need to lay off the whaling a little, I think the Sea Shepherd is doing everything wrong when it comes to opposing the whaling industry. They are basically saboteurs and terrorists when it comes to some of their tactics.
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Watch the South Park episode "Whale Whores". That about sums up my thoughts on them.
I just watch that South Park episode because of your post. =D

That's some funny sh!t.
 

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They're right in their efforts, but they are wrong in implementation. Very wrong, those are the most useless protesters ever.
 

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Whaling is illegal, so it's very hard to be on whalers side.

Japanese whaling for a scientific research is a joke, and many countries believe for a good reason that it is just a front for commercial whaling.

So okay, both sides here are criminals, but whalers are worse ones.
 

Korolev

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It depends. The Whaling Japan is doing isn't good, since many of the Whales are endangered.

However, what the Sea Shepherd does is counter-productive. In actual fact, the whaling industry in Japan is dying. It's been dying for a long while. Virtually no one buys Whale-Meat anymore. The Japanese people very rarely eat it. The "research" that the Japanese claim as the reason for hunting the Whales is of little value.

But the Japanese are a proud people. I know it's a stereotype, but I've lived among Asian people my whole life, in conjunction to being half-asian myself. They value face. They value their pride. One of the reasons they continue whaling, is precisely because they see a bunch of white people calling them savages for doing it. No matter what, they do not want to be seen "caving in" to the Sea Shepherd folks. A lot of Japanese people honestly feel as if they are being insulted by the Sea Shepherd, and I don't know if you know Japanese people, but if you tell them they can't do something and that they are "savages", odds are that they will turn around and do MORE OF IT. JUST. TO. SPITE. YOU.

It's not a uniquely Japanese thing either. The US still uses cluster bombs, and many Americans actually proudly boasted of that fact after the UN tried to get them to stop using it. Many Americans said "OH YEAH! YOU THINK YOU CAN TELL US WHAT TO DO! WELL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVEN MORE! SO THERE! IN.YOUR.FACE!!!!.

The Japanese aren't even really all that keen on Whaling. As I've said, the industry is dying. Without Government support, the industry would completely die. They sustain the industry, precisely because we tell them not to. They feel that their honour is being insulted and that they are being told to, like children, to stop something that they've been doing for ages.

Americans and Australians: You don't like being told, DEMANDED to stop things that others consider barbaric. Many Vegetarians and some Hindus believe that the Cattle Industry in Australia is similarly "barbaric". Many Australians would not like Indians ramming the ships transporting our cattle to Indonesia while chanting "SHAME, SHAME AUSTRALIA!", now would we?

The Japanese also believe there is a racial element to this: that they are being targeted because they are Asian. Frankly, I've seen some talk from the Captain of the Sea Shepherd himself that indicates that he does not like Japanese folk very much. His language and tone while specifically addressing the Japanese is NOT helpful.

The Australian government has ACTUALLY made some good strides in reducing the amount of whaling that is being carried out. It's certainly no where near the level that it was in the early 20th century. And we got that reduction by TALKING to the Japanese and reaching an agreement as equal nations. NOT by insulting them and screaming at them.

Frankly, I really do think that many of the Sea Shepherd's antics are designed more to bolster their own ego and sense of self-righteousness. They get a little noble thrill every time they harass the Japanese. For them, results don't matter. It's the THRILL, it's the NOBLE FEELING, it's the ANTICS that matter. They are more in it for their own smug sense of self-satisfaction than to make any real, tangible progress. And their tactics are dangerous, and getting more dangerous with every passing year.

The Australian Press ignores them now. Most animal welfare charities ignore them. The Japanese government doesn't listen to them, and the Australian people have long since grown tired of them. I know I have. I donate to the WWF. They are a good organization that often GET RESULTS, THROUGH HARD WORK. Not an organization dedicated to GRAND STANDING for the sake of ATTENTION and EGO, which is what the Sea Shepherd is.