Sequels too good compared to previous game..
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Jak 2, Uncharted 2 and Assassins Creed 2.
I thoght Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, was okay, but I didn't enjoy their kind of free-world. Then Jak2 came along and gave us the perfect kind of free-world and great overall gameplay.
I enjoyed Uncharted: Drake's Fortune a bit, but it dragged on for way too long with their gunfights, and it was at the point where I had been shooting bad guys for so long I hoped for a cutscene to come, just to avoid having to play the game. That is not a good sign.
Uncharted 2 on the other hand took away the reppetitiveness with more interesting platforming, always going on with a companion alongside of you for some fun dialog along the way. There are alot of gun-fights, sure, but they made the really long ones interesting with alot of stuff happending mid-fight (Like a Hellicopter, or a tank suddenly coming out of nowhere to get you, really spices the game up).
And lastly there is Assassins Creed. I fucking hated Assassins Creed. There were 3 mission types that dragged on forever, and to find them you had to climb up the tallest freakin' tower in all of the land, very slowly...1534324 times. It also didn't help that on your way to the towers you would always be chased by guards for breaking the running speed limit apparently. And even if you thought you got away from them and start to climb up the tower, there's still a chance of them seeing you and throw a rock at you, causing you to fall down, then having to kill them, and then persuing to climb the fucking tower.
Assassins Creed 2 improved on all of this. They added alot of different mission types, although there are more than enough of escort missions, and not in the usual faschion of having to protect them. No, in these escort missions, all you do is walk to a set point very slowly while listening to your companions having a boring chat.
But the games still improved. They've made it possible to skip climbing the fucking towers this time, so that you'll only have to climb them if you want to know where the vendors are, or the hidden boxes with cash.
While yes, the vendors and cash boxes are good to know where they are, it's not as annoying to climb the fucking towers this time around. Ubisoft finally decided to add a fast climb button, which I've never be able to continue on without.
I thoght Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, was okay, but I didn't enjoy their kind of free-world. Then Jak2 came along and gave us the perfect kind of free-world and great overall gameplay.
I enjoyed Uncharted: Drake's Fortune a bit, but it dragged on for way too long with their gunfights, and it was at the point where I had been shooting bad guys for so long I hoped for a cutscene to come, just to avoid having to play the game. That is not a good sign.
Uncharted 2 on the other hand took away the reppetitiveness with more interesting platforming, always going on with a companion alongside of you for some fun dialog along the way. There are alot of gun-fights, sure, but they made the really long ones interesting with alot of stuff happending mid-fight (Like a Hellicopter, or a tank suddenly coming out of nowhere to get you, really spices the game up).
And lastly there is Assassins Creed. I fucking hated Assassins Creed. There were 3 mission types that dragged on forever, and to find them you had to climb up the tallest freakin' tower in all of the land, very slowly...1534324 times. It also didn't help that on your way to the towers you would always be chased by guards for breaking the running speed limit apparently. And even if you thought you got away from them and start to climb up the tower, there's still a chance of them seeing you and throw a rock at you, causing you to fall down, then having to kill them, and then persuing to climb the fucking tower.
Assassins Creed 2 improved on all of this. They added alot of different mission types, although there are more than enough of escort missions, and not in the usual faschion of having to protect them. No, in these escort missions, all you do is walk to a set point very slowly while listening to your companions having a boring chat.
But the games still improved. They've made it possible to skip climbing the fucking towers this time, so that you'll only have to climb them if you want to know where the vendors are, or the hidden boxes with cash.
While yes, the vendors and cash boxes are good to know where they are, it's not as annoying to climb the fucking towers this time around. Ubisoft finally decided to add a fast climb button, which I've never be able to continue on without.
I had the same problem, having not owned AC1, only having played a bit of it at a friend's. But after playing a little of AC2, I couldn't bring myself to play 1 just for the story. That's what wikipedia's for, right?Frequen-Z said:
So yeah, sequels better than the originals:
Assassin's Creed 2
Mass Effect 2
Gears of War 2
Half life 2
Lego Star Wars 2... don't judge me!
And, despite the fact that it's a film rather than a game, The Empire Strikes Back rather than A New Hope. Also episode 3 is better than episode 2, but that's not hard...
EDIT: Also Pokemon Gold/Silver were better than Red/Blue. As I already said, don't judge me! (please)
Wasn't this about sequels being TOO good compared to the original, opposed to merely an improvement?
Streetfighter 2. Excellent, genre defining sequel to a poor original.
This thing is pretty rare. Most of the originals mentioned here are classics already and worth playing.
Streetfighter 2. Excellent, genre defining sequel to a poor original.
This thing is pretty rare. Most of the originals mentioned here are classics already and worth playing.
Assassin's Creed 2 for sure. I played through the first and hated almost everything about it, except the story. And the story was enough to make me buy the second and see what was happening. I don't think the story was as strong in the second, but everything else was vastly improved. Hopefully they get everything right with the third.
This is an excellent example. I ran out of steam long before I reached the end of AC1 yet I continue playing AC2. There are improvements on all fronts as far as I'm concerned.Frequen-Z said:
That said, video games often express this trend. Thief II was better in every respect from Thief I, Mechwarrior 3 is better than 1 and 2, and so on.
Really? I had a part in Mordin's clinic where my character floated up and out of the level and even saving and reloading wouldn't fix it, ended up having to do the mission again to get back to the clinic and avoid the glitchy part. Also noticed much worse jumps and disappearances of character models during conversations than in the first.Abedeus said:
Also, are you sure the overheat bug was actually a bug in the first game? I'm assuming you mean when it occasionally stops cooling down... That's an enemy using the overload ability.
Thing is, I still miss a lot of things... The thermal clips can get fucked, I never needed them in the first game once I had my upgraded Spectre gear, so their codex explanation for it just annoyed me further. I'm probably one of the few people who actually liked the Mako, it was just the environments you drive around in I found boring. And WHY THE FUCK REGENERATIVE HEALTH?!
But oh well, despite my qualms, I completed the game last night after several multi hour sessions over the last week, although that pissed me off too because Mordin and Legion died, despite me hearing about how it would be obvious who would die and who wouldn't at the end... Kind of weird considering I had no idea that either character would end up dead.
Never happened to me. Disappearance of models? I think it happened once, but it was a very short sentence, I think with Tali.RYjet911 said:
Yeah, I've read so on the official forums too. But I don't remember every single boss having the Overload ability. It was particularly frustrating with Saren, since he is a long fight without quick-saves.
Actually, with me playing Morrowind first I have a hard time with Oblivion. Oblivion certainly has better combat but I don't think anything else can compare.electric_warrior said:
Haha, really? I love opinions! I'm actually of the opinion that Elemental Evil is the best D&D game ever made. Well, other than Planescape but that game is pretty well on it's own plateau of awesome.gim73 said:
If a sequel 'ruins' (I think it's stupid to use the word 'ruin' here, since it didn't actually make the first game any worse) the previous game, isn't that a good thing? I mean, it's really bad if part 1 is a good game and part 2 is worse. You'd have no reason to ever play part 2, and if you did you wouldn't enjoy it so much. If part 1 was great and part 2 was better, you can first fully enjoy part 1, and when part 2 is out you can fully enjoy that.Abedeus said:
On-topic:
- Jagged Alliance 2
- Saints Row 2
- Baldur's Gate 2
...just to name a few
Sims 2 and Sims 1. There's a small number of people who would bite my head off for saying t but well, good for them. Two had such incredible complexity. Number 3 has a sufficiently large number of bugs that it's currently ruining the experience for me unfortunately so I don't really feel qualified to comment.
