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Hiphophippo said:
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Really? You enjoyed NWN more than NWN 2? Without the expansions it's nigh on unplayable. Vanilla NWN is down there with Temple of Elemental Evil as one of the worst D&D games on the PC. NWN 2 was a HUGE step up by comparison.
Haha, really? I love opinions! I'm actually of the opinion that Elemental Evil is the best D&D game ever made. Well, other than Planescape but that game is pretty well on it's own plateau of awesome.
Gameplay-wise, I have to agree that ToEE is the best D&D game ever made. Story-wise... not so much.

I do prefer NWN2 over NWN1 in every single way except the multiplayer aspect, but as you said, lol opinions.
 

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I'll agree with you on that.. i never cared for saints row, but for some reason 2 just felt good
 

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hURR dURR dERP said:
Hiphophippo said:
gim73 said:
Really? You enjoyed NWN more than NWN 2? Without the expansions it's nigh on unplayable. Vanilla NWN is down there with Temple of Elemental Evil as one of the worst D&D games on the PC. NWN 2 was a HUGE step up by comparison.
Haha, really? I love opinions! I'm actually of the opinion that Elemental Evil is the best D&D game ever made. Well, other than Planescape but that game is pretty well on it's own plateau of awesome.
Gameplay-wise, I have to agree that ToEE is the best D&D game ever made. Story-wise... not so much.

I do prefer NWN2 over NWN1 in every single way except the multiplayer aspect, but as you said, lol opinions.
Ack, gameplay wise ToEE was HORRID. Pathing was the worst I have EVER seen it. Attacks of opportunity were so broken. One of the best strategies in that game was to stay where you were and let the enemy come to you, because going to them was just a recipe for disaster.

Now if you wanna know the best 3rd edition D&D game out there, look no further than Icewind dale 2. Great storyline, solid gameplay, the whole package! The first game was great also, but 2 took it to a whole new level. It was challenging, but it wasn't the broken gameplay that made it challenging. I still remember one of the early levels with goblins on wargs that would use drums to summon reinforcements so you had to rush in and attack the drums, but there were traps so you had to be careful. The little recon missions with my stealthed thief to make sure that enemies were not gonna jump me beyond the fog. It's one of those games where each battle can be a chancey thing, so you save whenever you can. Despite the fact that it is on a weighted points based stat system, it remains up in the top 5 PC games of all time for me.

Speaking of which, no D&D list is complete without saying that Baldurs gate 2 is the best of all time. Just in case you are wondering NWN fans, I don't play multiplayer, so single player campeigns are what I base everything off of. Now the original BG was a good game, and well worth playing, but BG2 just blew your mind. Only Morrowind comes close to the number of hundreds of hours spent playing this game. There is just so much to do, and combinations of parties to try in certain areas. Dragons, mindflayers, drow, vampires, golems and a wide assortment of enemies block your path, and like Icewind dale 2, it was sometimes frustratingly challenging, but not broken in gameplay. The strange thing is, I only bothered to play thone of baal through once, even after all the time I spent playing shadows of amn. I just felt that the game really didn't need an expansion. It was neat to see it concluded, but I almost would rather just play the original over and over.
 

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Assassin's Creed 2 is a lot better than the original, and I'm also loving Bad Company 2 a little more than the original as well....and that's just from a one map demo.
 

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pixiejedi said:
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KOTOR2 I can't remember specifically why because it's been a while now, but I just remember trying to replay the first one and thinking "I'd rather be playing 2".
I would agree with you, until you got into about the last couple hours of the game. While maybe not fulfilling (to me at least) at least KOTOR actually ended. That still annoys me :<
I'm rather ashamed to admit that I never managed to beat KOTOR2. I was at the final fight but had speccd my character so that I constantly had to be popping buffs and in a one-on-one final fight I found it impossible to win. Also, my futher run-throughs ended up being frustrated by computer crashes and real life getting in the way. I might just pick it up and play it again now though... hmm...
 

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Mass Effect 2 also. Although I HATE the new combat system. I love the lack of pointless MAKO-ing around big empty planets.

Assassin's Creed 2. Better in nearly all ways.

Saint's Row 2. Infinite ammo, without cheats. 'nuff said

Jak 2. The original was just a platformer...

Ratchet & Clank 2. Now with much better controls! And weapons upgrading! And arenas!
 

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the most recent example of this is Assassin's Creed 2. While the ending was a murky mish-mash of religious and philosophical hocus-pocus, the game itself is FAR superior to the first installment.

and hey, you get in a fist fight with the pope.
 

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Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Devil May Cry 2 and 3 (Even if the boss fights were slightly more nerve wracking)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (see Devil May Cry opinion)
 

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mannsporte said:
Baldur's Gate 2 some would say but I still prefer the first one for some unexplainable reason...Of course the second one is better in many many ways...

Games that are way too superior to the first game
Gothic 2
Fable 2
Fallout 2

hmm and Splinter Cell < Pandora Tomorrow < Chaos Theory < Double Agent...(that is merely my opinion of course...)

and Thief 2: Metal Age...
Reaaaaally? You prefer Fable II? Wow...I'm shocked. Really.

I'd have to say Silent Hill 2. Goofy paranormal story didn't really appeal to me, despite my undying love for the series. NO. Not it's bastard children.
 

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gim73 said:
hURR dURR dERP said:
Hiphophippo said:
gim73 said:
Really? You enjoyed NWN more than NWN 2? Without the expansions it's nigh on unplayable. Vanilla NWN is down there with Temple of Elemental Evil as one of the worst D&D games on the PC. NWN 2 was a HUGE step up by comparison.
Haha, really? I love opinions! I'm actually of the opinion that Elemental Evil is the best D&D game ever made. Well, other than Planescape but that game is pretty well on it's own plateau of awesome.
Gameplay-wise, I have to agree that ToEE is the best D&D game ever made. Story-wise... not so much.

I do prefer NWN2 over NWN1 in every single way except the multiplayer aspect, but as you said, lol opinions.
Ack, gameplay wise ToEE was HORRID. Pathing was the worst I have EVER seen it. Attacks of opportunity were so broken. One of the best strategies in that game was to stay where you were and let the enemy come to you, because going to them was just a recipe for disaster.
AoOs are in the rules.
You fault a D&D game for doing something from D&D correctly? This is something you should've expected from a turnbased 3.5E game.
 

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Timesplitters 2 vs Timesplitters. A story addded makes a huge difference.
And the rest! Timesplitters 2 was such a massive improvement on the first game, probably my bad i played the 2nd one before the original though..

Shame the 3rd got a little too ambitious story-wise too.
 

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mannsporte said:
Chaos Theory < Double Agent...(that is merely my opinion of course...)
You really liked Double Agent more? Hmmm, I may have to try it out after all. Chaos Theory was one of my favorite games last gen.
lee1287 said:
That would have been my example of a sequel that went downhill, the first game ruled. Fear 2 not so much. Entirely my opinion though.

Uncharted 2, God of War 2, Assassins Creed 2, Bad Company 2 is looking like it.
 

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Simple answer for me would be: The story. I only play Jak and Daxter because of the awesome and funny story.
 

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MayOrMayNotBeMurloc said:
Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Devil May Cry 2 and 3 (Even if the boss fights were slightly more nerve wracking)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (see Devil May Cry opinion)
are you saying that dmc2 is superior to 1? or are you just saying that dmc3 is better than 2? because 2 was an epic fail and almost made me not buy 3. seriously im not even going to say "imo" because i think its pretty much common knowledge that dmc2 is utter shit and certainly not superior to the original. i will agree however that 3 is the best in the series. BTW welcome to the escapist! its safer here.
 

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KOTOR 2, I played the first afterwards and although it was still awesome it just felt a little lacking in comparison.