Serial Killer Round 70: Soviet Submarine Slaughter!
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With some luck you'll be right twice this round. >Caramel Frappe said:
Dirty Cop James funs said:
Ahh okay. I wasn't sure why you'd mention it aloud to all but it makes sense now.snekadid said:
The Spy getting killed really didn't do us any favors but the Priest can still help us out here. A little upset the Medic didn't protect the Spy from getting killed. We had all narrowed down the list of potential Spies down really small - they could've just protected all of them. This was an almost perfect time for them to use their ability. Maybe they had already protected Headsprouter last round?
But my vote from last round still stands. I still think EvilRoyComrade(?) is the most suspicious.
But my vote from last round still stands. I still think EvilRoyComrade(?) is the most suspicious.
I changed my country to fit the mood! It's true dedication. If only you would have done the same...Dirty Cop James funs said:@Secondhand Adulterer:
*Le checks profile*
Eh? Since when were you part of the Russian Federation?
I'd completely forgotten about the medic. I suppose remembering wouldn't have helped since it would have been too risky to try and alert the medic to the spy's identity for obvious reasons (given we didn't know the killer had already PMed Snekadid at thst point)gritch said:
You're probably just EvilRoy's depressed lawyer here to kill me again. Though if EvilRoy isn't the killer I do expect I might be killed due to how vocal I am. Also logically if we are going with the idea the killer voted for dirty cop I am one of the four who did. To clear it with decent certainty we'd have to kill at least 3 on that list and find no lawyers or killersArmadox said:
@SadFrappe: Actually, thinking it over, we should still be able to get TWO Spy questions. If the Spy is revived in this very cycle, and asks a question, he cannot be killed again in the next killing cycle due to the rules of the Priest. After that, the Medic can protect Headsprouter, and he would live for one additional cycle. And then he would already be able to ask another question, after which he is immediately killed.
Now if all of the roles just use their abilities correctly, this should all work, right?
Maybe I should just post this in the chat for a higher likelihood of people actually reading it...
Now if all of the roles just use their abilities correctly, this should all work, right?
Maybe I should just post this in the chat for a higher likelihood of people actually reading it...
I'd just like to point out that last round, the GM ruled that "next execution" meant the event, not the round as far as when a revived player is immune to being killed. So just in case we get a similar ruling here, it might be in the best interest of the Priest to wait until after the vote has been tallied so that the Spy will actually be immune from the Killer next cycle.
No, that wasn't my complaint. My complaint is that by that interpretation of the rules, the Spy doesn't even get one more question if the Priest uses his ability before a vote is called. Remember that a Spy question doesn't get answered until after the Killer and Medic act, while the Priest can use his ability at any time.Demagogue said:
By the last round's interpretation, if the Priest uses his ability during a voting phase, the Spy essentially gets zero immunity, since the Killer will not get to act until after the immunity expires. But if the Priest waits until after the execution, there's always the chance that the Killer will take him out before he is able to use his ability at all. Pretty much the only "good" time for the Priest to act under last round's interpretation would be after the vote is called, but before the executed makes their death post. And even then the situation is less than ideal since the Priest might end up being the one executed.
My opinion is that Resurrection immunity should be tied not to the act of execution, but rather the phase of voting/execution. By that interpretation, the Priest can actually act at any time, and the Spy would actually be immune for the opportunity to ask exactly one question. Some potential scenarios:
1. Priest uses ability during voting phase. Resurrected is immune during next Killer phase and can ask one question. Immunity ends next voting phase.
2. Priest uses ability during Killer phase prior to Killer acting. Resurrected is immune for this Killer phase and can ask one question. Immunity ends next voting phase.
3. Pries waits until after Killer acts, then uses ability in hopes of getting a freebie question for the Spy. Doesn't work, because immunity still ends in the next voting phase. Either the Spy acts quickly before next phase is announced and gets a question in or loses his immunity fruitlessly because the Priest was trying to be "clever."
In my interpretation, the ability works as intended in all cases, with the only possible glitch being due to a Priest shooting himself in the foot trying to game the system. In the other interpretation, the Priest has to game the system because there's only a very narrow window in which his ability acts as intended despite it nominally being available at any time. Basically, the previous interpretation makes that availability a trap.
I've been thinking about this for a couple rounds now, but:
There is no advantage for the Killer to kill the Spy before the priest is dead. Think about it.
Killer kills spy, priest revives spy, spy gets one question in. Provided the list cuts out even only 25% of potential suspects, killer loses pretty much automatically. It might be a long, corpse-filled slog, but it's just math. The only way Plan: Kill the Spy works is if A) the Spy hasn't released any info yet, and B) the Priest is dead. I mean, yeah, Headsprouter didn't post any info before their untimely demise, but after resurrection any list from Head means we win.
Unless we execute the Priest. And a couple folks have been really fixated on Roy...
There is no advantage for the Killer to kill the Spy before the priest is dead. Think about it.
Killer kills spy, priest revives spy, spy gets one question in. Provided the list cuts out even only 25% of potential suspects, killer loses pretty much automatically. It might be a long, corpse-filled slog, but it's just math. The only way Plan: Kill the Spy works is if A) the Spy hasn't released any info yet, and B) the Priest is dead. I mean, yeah, Headsprouter didn't post any info before their untimely demise, but after resurrection any list from Head means we win.
Unless we execute the Priest. And a couple folks have been really fixated on Roy...
Which is why we have the doppelganger role, because this way the spy can potentially not decrease the list at all depending on the question and who the doppelganger is.altnameJag said:
I have a question, are people saying they're voting for roy because they think he is the killer, or because he has the word evil in his name?
I'm willing to not kill Roy if he comes out as the priest and revives the spy. Depending on the ruling as far as how long immunity lasts, since if it lasts the way Dema would want it to last he should just revive the spy right now if he's the priest.altnameJag said:
Caramel Frappe said:
I'm voting for Roy because I think the killer would team up on one of the names thrown out there as being voted on and gritch has a point. Roy is one of the four who voted for DCJF and gritch's reasoning makes him most likely in that pool.snekadid said:
You make it sound like a bad thing that people are following gritch, Caramel. If he has a good reason why Roy is a good suspect shouldn't we also go along?
I'm definitely not voting based on the evil in his name.