He gets one round of immunity, if he gets ressed now, the killer can kill him next round. The priest should wait cause i'm not giving bonus rounds of immunity.
And that's a messed up interpretation from my perspective. What bonus round? If the Priest resurrects the Spy now, he gets zero immunity. Not one round of immunity. None. If that's the way that the ability is going to be interpreted, then why even give the Priest the ability to use his ability at any time? It makes the ability a trap for any Priest that isn't paying very close attention to the specifics of the rules. In particular, it makes it a trap for new players because it's a drawback that isn't explicitly stated in the rules, and relies on GM interpretation, which isn't really a good thing since even in the few rounds I've played in, the GMs have messed up on occasion.
He gets one round of immunity, if he gets ressed now, the killer can kill him next round. The priest should wait cause i'm not giving bonus rounds of immunity.
And that's a messed up interpretation from my perspective. What bonus round? If the Priest resurrects the Spy now, he gets zero immunity. Not one round of immunity. None. If that's the way that the ability is going to be interpreted, then why even give the Priest the ability to use his ability at any time? It makes the ability a trap for any Priest that isn't paying very close attention to the specifics of the rules. In particular, it makes it a trap for new players because it's a drawback that isn't explicitly stated in the rules, and relies on GM interpretation, which isn't really a good thing since even in the few rounds I've played in, the GMs have messed up on occasion.
Its bonus because you're trying to get a second question of immunity, which isn't how it works and as GM I'm not accepting gaming of the system. The spirit of it is that it allows a spy that's been revealed a chance to get one more question out and share it. Either he doesn't get to ask a question this round because it's past the time he should be asking them, or he can ask a question and then be vulnerable next round.
Umm... snekadid... this really isn't a question the GM should be asking. One, people could take it as a hint of who is being voted for. Two, we can vote for whomever we please... I could vote for Aerosteam because he is a robot... (in fact I think that got him a few votes in my GM round) we are playing a round with very little facts people are going to do as they please. If it is voting on someone because of their name that is no better or worse than rolling a random dice like Jester did, or the randomness that Armadox usually does.
He gets one round of immunity, if he gets ressed now, the killer can kill him next round. The priest should wait cause i'm not giving bonus rounds of immunity.
And that's a messed up interpretation from my perspective. What bonus round? If the Priest resurrects the Spy now, he gets zero immunity. Not one round of immunity. None. If that's the way that the ability is going to be interpreted, then why even give the Priest the ability to use his ability at any time? It makes the ability a trap for any Priest that isn't paying very close attention to the specifics of the rules. In particular, it makes it a trap for new players because it's a drawback that isn't explicitly stated in the rules, and relies on GM interpretation, which isn't really a good thing since even in the few rounds I've played in, the GMs have messed up on occasion.
Its bonus because you're trying to get a second question of immunity, which isn't how it works and as GM I'm not accepting gaming of the system. The spirit of it is that it allows a spy that's been revealed a chance to get one more question out and share it. Either he doesn't get to ask a question this round because it's past the time he should be asking them, or he can ask a question and then be vulnerable next round.
Well he will still get two questions in due to the medic. It's just more awkward timing since the priest has to wait until right after the vote for the priest immunity to ever count.
I'm fine with the ruling, just pointing out he can get 2 questions in.
This was always how I took spy. I am new, so take it with a grain of salt.
*Theoretically*, the spy should already have a question pending and we would res him to allow an answer. This round has an issue with the PM, but the same holds that the spy already should have a question queued up this round. Once he gets rezzed, an answer to that question is sent and he can be killed next round. The immunity for "next execution" ends after this one now.
If the spy dies on a round where their ability is on cooldown (or more accurately gets rezzed on said round), it's really a waste of the priest.
Edit @Secondhand Revenant: The spy can't ask questions two rounds in a row. Priest rez turn is a question, but then he has to live through two murders to get his second question answered.
He gets one round of immunity, if he gets ressed now, the killer can kill him next round. The priest should wait cause i'm not giving bonus rounds of immunity.
And that's a messed up interpretation from my perspective. What bonus round? If the Priest resurrects the Spy now, he gets zero immunity. Not one round of immunity. None. If that's the way that the ability is going to be interpreted, then why even give the Priest the ability to use his ability at any time? It makes the ability a trap for any Priest that isn't paying very close attention to the specifics of the rules. In particular, it makes it a trap for new players because it's a drawback that isn't explicitly stated in the rules, and relies on GM interpretation, which isn't really a good thing since even in the few rounds I've played in, the GMs have messed up on occasion.
Its bonus because you're trying to get a second question of immunity, which isn't how it works and as GM I'm not accepting gaming of the system. The spirit of it is that it allows a spy that's been revealed a chance to get one more question out and share it. Either he doesn't get to ask a question this round because it's past the time he should be asking them, or he can ask a question and then be vulnerable next round.
How does he get a second question? A Spy's question doesn't get answered until after he is confirmed not murdered by the Killer. Under your interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he loses immunity from the Killer, meaning zero questions get answered, not one. Under my phase interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he is immune for the next Killer phase, giving him one question, and then he loses immunity, so no bonus questions.
Under my interpretation of the rules, there are no circumstances when the Spy is immune for 2 questions, and almost every situation where the Priest isn't being particularly dense will leave the Spy immune for one question. Under your interpretation, there are almost no circumstances in which the Spy is immune for any questions. After an execution is called and before the Killer acts. That's it. Any other time, and that aspect of the Priest ability is entirely irrelevant.
Well he will still get two questions in due to the medic. It's just more awkward timing since the priest has to wait until right after the vote for the priest immunity to ever count.
I'm fine with the ruling, just pointing out he can get 2 questions in.
Its true, he could, if the medics paying attention he can get 2 turns. I'm just not going to expand the immunity and allow the spy to ask a question in the same round. Honestly I dont think they should be able to ask while votings going on because then it wouldn't matter and the question of trying to get bonus questions wouldn't be a issue.
How does he get a second question? A Spy's question doesn't get answered until after he is confirmed not murdered by the Killer. Under your interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he loses immunity from the Killer, meaning zero questions get answered, not one. Under my phase interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he is immune for the next Killer phase, giving him one question, and then he loses immunity, so no bonus questions.
Under my interpretation of the rules, there are no circumstances when the Spy is immune for 2 questions, and almost every situation where the Priest isn't being particularly dense will leave the Spy immune for one question. Under your interpretation, there are almost no circumstances in which the Spy is immune for any questions. After an execution is called and before the Killer acts. That's it. Any other time, and that aspect of the Priest ability is entirely irrelevant.
People were talking about bringing the spy back so he can ask a question this round, or atleast thats what I read on the past pages. I agree with the can only ask during the roles phase, which is why i came down on the priest issue. If I misunderstood what people were talking about or they were just wrong, thats fine, I dont care then if the priest does the deed now, I was just preventing bonus questions.
Well he will still get two questions in due to the medic. It's just more awkward timing since the priest has to wait until right after the vote for the priest immunity to ever count.
I'm fine with the ruling, just pointing out he can get 2 questions in.
Its true, he could, if the medics paying attention he can get 2 turns. I'm just not going to expand the immunity and allow the spy to ask a question in the same round. Honestly I dont think they should be able to ask while votings going on because then it wouldn't matter and the question of trying to get bonus questions wouldn't be a issue.
I think you're misunderstanding what people want. They don't want the spy to be able to ask a question now, they don't want it to be more inconvenient for the priest to rez now instead of right after voting.
They want the priest to be able to rez him now and have immunity to being killed by the killer instead of it expiring now before it ever is useful. The spy would get his question at the usual time.
The alternative being that the priest resurrects him immediately after the voting, the immunity doesn't expire until the end of the round, he gets a question then.
This was always how I took spy. I am new, so take it with a grain of salt.
*Theoretically*, the spy should already have a question pending and we would res him to allow an answer. This round has an issue with the PM, but the same holds that the spy already should have a question queued up this round. Once he gets rezzed, an answer to that question is sent and he can be killed next round. The immunity for "next execution" ends after this one now.
If the spy dies on a round where their ability is on cooldown (or more accurately gets rezzed on said round), it's really a waste of the priest.
A question is answered only when the Killer and the Medic have activated their roles. It will not be answered if the Spy is the Killer's target and is not saved by the Medic.
Since the Spy got killed, the question didn't get answered. It isn't pending. The Spy could certainly ask the same question if he wanted, but he could also change it in light of new developments. But he doesn't automatically get a previous question answered. That could lead to weird interpretations that give the Spy more questions than he should get. Basically, since no questions got answered, the Spy effectively hasn't used his ability. If he used it in the next Killer cycle, that would be his first use, and then he'd have to wait two cycles before he could ask another.
How does he get a second question? A Spy's question doesn't get answered until after he is confirmed not murdered by the Killer. Under your interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he loses immunity from the Killer, meaning zero questions get answered, not one. Under my phase interpretation, if the Spy gets ressed now, he is immune for the next Killer phase, giving him one question, and then he loses immunity, so no bonus questions.
Under my interpretation of the rules, there are no circumstances when the Spy is immune for 2 questions, and almost every situation where the Priest isn't being particularly dense will leave the Spy immune for one question. Under your interpretation, there are almost no circumstances in which the Spy is immune for any questions. After an execution is called and before the Killer acts. That's it. Any other time, and that aspect of the Priest ability is entirely irrelevant.
People were talking about bringing the spy back so he can ask a question this round, or atleast thats what I read on the past pages. I agree with the can only ask during the roles phase, which is why i came down on the priest issue. If I misunderstood what people were talking about or they were just wrong, thats fine, I dont care then if the priest does the deed now, I was just preventing bonus questions.
Yeah, I'm not arguing for increased Spy utility. I'm arguing for the Priest's ability doing what it indicates, rather than a different thing depending on when it's used. It really shouldn't matter when the Spy asks his question since - as I mentioned previously - the question doesn't get answered until the Killer has acted anyway. In fact, the rules don't mention when the Spy can ask; only when the GM answers. It works out the same either way.
*4 or so days later* Huh... Yet again, the people I vote for never die, anyway...
@Caramel Frappe: Well, I can go into more details about Equesria LA itself, especially regarding this year in comparison to the other years, through PM if you want, but I will say that it's not "that" big considering it takes place in a hotel than in an actual convention center... However, the line to get a free autograph from Lauren Faust, for example, gave certain people flashbacks about some of the lines from Anime Expo...
@Demagogue: Time to bust this conspriocy regarding myself wide open... 4(?) days late! WOO!! *ahem* I mean, I had no part in voting for [user]EvilRoy[/user], [user]Dirty Cop James funs[/user], or [user]Caramel Frappe[/user], at least... Also, <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/362.881148.22218241>this post already clears up how I honestly vote in the first place...
Remember, don't let post like <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/362.881148.22219422>this one fool you when they're coming from me...
NEVAH! When the RNG god tells you to do something, you damn well do it to the best of your ability... or, I don't know, "decline" the role beforehand so that your death doesn't start off in vain...
@Scars Unseen: I kinda like having the Priest's revival perk last a full-blown cycle continuing through the next upcoming cycle unless it was activated during the beginning of a particular cycle... That way, the Killer can't kill who was revived until the next full cycle unless the Medic does their "thang" during that cycle, for example...
@Scars: Sorry, I meant my explanation was for rezzing a spy the same round they die. There was some concern over getting to ask another question (since the spy can only ask a question in the kill phase), and I always thought if a spy was rezzed within the round they just got their original answer.
*shrug* It seems we aren't getting the priest to help us this round anyway so the finer points are moot for now. I've already voted, as I'm guessing most have. This game has certainly felt like one with all of the "good" roles afk.
@GMKIttyComrade: There seems to be a lot of issues stemming from ambiguity of the rules. I agree that I hate it when and my players right to game the system but if the system isn't airtight someone's definitely going to try to do it. Might I propose some slight modifications to a few role for subsequent rounds of SK? Mostly just need to clarify when a role activates its ability.
[HEADING=3]
The Arbiter[/HEADING]
This role has the power to instantly execute one other player without the need of a vote. The Arbiter may decide during the voting phase to include a name of someone they would like executed along with their vote. If after tallying votes both the Arbiter and the chosen target are alive, the Arbiter's ability is activated - the Arbiter sacrifices themselves to immediately execute their chosen target. If either the Arbiter or their target are not alive by the end of tallying votes this ability is not activated. People executed by the Arbiter are ineligible for revival by the Priest.
An arbiter who uses their ability and whoever is killed by it do not have to write a death post (although they still can). This ability must be used before the seventh cycle of the game.
Rewrote the Arbiter rules to basically just highlight when they use their ability. Also since when a Spy asks a question isn't necessarily public knowledge I thought it'd change the condition to it having to be used before the 7th cycle. That should be the cycle after the Spy has asked their 3 questions assuming they didn't forget to use their ability. And with their ability working at the very end of the cycle it didn't make sense to include that it can't be used until cycle 2.
[HEADING=3]The Priest[/HEADING]
The Priest's role is an interesting one. They have the power to sacrifice themselves to resurrect someone who was murdered in a previous cycle. Those that have been executed are ineligible for revival by the Priest. When someone is resurrected everyone in the round becomes aware of any role that the resurrected player may have.
A resurrected Arbiter cannot use their ability if they have already used it; in short, it dies with them. If they have not used their power, however, and the conditions for its use are still acceptable then they are free to execute a target.
To activate their ability they may decide during the voting phase to include a name of someone they would like revived along with their vote. If after tallying votes the Priest is still alive, the Priest's ability is activated - the Priest sacrifices themselves to immediately revive their chosen target. If the Priest is not alive by the end of tallying votes this ability is not activated. This revived person is immune to being murdered in the cycle immediately following their revival.
A Priest who uses their ability does not have to write a death post (although they still can). Whoever is revived by it does not have to write a second one also.
Inserted the 3rd paragraph to highlight when the Priest can use their ability like the Arbiter. Again it didn't make sense to have the player wait until cycle 2 when their abilites activate at the end of the cycle.
I think the edits clarify when these roles use their abilities while staying inline with the concept of the roles. It also allows the players to shoot themselves in the foot with their executions again, which I think is better for increasing the tension of the game. Having the abilities tied in with the voting PMs also helps cut down on the spam the GM has to deal with as well.
NEVAH! When the RNG god tells you to do something, you damn well do it to the best of your ability... or, I don't know, "decline" the role beforehand so that your death doesn't start off in vain...
NEVAH! When the RNG god tells you to do something, you damn well do it to the best of your ability... or, I don't know, "decline" the role beforehand so that your death doesn't start off in vain...
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