Serious Topic: Swat Team Kills Man's Dogs in Front of Children

[MinishArcticFox]

They hardly killed the dog in front of the kid the kid came out of the room quite a while after the dog was shot.

Second they yelled police search warrant 3 times. Notice that the TV in the main room was on indicating someone was likely in the room at the time. The dogs are located to the left of the door from SWAT perspective. The people were all found to the right. This leads me to believe one of three things
1. They watch TV from two rooms away.
2. They leave the TV on all the time for shits and giggles
3. They were in the room and went the opposite direction of the dogs and didn't even alert SWAT to their presence.
In a room breaching scenario you have a short amount of time to make decisions I doubt they realized the dog was chained.

Killing the animals hardly seemed necessary I agree but the owner was also at least a little to blame.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

If we at least would have heard an aggressive dog in the vid. I just heard it squealing in its last seconds. Then i maybe could forget about my disgust against police/military - violence against civilians.
A calm dude, probably on narcotics, who talks back sarcasticly is no reason for the use of a weapon, he doesnt seem to have been aggressive, just a perhaps stoned prick, they can drag him out in cuffs but can't act like john wayne himself in a citizens home.
Nice that at least in my country such situation would result in a cop or two without a job. They may still beat the shit out of teenagers in the street but at least they just use their clubs.

 

[MrFluffy-X]

I disagree with all of you. It was highly inappropriate and unprofessional. There was a fuckin kid!!

The dog seemed to be shot before they even got to the door.

You can bend over to the police/government if you want, like a bunch of obedient dogs you are.

 

[ArcWinter]

He wasn't resisting, he was complaining. Now, maybe it's because I am a pacifist, but I don't really think killing his dog was necessary. Maybe pointing a gun at him would've helped instead.

Anyway, as long as it isn't me, do whatever. And since I don't plan on smuggling any illegal drugs/child slaves, I think I'm good.

unless this is part of a conspiracy which is entirely possible but the kid is probably the real ringleader you can tell from the look in his merciless eyes

 

[Zhukov]

"Ohh, look out! Lassie here is posing a serious threat to us armed men in body armour. Better shoot her."

Fucking cowboys.

 

[The Austin]

Jesus fucking Christ.

That crosses me as police brutality. They shot his damn dog.

That isn't right.

 

[Enkidu88]

Well, to start with you should always cooperate with the police, especially if it's a damn SWAT-team.

It's a fundamental right to NOT have to cooperate with police and the idea that the police are always correct and should be given extensive latitude, is what leads to abuse of power. Without legal representation all you're required to do is give your name and address, he didn't have to say anything to the SWAT team. I don't even understand why they'd be talking to him, their objective is to secure the suspect not to interrogate him. Was he even read his Miranda rights?

I'll admit I didn't watch the video because I don't handle scenes like that particularly well, but if what others state is true and the extent of his lack of cooperation was a sarcastic tone of voice, than shooting the dogs was way over the line. If on the other hand he was becoming violent or the dogs were making threatening moves, I'll be siding with the police. I'd need more info.

 

[Hawkeye16]

You don't shoot family pets in front of the family unless you have a damn good reason, its SWAT. They dont get out of the office without a damn good reason.

 

[CloggedDonkey]

While I disagree with the people saying "HE DIDNT COOPERATE THE DOGS DESERVED IT 2 TEECH HM A LESON LOLOL!!!111ONEONEONE", and I don't like that they shot the dogs, I do understand why(except the corgi). The pit bull was a threat, even a slight one, and they had to eliminate it. And they got bad intel, you can't blame the officers for that, only the station. If soldiers go and take out a small munitions dump, and end up killing two civilians with bombs that where supposed to be for a large munitions dump, then you can't blame them, they where given wrong intel.

 

[Citrus]

Pro-tip: it is possible to tase dogs. It is also possible to pepper spray dogs.

I'd expect the police to shoot it, but not SWAT; they're supposed to be the elite and professional ones that don't do any more damage than they have to. And I don't see how the guy was deserving of that at all. He was a bit rude, yes, but he was clearly in shock and he really did look like he had no idea why such a large force was barging into his house.

 

[Grayjack]

Jesus, that almost made me cry. But I still don't know if the dog attacked them.
Edit: According to the video description, they shot a caged Pit bull and a Corgi. Fucking assholes.

 

[asinann]

A lot of people don't seem to understand how quickly situations like that can go bad.

Do you?

God bless the heroes of MF-ing America. Shooting shit up since May 4th 1970.

How can you even attempt to justify the actions of your police? You all make me fucking sick. The Police should not be allowed to have the power they have, they should be constantly in check and slip ups should be punished.

I can't believe Police get away with stuff like this.

The reason people in Portland, OR don't trust the police is because they tend to overreact or just shoot for no reason. A pair of Portland police shot a man who was sitting in a parked car with both hands visible on the steering wheel. The panel of police that investigated the incident and found the shooting was justified. Because of crap like this the Portland police now have the F.B.I. as their internal affairs department. They are no longer allowed to investigate their own problems because no matter what the police did, it was found to be justified. Shooting retards, tasering the elderly, randomly shooting minorities. If these people weren't police they would have all been rounded up and locked away as a criminal syndicate. But they get overpaid while they work, medical, dental and retirement courtesy of the taxpayer while they act like thugs to everyone that isn't white.

 

[Regiment]

Well, to start with you should always cooperate with the police, especially if it's a damn SWAT-team.

It's a fundamental right to NOT have to cooperate with police and the idea that the police are always correct and should be given extensive latitude, is what leads to abuse of power. ... Was he even read his Miranda rights?

I'll admit I didn't watch the video because I don't handle scenes like that particularly well...

First of all, I haven't watched the video for the same reasons, so forgive (or correct) me if I make a mistake.

I don't think the police need to read you your rights unless they're interrogating you. If they don't read you your rights, they just can't use what you've said in court.

I think we're all arguing over half-information. Who is this guy? Why was there a SWAT team at his house? What had he done to warrant that? I'm not taking sides; I'm arguing we don't have all the information. Now, granted, shooting dogs for no reason is wrong, but was there a reason? Did the dogs attack the team, or act threateningly? (Remember that I can't bring myself to watch the video.) The SWAT team does have the power to defend themselves, and if they think the dogs are threats they are allowed to shoot them (as far as I know).

 

[Hashime]

It is just a dog, I don't see why people get so worked up. They had a good reason to kill the dog, and if they just incapacitated it animal services would have killed later, again it is an animal, not a person.

 

[The Singularity]

quite frankly those arguing are latching onto the idea that the swat where just there on a stroll and saw a dog and thought it would be funny to shoot. The SWAT are only called in for dangerous situations, I mean they even busted through the door. Then they had one dog come out of nowhere as they entered, thats clearly neither dog nor officers fault as the dog was defending its territory and the officer was doing his job. But then later the other dog that "was trying to play with you" was also shot. How do most dogs play? Mine enjoy tug of war or fetch or just chasing them around. But if a officer sees a dog running at him, or one grabs onto his armor to play tug of war in a extremely high stress situation he has to react. The officers were expecting there to be people jumping out around corners shooting at them and were correctly on high alert. Unfortunately for the dog, it was a surprise for people trained and expecting to gun down surprises.

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

Goodness, I felt sorry for everybody in that except for the guy and the police. Not that the police are bad, but... that was a little extreme. 'A dog that barks when people walk into it's home? What sorcery is this?' And I'm guessing the carrying around a taser would be too difficult. One question though: who's holding the camera? If that was a cop, that is one squeamish cop. He was filming, like, 20 feet from the door and he shook when the gun fired.

 

[CCountZero]

Based solely on the information gathered by the Video and Audio information posted by the OP, I have to strongly disagree with the OP.

As far as I can deduce, the suspect was being a loudmouth, but he wasn't actively resisting arrest, or in any way indicating a hostile intent.

His tone of voice indicates to me that he is in a state of confusion, and him asking about the reasons for his arrest is wholly legitimate, and within his rights.

Once you see him on the ground, he isn't twitching around.



Moving on to the dog, it's clear to me that a hostile attack dog wouldn't sound like a Fox-Terrier cowering.

It's not impossible that more dogs could have been present, expecially as we hear three shots being fired, but the barking stops immediatedly, which points to the barking dog being put down along with any possibly-present animal threaths.

On the issue of a small dog being a liability, I can see the line of thinking behind that reasoning, but in this specific case, the officers exit the room in which they shot the dog(s) immediatedly after shooting. This points to there being no other rooms to search in that area of the house, and we don't see any officers searching the other end either, which again leads me to assume that there were no more rooms in need of searching.

So, with the suspect on the ground, hands behind his backs, the officers could easily have left the barking dog, at least, alone, as it could in no way endanger their lives anymore.


Another question to be raised is also the justification for shooting an animal, taking a life and the property of the subject, while the suspect is still exactly that. A suspect, as opposed to a convicted criminal.




However. All of this is nitpicking, and as has been said by multiple posters already, the lives of the officers greatly outweigh those of any animals, dangerous or not, in the area.
Naturally, we'd all prefer that no lives were lost, human or otherwise, but it is indeed an adrenaline-fueled situation, tensions high, people on edge, and nobody can or should ever be expected to make perfect split-second decisions in times like these.