Serious Topic: Swat Team Kills Man's Dogs in Front of Children

[nick_knack]

Some people in here with their blind police obedience make me sick.

For you idiots that didnt bother to check background on what happened here is the deal:

You people should learn that the police is not always right. The police is NOT on your side, they exist to arrest people and dont give a fuck if you are a good citizen. They more likely want to get you arrested then not.

You know, its usually best to cite a source when you're calling other people idiots for not doing research. No, the video description does not count. It is fucking YouTube after all.

Police operate by a series of doctrines and powers afforded to them by the law. The only time they are ever wrong, is when they violate the doctrines that restrict their powers. In todays world if that DOES happen, 9/10 times the system allows you to successfully call them on it. The police only want to arrest you if they think you are seriously breaking the law, or you are pissing them off. Even if you commit some misdemeanor in front of a cop, he is not likely to arrest you as long as you are polite. Why? Because the paperwork is not worth it.

 

[The Night Shade]

Why did they shot the dogs that is just wrong they could just use pepper spray on them

 

[Davrel]

Also, don't yell at me for what I have to say on this. I'm reporting it and giving my opinion. I believe if a person doesn't cooperate when a person in authority gives them a direct command, action should be taken no matter how drastic the measures.

I'm not going to yell at you, but rather instead, politely inform you that the kind of unquestioning obedience in the face of violence and simpering to authority that you espouse is exactly how dictatorships arise. The Government should fear its people, not the other way around.

That being said, I don't know the full details of the case and he may well of deserved it; but the dog and the children didn't.

 

[Kinguendo]

I didnt hear any sarcastic remarks before shots were fired, so... they killed this guys dog for doing what it was trained to do (That being bark at intruders.) and he seemed quite confused and just wanted to know what was going on.

Yep, thats an offence worthy of murdering a guys dog within 10 seconds of entering his house in the middle of the night...(!) T_T

EDIT: In fact, I think you should look up the definition of sarcastic because I dont think anything he was saying could be considered as sarcastic.

 

[Akalistos]

all i read on this thread is; He didn't cooperate, so they shoot is dog.

My reaction to this: BULLSHIT!!!!

I understand what happen, they go in, got the guy and shoot the dog. But Why?

SWAT had a warrant for what they were told was a big time trafficker and they hit the house accordingly.

Dogs are a huge fucking liability in a raid. Even if the dog is unable to really attack me it will still be pulling at my pant legs and tripping me up. If I fall, I suddenly become a huge liability to the other officers and they have to divert themselves to come assist me. Even if the dog is restrained it can still cause a ruckus and destroy the element of suprise in a raid. The SWAT officer made the decision to eliminate a possibly life threatening variable in an already dangerous situation.

And what about Pepper Spray, which are effective on a human. Since the dog got a better nose than human, wouldn't he fall prey to it like we do? YES! Taser are also part of the S.W.A.T. gear, surely a dog, which by the way aren't as big as a man, Can't fall down from it? We put the same technologies in training collars for god sake. It couldn't have work? YES IT COULD!
But the dog can bark and gave way the position of S.W.A.T. member thus endangering the life of officer in the line of duty. Surely the "Get Down! Put your hand behind your head. Don't move!" that all the officer are yelling can't give them aways. That, the fact that they use the doorbell, yell their own intention and use a BATTERING RAM ON THE DOOR can't give that aways. YES! AND I'LL ADD, IF YOUR NOT AWARE BY THAT TIME, YOU ARE EITHER DEAF OR DEAD!

Edit: At least, they finish him up.... After 3 min. Being a Police officer is hard. But sometime, you have to make a choice between what the situation really need and the F**** rules book.

 

[Dogstile]

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

I find this hard to believe when the dog was barking and dogs generally bark when scared. Dogs also don't bark when they attack in my experience. Aside from that its not like the owner shot the dog, so I don't see how the owner could have murdered him. What, can drug dealers not have pets too now?

 

[Kinguendo]

First of all, I haven't watched the video for the same reasons, so forgive (or correct) me if I make a mistake.

I don't think the police need to read you your rights unless they're interrogating you. If they don't read you your rights, they just can't use what you've said in court.

I think we're all arguing over half-information. Who is this guy? Why was there a SWAT team at his house? What had he done to warrant that? I'm not taking sides; I'm arguing we don't have all the information. Now, granted, shooting dogs for no reason is wrong, but was there a reason? Did the dogs attack the team, or act threateningly? (Remember that I can't bring myself to watch the video.) The SWAT team does have the power to defend themselves, and if they think the dogs are threats they are allowed to shoot them (as far as I know).

They always read you your miranda rights or anything you say cant be used in court and they dont want to run that risk, if they dont read you your miranda rights you can admit to whatever crime you want and they couldnt arrest you on your confession.

Also, apparently the pit bull was in a cage and the other dog was a corgi... in case you dont know corgis are SO docile the Queen of England has many of them. So do you think a caged dog and a small dog fit for a queen is dangerous?

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

i'm sad because it wasn't the dogs fault that his master was an asshole...

why did they unleashed their hatred and violence on an innocent dog?

 

[William Dickbringer]

awww poor dog but I can see why they shot it it could have attacked them and that could have caused problems with an injury to a swat member and it's better to walk away with your whole team then to have one go to a hospital

 

[Akalistos]

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

I find this hard to believe when the dog was barking and dogs generally bark when scared. Dogs also don't bark when they attack in my experience. Aside from that its not like the owner shot the dog, so I don't see how the owner could have murdered him. What, can drug dealers not have pets too now?

YES! Exactly! The one being scared was the S.W.A.T. officers.

 

[IceStar100]

This is as bad as a kid who holds a toy gun and won't drop it when order to by the police.

He was a kid bla bla bla. Do what the police say and this kinda shit does not happen. If you feel the over stepped get a lawyer later. Hell some of them make a career out of it.

 

[jthm]

The dog was caged morons. Justified swat raid or not, shooting a caged animal does not fall in the line of duty.

 

[Crunchy English]

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

I find this hard to believe when the dog was barking and dogs generally bark when scared. Dogs also don't bark when they attack in my experience. Aside from that its not like the owner shot the dog, so I don't see how the owner could have murdered him. What, can drug dealers not have pets too now?

Nope. Crime brings danger and violence, always does and always will. If you live that lifestyle, then you endanger everything around you. That dog couldn't just "leave" and get rid of a bad situation the way a person could. That dog was stuck in a powder keg. Also, in my humble opinion, drug dealers have no rights. The police and law disagree, and maybe that's best, but drug dealers are disgusting scum. My brother stole my grandmothers' engagement ring to support his coke habit and some of his friends are in even worse shape. Drug use is stupid and the people who profit off it are evil.

 

[ender214]

All I can say is: its a DOG. If a dog bit me, I would feel perfectly comfortable bashing its head in with a sledgehammer. Grow up and get a new one if you like them so much.

In regard to the police action, the dogs posed a potential threat and thus were shot. The safety of the SWAT team and the success of the police raid would take priority over the life of a dog.

 

[Dogstile]

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

I find this hard to believe when the dog was barking and dogs generally bark when scared. Dogs also don't bark when they attack in my experience. Aside from that its not like the owner shot the dog, so I don't see how the owner could have murdered him. What, can drug dealers not have pets too now?

YES! Exactly! The one being scared was the S.W.A.T. officers.

The dog was in a cage. The other dog was a corgi. You know, the dogs that are roughly the size of your foot? And lets not forget it was shut in the kitchen. Again, they went in too heavy. It was a guy and his family and they used lethal force. Pepper spray or tazers would have works much better.

 

[Kinguendo]

This is as bad as a kid who holds a toy gun and won't drop it when order to by the police.

He was a kid bla bla bla. Do what the police say and this kinda shit does not happen. If you feel the over stepped get a lawyer later. Hell some of them make a career out of it.

"Do what the police say and this kinda shit does not happen." - Okay, now we have the ground work for a fascist state laid down we are to proceed with murdering minorities, correct mein furher?

Seriously, this kind of authoritarian personality is exactly what allows police officers to abuse their power in the first place.

 

[Bek359]

To all the people saying that you don't have to cooperate with the cops, the more accurate thing to say would be "You do not have to answer their questions". In a situation with SWAT breaking down your door, that is not the time to be making their lives more interesting/harder, or else you could get pepper-sprayed at the least, or shot at the worst. If they have a warrant, which they did, they have the right to go into your house and search it. It sounds like they gave the guy fair warning, and he didn't let them in, so they had to expect the worst, that there could be booby-traps or armed resistance. As such, I don't blame them for neutralizing any possible threats or surprises. Bottom line, all you internet tough guy cop-haters need to realize that there are times and places to be uncooperative, and none of them involve police with assault rifles breaking down your door and you giving them shit.

 

[Dogstile]

2) The dog might be an innocent victim, but why blame the police? If that dog was murdered, it was murdered by its scumbag owner, not the cops.

I find this hard to believe when the dog was barking and dogs generally bark when scared. Dogs also don't bark when they attack in my experience. Aside from that its not like the owner shot the dog, so I don't see how the owner could have murdered him. What, can drug dealers not have pets too now?

Nope. Crime brings danger and violence, always does and always will. If you live that lifestyle, then you endanger everything around you. That dog couldn't just "leave" and get rid of a bad situation the way a person could. That dog was stuck in a powder keg. Also, in my humble opinion, drug dealers have no rights. The police and law disagree, and maybe that's best, but drug dealers are disgusting scum. My brother stole my grandmothers' engagement ring to support his coke habit and some of his friends are in even worse shape. Drug use is stupid and the people who profit off it are evil.

Everyone has rights dude. I know a couple of dealers, everyone in college does and they are generally ok people, if a little unstable. Dealers are normal people who make money illegally. There is a market, they supply. If anyone is to blame for the stupidity of drug use its the people who abuse it and the people who profit off it may be "evil" in your opinion, but they are also smart in the sense that they can capitalise on a market.

Seriously, since when have we started taking rights away from dealers of all people? They hardly dehumanise people in the way that rapists and murderers do.

I realise that may make no sense, feel free to point that out, my thought process is a little scrambled right now so i may have jumbled it up a little :/

 

[Akalistos]

This is as bad as a kid who holds a toy gun and won't drop it when order to by the police.

He was a kid bla bla bla. Do what the police say and this kinda shit does not happen. If you feel the over stepped get a lawyer later. Hell some of them make a career out of it.

Yes, and no... There were a story here about a kid shot by a police officer. The kid tried to step up to the police officer, but he and is partner knew better. Every kid want a bullet in their body to feel like Fifty cent. The cop didn't encourage him to do anything but wasn't about to let it out of control. They tried to talk the kid down, but the kid who wanted to show off to is friend tried to grab one of the officer gun. His partner, seeing him fighting the kid for the firearm, pull is own and fire. The kid fall down, the friends vanish, the cop are on a adrenaline high, they call a ambulance, the kid finally died. That a case, the cop was still judged because it was a kid and they would be a backlash anyways. In that case, i agree 100% but there the other side of the medal.

A kid that play robber in a park and is suddenly hear "drop the gun down!" doesn't necessary assume that it addressed to him. Hell, i'll be in shock.
Me: "Wait WHAT? It just a game, it not real. It a toy!"
Just saying, there a place and time for everything.