Seriously though, F***K the Alliance.

[Laurie Barnes]

I'm not gonna lie, the Horde is hardly perfect, in fact they seem to have nailed imperfection quite nicely, but they are still a far cry superior to the awful Alliance. I'm not trying to rant.

Firstly, the Alliance is very pretentious, they have a shiny polished surface, and claim to hate the Horde on the grounds of the Horde being savage and violent, which is true, and that a lasting peace is impossible being that the Horde has no desire for peace. Untrue. Under Thrall's command peace was attempted at several points when the peace would have benefited both factions who faced a common foe. A change to a new warchief that possibly might be worse for the Horde is almost a direct result of the Alliance's refusal to foster anything but bigottry.

Secondly, they are racist. The hatred for the Horde is based almost entirely on race and cultural ignorance, and specifically Wrynn's hatred for the orcs, and lack of compassion for the fact that Orc conduct is a direct result of demonic influence. The Horde takes in anyone who needs a roof and is willing to raise a blade in the interest of defense and glory, and clearly is able to overlook cultural differences to make it possible, see blood-elves, and goblins. The Alliance on the other hand is divided by their own distrust for members of their own group. The Night Elves hate the Dwarves and look down upon Humans, and the Dwarves and Humans distrust the Night Elves for being xenophobes. The same can be said of the Horde, but the level of tolerance for different ideas is clearly much higher, and difference in general. The Alliance even come close to damning their own races, see exile of the gnomes. In fact the only people the Alliance has going for it are the Draenei and they are so fractured and broken that they have no voice at all.

Finally, the Alliance is bland. The Alliance is 90% Humans, and variety is nearly unheard of. The Alliance even markets this as a strength, that their numbers are upheld almost entirely by human hands, but I on the other hand see this as a sickness of an irresponsible and scattered people who are too selfish to work together. Where as the Horde is a melting pot, the Alliance is a ground of whitewashing.

PS. As Yahtzee said they don't even have the hottest girls anymore, in fact your average MALE blood elf is prettier than anything the Alliance has.

 

[sheogoraththemad]

damn you make good points, I will think about this when I try WoW again...

 

[Keldon888]

Yes that is the Horde view of things, Blizzard designed their game to make it seem like no matter what side you pick you are the good guys.

 

[wolas3214]

hahaha this is exactly what i thought back when i was playing WoW.

However i've recently escaped with my life still intact so it's all good.

 

[teebeeohh]

the horde is not really savage anymore, orcs and trolls developed this nice honorable warrior thing and they have the blood elves, those guys are as far removed from savage as possible in the warcraft universe.

 

[Sixcess]

PS. As Yahtzee said they don't even have the hottest girls anymore, in fact your average MALE blood elf is prettier than anything the Alliance has.

Spoiler: Not Gay

Anyway... yeah I never really clicked with the Alliance. I think part of it was the first impression. Pre-Cataclysm, in the human starting zone, you kill a few wolves and then the quest giver tells you to go kill some kobolds who are infesting a nearby mine. Now, like all starting fodder, the kobolds do not aggro until attacked, so you can wander amongst these sentient creatures (well, they talk, kinda) slaughtering them at will and they don't fight back. it just felt... well, very very unheroic.

So I rolled a Forsaken and started massacring zombies, then the religious fanatics of the Scarlet Crusade, and by the time I'd hacked my way through those red bastards for the entirety of Tirisfal Glades I was left with a very cynical view of humans/the Alliance. I mean, what does it say about the humans when they're less sympathetic than the Forsaken, who have cannibalism as a racial ability?

 

[Chased]

Yes that is the Horde view of things, Blizzard designed their game to make it seem like no matter what side you pick you are the good guys.

I agree with this, I got an Ally Druid and a Horde Hunter both up 85 (and then quit). After playing on both sides, it's pretty obvious that Blizzard tries to justify the cause for each side.

However i've recently escaped with my life still intact so it's all good.

A fellow WoW survivor, high five!

 

[Schreck157]

People need to stop using the name "Alliance" in their games and media. When I saw the title, I first thought of the Alliance in the Mass Effect universe, then the Alliance from Firefly, and THEN the Alliance from WoW.

OT: You do make some very good points.

 

[evilneko]

Wait, there are male belfs?

 

[Lord_Nemesis]

I agree but on my server, Steamwheedle, the Alliance unfortuently are the better side. A weekend doesn't go past where they dont take out at least one city.

*Sigh* Whats a BElf 'Lock to do?

 

[Dragunai]

Personally I consider the Horde to be the good guys and the alliance to be war mongers who start shit then blame the horde for it.

During the Wrath gate quest chain when you invade the UC, Wrynn blindly attacks Thrall who basically doesnt want to fight him.

Then again Wrynns back story says that he was afk through vanilla and TBC because he was a prisoner of the Orcs and forced to fight in their arenas to the death. So he kinda has a valid reason.

Blood Elves and Forsaken are both in the Horde because starting their own club would result in the alliance murdering them and the horde being like... "Well if you were our friends we can help"

Still agree with you though.

 

[Valkyr71]

Alliance/Horde who cares, They both slaughter everything in thier path. I liked the goblins until they became a factionable player. They were at least neutral and made no bones about it and enforced a peace everywhere that they had a settlement but blizzard went and fucked that up.

 

[Laurie Barnes]

Yes that is the Horde view of things, Blizzard designed their game to make it seem like no matter what side you pick you are the good guys.

Clearly an Alliance player. But in the interest of a well worded response, I will admit that I agree, but I always felt that the Horde was more easy to sympathize with. They at least seem to be aware of this problem, while the Alliance seems to ignore it and simply blanket the Horde with generalizations, such as being savage and evil, which my friend Teebeeoh has kindly pointed out as a half truth at best.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Alliance/Horde who cares, They both slaughter everything in thier path. I liked the goblins until they became a factionable player. They were at least neutral and made no bones about it and enforced a peace everywhere that they had a settlement but blizzard went and fucked that up.

The Goblins you're speaking of are still neutral. It's just one faction of them that joined the Horde.

 

[Nuuu]

It's unfortunate on my server, Alliance dominates Battlegrounds most of the time, with the Horde getting a better chance at winning during the night when people get back from work, i don't feel like transfering characters, not only is it expensive, but i'd end up leaving a few friends behind.

 

[Jasper Jeffs]

I like the Horde, but the Alliance has instant BG queues, Gnomes, and the human racial ability. So, Alliance wins for me.

 

[Cowabungaa]

The current Alliance and Horde are both pretty shit really. Sure, the Dwarves are on the brink of civil war, Varian Wrynn is a schizofrenic warmonger, but look at the Horde's situation for a moment. Look at what Garrosh is doing, driving both the Tauren and Forsaken further and further away, even splitting the Orcs themselves into two halves. Look at the Forsaken themselves, they're getting more and more unruly themselves.

I find it a really fascinating situation really, and I hope the next WoW expansion goes even further politically. Imagine what happens when Wrynn finally leaves the throne and Anduin, the diplomatic wunderkind he is, becomes king. Remember that Anduin has a good, and secret, friendship with Baine Bloodhoof. Imagine what happens when Thrall gets back, good friends with Jaina Proudmoore.

Yeap, the world of Azeroth is in for an interesting ride. Both the traditional factions are under incredibly heavy strain and who knows, they might change radically, just in time for WoW's sequel.

and lack of compassion for the fact that Orc conduct is a direct result of demonic influence.

To be fair, they did willingly accept those demonic powers. Honestly, both sides have their good and bad guys. The Warcraft-verse is incredibly morally grey.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

To be fair to the Alliance, the Horde have invaded and killed lots of people several times. Even if they were kind of under the power of daemons at the time. As someone who has been playing warcraft since the very first RTS, i find it kind of hard to sympathise with the Horde, of course i also despise Arthas for what he did to Lorderon and Thrall was kind of cool so maybe you're right and i need to overcome my dislike for the horde xD

 

[Ghengis John]

I'm not gonna lie, the Horde is hardly perfect, in fact they seem to have nailed imperfection quite nicely, but they are still a far cry superior to the awful Alliance. I'm not trying to rant.

And yet you did it so well. Just for the sake of argument, looking at things from the alliance side of things the horde are just as bad. They invaded azeroth, they keep slaves, the blood elves are fascists, the orcs are wrecking the environment of a planet they don't even belong on and the forsaken conduct horrible experiments on innocent people. Look at what your angels did to Hillsbrad Foothills.

The same can be said of the Horde, but the level of tolerance for different ideas is clearly much higher, and difference in general.

Yeah, between the whole trolls hating everyone, blood elves considering the less civilized races inferior, orcs posting armed soldiers in the undercity, taurens looking for the exit and the undead planning to stab the whole world in the back thing I could see how you might think that. As for your charges of rampant racism according to the official numbers there are more half-elves in sw than orcs in ogrimmar. The alliance races have a lot of things in common. A history of shared defense, a shared religion in the worship of the light. All the horde has are shared enemies. And you can't trust the forsaken any farther than you can throw them.

So in short what this guy said:

Yes that is the Horde view of things, Blizzard designed their game to make it seem like no matter what side you pick you are the good guys.

Now if you were to ask me I'd say between thrall, capitol cities not having anvils for five years and the horrible shoehorning of the elves onto the horde as a player grab Blizzard probably favors the horde. That said the human racial bonus is awesome and I love gnomes.

damn you make good points, I will think about this when I try WoW again...

Better idea: Don't go back. As an ex-wow player I must say it's pretty sweet not having to worry about raid appointments, guild drama, vying for position, and keeping up with the Joneses.