Sessler from G4 bashes Killzone 2 fanboys

[KeyMaster45]

So I guess that the fanboys finally got to the heads of the professional Game Critics...

If you have for once looked into the Forums of GameFAQs, GameSpot or GameTrailers you have probably experienced more fanboyism than any person would possibly have to put up with.

I make it a personal point not to visit those forums, you're almost guarenteed to never find an intelligent conversation on sites such as those.

 

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Damn, Sessler's pissed. I haven't seen him as pissed off as this since his The Loop session one December night in 2007 when he was pitted against Jack Thompson.

Innovation doesn't mean quality, but every game should at least try and be innovative in some sort of way, to at least keep the industry moving.

Without innovation things become stagnant.
Would you like to play the same FPS over and over again?
I call it "The Halo Effect".

But if all games are innovative? How can we tell which games actually bring innovation to the table? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It is my opinion that gamers are not looking for innovation. What they're really looking for is polish. Take Dead Space for example. Was it innovative? No, not by a long shot. Was it fun to play? Yes, if you don't care about the narrative (which you probably are, considering you're playing what basically amounts to a zombie game in space).

 

[Anton P. Nym]

Sessler's talking about the stuff that drives me up the wall when I consider game fandom. Indeed, he's talking about the stuff that has me thinking that, should the Incredibly Advanced Aliens land and ask me to justify humanity's continued existance, I'd have to say "I got nuthin'" and hope they ray me down first.

Because we're just... that... stupid. I mean, even here in our lofty little perch, we're still doing the platform sniping while looking down on others for doing platform sniping. Seriously. And taking it seriously, too. "But ZOMG I'm not lyk those whiners!", you cry, but you indeed are... you're just not self-aware enough to notice, so like the pack-animals you are you circle around your own and bray at all the others.

Respect to Sessler, and a vain hope that it might (but probably won't) lead to some slender ray of self-criticism in the panicky herd-mentality of fans.

-- Steve

 

[Sixties Spidey]

That was awesome.... Eh, KZ2 is great, better than the somewhat disappointing first one.

 

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Now see, this is what pisses me off. This is basically saying "we're happy how we are, so we shouldn't better ourselves." Imagine if all scientists thought that way? We would still be wearing loincloths.

OK, you got me there, but my views on innovation doesn't change. I just hate it when something is dubbed as "innovative" at previews then ultimately falls short on that promise. My point is, while innovation is good to keep developers pushing the envelope, they shouldn't get too caught up in it that they don't see the bigger picture. Their "innovation" could just become a passable gimmick if there wasn't a great game to back it up. And my inbox is delayed, it seems, I didn't get a notification that you quoted me

 

[Jumplion]

On another totally unrelated note, Jumplion got it.

Just think of Killzone to being the Crysis of the PS3.........? Only thing Crysis really "innovated" on was Hardware specs and graphics. But when you compare Deatharea to Sobalert, Killzone 2 is much more atmospheric and uses the visuals to it's advantage while Crysis just put in a bunch of pretty flowers because every other FPS was garb and gray so they could say "We're different!".

No.
Crysis did not went the "flowery" way to be different. Crysis went that way because Cryteck has a history with making their games situated in the middle of forests/jungles/any kind of vegetation. It's not such a big coincidence that their last game was Farcry, a game where it literally took place in the middle of jungle.

You're saying that it's more atmospheric because you prefer the universe. There's nothing pointing that Killzone 2 is more atmospheric then Crysis.

Crysis wasn't a innovative game, neither is Killzone 2. That I'll grant you.

Ho ho, how flattering.

I think it's safe to assume that atleast a subconscious reasoning for being all flowery and green was so that the game could easily differentiate itself from the other FPSs out there. Since they already did something similar with Farcry, they hit two birds with one stone by going the path they are now known for and being able to make their FPS stand out.

But whereas Crysis was pushing graphics, Killzone 2 is pushing everything else.

Please compare this Killzone 2 Gameplay [http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44981.html] to this Crysis Gameplay [http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27855.html] and try to observe things other than what you see and how graphical they are. Listen to the sound, look at the animations, watch the physics and death animations, look at the pacing, feel the intensity of each of those battles. If you really can't really see the differences between these then you're blind and/or deaf.

Now, these two games play differently, Crysis makes you a one man army and Killzone 2 makes you an ordinary soldier trying to fight for his life, but the principle is the same.

I don't know if I'm arguing with you or just rambling and quoting you gives me an excuse to show off my opinion on that, BUT the deed is done!

EDIT: And oh GOD don't get me started on the whole "innovative!" and "gimmick!" bullshit I hear everywhere! Those words are used and mixed up so much they've lost their meaning.

 

[Jumplion]

Shit, maybe I am deaf.
I have no idea why I have a top-of-the-line gaming rig and why I basically dominate every multiplayer game I'm in. I mean, if I can't see why Killzone is that amazing then I must be a heretic right? I should just stop playing!

Whoa there Space Cowboy, I never said anything about taking pride for having a top-o-the-range gaming rig. By deaf I meant not being able to hear the different sounds and situations, not deaf and in thick if that's what you were thinking.

 

[Jennacide]

Oh Sess, I love you so. It's always fun to watch him flip out at the morons of the net. The KZ2 diehard fanboys should be happy they didn't tear into the blatant plagirism of the multiplayer. TF2 > KZ2.

 

[Jumplion]

Oh Sess, I love you so. It's always fun to watch him flip out at the morons of the net. The KZ2 diehard fanboys should be happy they didn't tear into the blatant plagirism of the multiplayer. TF2 > KZ2.

So now taking a successful game's mutliplayer is plagiarism? Especially a multiplayer as successful as TF2?

 

[GonzoGamer]

Um.
I saw that thing and it looked to me like he was tearing into delusional PS3 AND 360 fanboys. Actually I thought he was being just a bit more harsh to the 360 fanboys except for the ps3fanboy who apparently insulted his integrity. He sunk to that guys level real quick.


I was more perturbed by his previous soapbox where he encouraged everyone to buy DLC: that's just irresponsible. It's easy for him to recommend, he never has to pay for it.

$10-$20 for what's usually a few more missions isn't a good deal on any system.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

Does the guy in the video has some sort of speech impediment?

What if he does?

What's G4?
Who the fuck is this guy?
Why do we care?

Because this is a gaming discussion forum. Where we discuss things. To do with gaming.

Either way, all I can say from my PC bastion is:

"Lmao, watch the monkeys fight!"

Unfortunately I can see one masturbating himself silly from here. It's really not pleasant.

I've been reading your posts over the last few pages and it's not too nice. How you managed to turn an argument about how good a game for a particular console into how superior PC's are astounds me. Especially since you clearly haven't played the game itself, and yet are willing to pass judgement.

I don't know why people decide to turn having fun into a competition to see who can do it the best. I am enjoying myself on my platform of choice. But I could be having more fun on your platform, you say. Why I should care is beyond me, since I am already enjoying myself.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Dude Sessler was bashing the 360 fanboys who were complaining about how Killzone 2 is a good game, he wasn't saying anything bad about the Killzone fans. Now stop putting words into peoples mouths and try to conjure up some of your own you dumbass.

Yes, yes he was. He was bashing the Sony fanboys that were complaining about how a 5/5 score isn't good enough. He wasn't bashing all fanboys, just the stupid ones on both sides.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

crap...

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Sessler is a sell out. He said to get Two Human for christmas. . .Too (you had "Two") Human was not a game I would recommend for Christmas. In my opinion if they would have held the game back taken feedback it and made it better it would have been a great game. If not a contendent for game of the year. Now releasing as it (you had "as" and "it" switched) was and then saying people didn't like it cause it was too advanced and beyond alot of our comprehension is not the way to go. And yes the guy in charge of making the game did infact insult the gaming public.

Yo do realize that Too Human was in development for almost a decade, right? And just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad game, same goes for Sessler liking it. It's a niche game, some people love it, others don't. It's unique and it IS very deep, but there are also plenty of people who hate it for what it does. Sessler isn't a sellout or an idiot because he recommended it, it just means he personally likes the game. It was his OPINION.

 

[WendelI]

Wow that was amazing!
adam "Take a big breath and wile your mouth is open shove a --- in it!"

That WAS AWsom3!

Adam sesler and I share allot of the same views on the gaming community. I personally want to become a game designer so maybe my wishes will come true, Unlike poor adam, who cant grab the community by the neck and shake it until the fan boys fall off.

That was soo funny XD