Sex-ed survey given to 7th Graders

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Sion_Barzahd said:
I don't understand the childs freak outs, i mean hyper-ventilating? Wow.

The parent's outrage is more understandable. They don't want to think their child is having sex or knows a thing about it. They ignorantly believe their child is the very epitome of innocence. So they see this survey's questions of a permeation of their child's metaphoric innocence bubble.
Don't forget going apeshit on people who would like to actually protect their children, while the real parents are stuck doing fuck all and still believing that they're good parents.

I did sex ed in grade 3. I'd say that's a good point to start talking about where babies come from and why girls are starting to look different. This "incident" is nothing more than an ironic case of bad parenting.
 

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Lol am gonna say it i'll get flamed and everything but. THats crazy and to people saying they should know safe sex. Nobody at that age should be having SEX like my god its just depressing seeing kids 13-15 having sex like just really gets me down. Wait until your at least 20. Sex isint the only thing in life my god. Geeze am gonna be grumpy all day.
Hahaha, first off: What you think people should is not what goes.
Instead of "either learn about safe sex or don't have sex at all", how about this real-world example: "either learn about safe sex or have unsafe sex".

Safe sex is the better option, no?

Also, waiting 'till 20 may be an option for some people, but it's certainly not the only option out there. One can lead a perfectly healthy sex-life beginning at much younger than 20. Despite sex not being the only thing in the world, it remains a fact of everyday life. It seems you have a negative opinion on sex. Know that sex is not inherently negative. Sure, sex can (and frequently is, sadly) be abused and be the basis for abuse, but then, so can a lot of things in life.

The bottom line here is: People will be having sex until there are no more people left. People will start at different points in their lives, shockingly early to some people and amusingly late to others. Safe sex is preferable to unsafe sex, so the obvious thing to do is to teach kids about safe sex. Why? Because as much as some people would like to believe that they can just shut their eyes and that alone will make kids stop experimenting with their bodies, they will keep doing it and quite possibly get diseased and/or pregnant. Sex-ed is a positive thing, sex is not a negative thing.
 

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Now for today's bullshit story.

They are 13 years old, they probably know what sex is. It's better to teach them how to have sex safely before someone gets pregnant or HIV.
To avoid getting STDs or avoiding complications, do not inform people of means to begin actions which have the possibility of said implications.

Which is [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic] exactly [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailBiologyForever] what the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacePalm]givers of this test [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger]did not do. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoneHorriblyWrong]

Neptunus Hirt said:
Safe sex is the better option, no?
Of course it is.
But regardless if it's sex that's safe or not, 13 is far too young.
Hell in my opinion, 17 is too young.

badgersprite said:
Kids were crying and in tears over a sex ed survey?

Bull. Fucking. Shit!

What the hell is wrong with these people? I was getting sex ed in seventh grade (actually, as early as fifth grade, being a girl; we had to learn about 'that time of the month'), and most of our reactions were to giggle uncontrollably, or to be bored out of our minds. Jesus Christ, are these kids made of glass or something?

The parents are either lying about how their kids responded, or this test was administered to a tribe of aliens with completely different emotional responses to human beings.
Your concern for your fellow man is touching. Or more appropriately, lack thereof is telling.
 

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The questions on the survey that are drawing concern were:

"How certain are you that you could name all four bodily fluids capable of transmitting the HIV virus"

and

"How certain are you that you could correctly put a condom on yourself or your partner"

That's hardly "graphic"

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Really? That's all it was? That's dumb, those children that "hyperventilated" or freaked out must have been really sheltered. I grew up in a small, mostly mormon/follower community, and I've heard worse things spewing from them! I think it's a good thing, they're trying to inform kids that are about to or already have started puberty about STD's. Also, I got some sex ed when I was in the 7th grade, I felt it was an appropriate time, and I still do.
 

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Yet another sign of Darwin's theories in practice :p
America seems to be trying REEAAAALLY hard to kill itself.
 

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really? i mean really? by the time i was 12 me and all of my friends had been to at least one porn website out of curiosity. were we "disturbed"? did we hyperventilate? NO! we were normal boys growing up and we understood that that is how sex works and we found nothing disgusting about it. these kids need to grow some balls.
 

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I'm going to have to agree with major concensious on this one... 7th grade is no big whoop and most likely the news and school is blowing things out of proportion. Seeing how many of my relatives are teachers/administrators at the local public school system this doesn't surprise me. You are pretty much required to deal with the most extreme case or response regardless of if it's an outlier. So, one student freaks out because their family doesn't want them exposed to normal life and suddenly the whole school had a major problem even though it was just one person.

And yeah, parents freak out more then their kids do. Being technically inclinded I remember when I was back in middle school and helping students clear their cookies and cache folder and stay under the radar of the school admins so they could do what they wanted to do (Both boys and girls so no one try to feed me any bullshit about just boys looking up porn)... and I helped a lot of people so I just can't believe that more then one or two people freaked out.

Still, it's super funny to me the bad timing of sending out the opt-out form too late... they really fucked that one up. Still, you usually have to sign a general permission slip at the beginning of each school year to cover cases like this.
 

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Things like this make me wonder, when we hit 30 do we magically forget what its like to be younger? Because this isn't that big a deal.
 

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I have a hard time believing any 7th grader in the US, other than someone in a very secluded private school, would:

a. honestly be that outraged and shaken by this "test"

b. not know most of these things already

Maybe I am jaded growing up as I did in California. We had sex ed starting in 5th and 6th grades and that was way back in 1981. It was basic stuff, just biology. But by 7th and 8th grades, so long as permission slips were signed, we were hearing everything on this supposed "outrageous" test, and yes, were shown how to put condoms on bananas.

Somebody tell me with a straight face that we are living in a society where 7th graders are simultaneously sexting one-another and honestly freaked out by a question about a condom. Note I said "honestly freaked out." Because I don't believe it. We can't have both. It's got to be one or the other.

I think, more likely, this is another matter of phony parents trying to act outraged in a society that applauds hate and anger and rewards frivolous lawsuits with big cash settlements. The obviously conservative "reporter" fueling this fire works for a rag that calls itself a "dish," usually a term reserved for gossip. What does that tell you?
 

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This reminds me of something that happened at my middle school a few years ago.

When I was in seventh grade, we had some kind of health conference thing in the school gym, where a bunch of different booths were setup by different companies and organizations, each having information about different topics related in some way to health. Unfortunately though, there was one booth that was handing out pamphlets on Sexually Transmitted Diseases between gay couples. Our principal was held responsible and was forced to resign a year later.
 

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vic_elor said:
I'm going to have to agree with major concensious on this one... 7th grade is no big whoop and most likely the news and school is blowing things out of proportion. Seeing how many of my relatives are teachers/administrators at the local public school system this doesn't surprise me. You are pretty much required to deal with the most extreme case or response regardless of if it's an outlier. So, one student freaks out because their family doesn't want them exposed to normal life and suddenly the whole school had a major problem even though it was just one person.

And yeah, parents freak out more then their kids do. Being technically inclinded I remember when I was back in middle school and helping students clear their cookies and cache folder and stay under the radar of the school admins so they could do what they wanted to do (Both boys and girls so no one try to feed me any bullshit about just boys looking up porn)... and I helped a lot of people so I just can't believe that more then one or two people freaked out.

Still, it's super funny to me the bad timing of sending out the opt-out form too late... they really fucked that one up. Still, you usually have to sign a general permission slip at the beginning of each school year to cover cases like this.
Ugh. This is why I dropped out of law school. Society is so litigious and scared of lawsuits that it stops decent hard working people like your relatives from doing their jobs properly, because any time some kid cries to his or her parents (for something that's usually their own fault) they kick up a huge stink and sue the school.

That sort of crap happens in my country too. One stupid kid in Western Australia came to school way too early and tripped over and hurt himself. Suddenly, teachers all over the school had to arrive on school grounds an hour earlier than they usually did, so they couldn't get sued for having poor supervision on the hours when the school wasn't even open!!

That's exactly what I think is happening in this scenario. One or two dumb kids overreact, and so all these other parents start crying foul because they know the system is in their favour. If anyone sues the school and gets money out of this, I think I'm honestly going to be sick. Just think of the terrible precedent that would set for any school that tries to discuss sex education across the country.
 

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I went to a catholic grade school and a catholic high school. One thing i can say in retrospect, is that we talked about this stuff in class, and we all knew how the things worked and what could happen, what did happen, why we should wait, that we COULD wait, and that there were other options out there. We never had a formal sex-ed, and in a way we were taught "abstinence" sex-ed, but the subject was open and discussed and never got more graphic then need be.

Maybe its because we all had decent classes and great teachers who cared about us, in addition to that the whole thing now seems very carefully planned and orchestrated, they went through a lot of trouble to teach us this stuff and the realities of it. Had you asked anyone in our 5th grade class, even, what menstruation was, or how a woman could get pregnant, or what a condom was, we could all tell you. Admittedly at that point much of the stuff was simplified down, but we were explained to why things were happened and how they could be good or bad.

It's odd i think about it and i never had a sex-ed class, but it was worked into every other class, and they talked to us and taught us about it. More than just scaring us, or telling us it was bad, it was offered to us as our first big decision, that we could do this or we could not and they could not really stop us, but they told us it would be bad and there could/would be consequences for our actions. We were encouraged to control ourselves and we were told what could happen if you don't.

it was very different than what public schools seem to teach, which is: "use a condom and you'll be fine you cant help your self", which is a bit off a disgusting thing to tell anyone really. Not only do most sex-ed classes skimp on some important facts like: you can get a STD from oral sex, anal sex, and normal sex and a condom does not prevent most STDs, most STDs are transmitted through genital CONTACT, and you will have to live with your choices the rest of your life; but they tell kids that they are unable to control themselves and are only animals.

It really is a nauseating message when you think about it, and the expectations it sets. The message i was always given was "even if you slip up you can always seek forgiveness and DO BETTER and you have to OWN UP TO YOUR ACTIONS." The message given to many of my peers seems to have been "It does not matter you can't help yourself, your not really responsible." These messages pertain to so much more than sex-ed, but to the whole of public vs. private schooling, private schools hold there students up to an example and say "you are responsible for your own actions and the results of them" and public schools say "its not really your fault."

And we wonder what is wrong with schooling in America.

/monologue

I hope my writing was not too scatter-shot, i tend to write a little bit too much for posts, there is just so much to say! I do not hold to the bests of grammar and such as i really should with something this long. The Quiz itself that was given to these students, who should undoubtedly know what sex is at their age, seems a tad bit on the graphic side but more so on the cautious side. The pepole who wrote this and the school district have the best intentions but it ultimately comes down to the parents and the pepole these kids see as role-models, teachers and coaches, to give them the right message. The test is never gonna make a change in these kids lives' only the teacher can do that, and only the teacher can teach this, and only the teachers and parents are going to have influence over the actions of the children. Not some silly little test.
 

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Nothing wrong with this, I already had various misconceptions on sex when I was 8. Children need to be properly educated on these subject so it doesn't become a problem. They taught us basic sex education in 5th grade.
 

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What? By the time I was there age I had already looked at porn sites on the internet either accident or out of curiosity.
 

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bad rider said:
ArcWinter said:
Accordinq to Freud, infant sexuality.
BOOM your mind is blown
Their parents had no idea about early 10th qrade psycholoqy? Really?

Humans beqin to have sexual thouqhts before aqe 1. They don't fully mentally express it until around aqe 10, however, and their bodies don't catch up to their minds until about aqe 13.

This knowledqe has been around for literally more than a hundred years.

it is pretty simple also freud was pretty much the coolest psycholoqist
True, but he also spoke a lot of theory and very little that could be tested and measured.

Do you have any studies you can post to back that theory?
Not really. It's just 10th qrade psycholoqy. Also I sort of read ahead.
But there probably are some if you look, I'm too lazy thouqh.

i am so smart but so lazy it is a conundrum
 

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Anarchemitis said:
Scde2 said:
Now for today's bullshit story.

They are 13 years old, they probably know what sex is. It's better to teach them how to have sex safely before someone gets pregnant or HIV.
To avoid getting STDs or avoiding complications, do not inform people of means to begin actions which have the possibility of said implications.

Which is [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic] exactly [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailBiologyForever] what the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacePalm]givers of this test [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger]did not do. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoneHorriblyWrong]
Neat story.

Unfortunately most of these kids already know what sex is, some even already had it, and don't know how to have safe sex.

Which is [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic] exactly [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailBiologyForever] what the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacePalm]givers of this test [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger]tried to find out. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoneHorriblyWrong]

From the article:
In 2008, nearly 7 percent of all District teenagers were diagnosed with Chlamydia, and District adolescents account for half of all Chlamydia and Gonorrhea cases in DC
Obviously, some of them are having sex.
 

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I had the talk when I was like five or six. I turned out...reasonably fine. XD

Anyway, a recent study done by some organization in the US recently said that like 83% of teens 12-17 use condoms during sex.

Now, 16 and older, I understand. Maybe even 15. Lower than that though...what the hell? I mean, I was curious, and I probably could have had sex around that age had I really been determined, but really? What is the purpose of them having sex at that age? And before anyone freaks out on me, no, I'm not one of the people that believes sex is only for procreation. I understand that sex is fun and whatnot, but it also comes with risks in the form of HIV/AIDS etc etc. Education is really the best way to circumvent major issues like the possible ones that would stem from children having sex younger and younger. The simple fact is that you can't force abstinence and if 13 year olds are finding the time and place to be away from an adult to have sex...well, I'd say abstinence has long since ceased to be a viable option for them.
 

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As an American, I can confirm that this entire school must have been filled with kids who have been wrapped in cellophane for their entire life. Seriously, I knew about this stuff in 5TH grade