Sexism; Or The Turning of Tables

[iRevanchist]

Yup. Its getting to be the same with most minorities nowadays.
Black only clubs/events/scholarships/etc are perfectly fine. A white only one would be racist.
Its not okay to mock homosexuals because its what they are yet its okay to mock jocks and manly men which is pure fucking stupidity.
Someone also recently commented to me on this very forum that the world is still sexist because theres only 20% of women CEOs... Yeah, because its the worlds fault that not as many women have the drive, the qualifications, the intellect or even just the desire to make it to the top... and why should everything have to be 50/50? -.-;

Long story short, no one wants true equality. They just want their group to be on top and are not above using shit that happened hundreds of years ago, shit that has absolutely nothing to do with them, to justify their stupid, petty demands.

Ugh. have you ever thought that perhaps society's lack of belief in women and stigma of hard working women (hilary clinton, anyone?) may have discouraged loads of potential CEOs from achieving their potential? Or do you really just think that when every girl with talents in managing is born, 4 boys are?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Please enlighten me as to what genuine benefits men have in society now?

Well in comparison to 'we get made fun of in adverts'

Spoiler: The male privelege checklist

1.My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won?t think I got my job because of my sex ? even though that might be true.

3. If I am never promoted, it?s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won?t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex?s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. .

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I?m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low.

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I?ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I?m even marginally competent.

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I?m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see ?the person in charge,? odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters.

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children?s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists are the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I?m careless with my financial affairs it won?t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I?m careless with my driving it won?t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a ?slut,? nor is there any male counterpart to ?slut-bashing.?

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability.

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women?s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman?s without tailoring.

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time.
28. If I buy a new car, chances are I?ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.

29. If I?m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a *****.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called ?crime? and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called ?domestic violence? or ?acquaintance rape,? and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. ?All men are created equal,? mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don?t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we?ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we?ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. . If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do.

43. If I am heterosexual, it?s incredibly unlikely that I?ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.
44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to ?smile.?

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment.

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

taken from: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/

You guys really don't understand how much better you have it.

Edit: Please read the rest of the thread before quoting me... thanks.

 

[Verlander]

It's not worth the revolution, and the previous decades of female oppression kinda nullify any complaints we may have about such trivial matters.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I know it's trivial and nothing in comparison to previous generation's discrimination against women, but it's the persistent (and apparently growing) double standard. Hell, if I was an alarmist nutjob, I'd go so far as to say it'll be a crime to be a white male in a few decades.

I won't deny there are issues. In the UK at the moment, women are far more likely to be employed, especially as young adults. Government jobs have racial "quotas", which determine how many people of each skin colour get hired, and insurance companies discriminate against us to the point of absurdity... but all of these things are explainable.

For the job market, it's the doubly whammy of female bosses wanting to support women, and male bosses being sleazy scumbags/wanting to look good to the government : for the racial "quotas", it's just one of the many examples of our out of touch government and politicians completely misunderstanding the problem, and forcing a solution that's even less favourable : for the insurance companies, well, there is a significantly higher percentage of whites than there are of any other nationality, and therefore there are many more opportunities for us to fuck things up. In this situation specifically, the government also comes into play, by banning racial discrimination in insurance, but not ageism or sexism. Otherwise black people would be fucked.

So yeah, certain situations aren't ideal. However, on a percentage level at least, white men are vastly more likely to be middle class, or have higher paid jobs. Perhaps this will change with the next few generations, and then the societal focus will change to new targets. We're in a transitional stage, and right now that means we've drawn the short straws, but that's life I guess. I don't enjoy paying for the sins of my ancestors, but I accept it's a necessity. Who knows how long it will be for middle eastern folks to enjoy equality and freedom in the UK and USA? The prejudices there are going to be around for a long time, much worse than we get it, and it wasn't even a middle eastern "thing", it was a few lone nut jobs.

So yeah, I'm lower class, white and male, and all I can see is to work hard and get past it. After all, at one stage we ruled the world, so surely that means I can live normally and be successful on my own back, without the need to complain too much? Who knows, when I retire and if I never achieved anything, I'll find this thread and put my hands up and say "yeah, that shit was fucking unfair". Until then, I'm gonna keep fighting.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Took some time to look it up and write it down properly.
In order to file a lawsuit, you need to show that you have been grieved by what you are trying to change.
The woman wanted to be a pilot but she couldn't due to the fact that the course for pilots didn't accept females at the time, there was no demand till she came along. Therefore she won.
But a man can't file a lawsuit saying that not having the time of service for men and women similar because it didn't hurt him personally, it's just not equal.
.

If that inequality affects you then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try. If it bothers you that much that women have a privileged position in some vein of society then why not do something about it rather than just moaning about how no one does anything about it? Instead of blaming THE KILLER FEMINISTS go challenge it.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I think that if women want to be on the front line then they should be allowed. If we are never allowed to do anything how will we know if we can be successful or not.

I know a massive row was caused when a woman did all of the special forces training for a BBC documentary/competition.

 

[FrankatronX]

Please enlighten me as to what genuine benefits men have in society now?

Well in comparison to 'we get made fun of in adverts'

Spoiler: The male privelege checklist

1.My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won?t think I got my job because of my sex ? even though that might be true.

3. If I am never promoted, it?s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won?t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex?s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. .

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I?m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low.

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I?ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I?m even marginally competent.

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I?m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see ?the person in charge,? odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters.

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children?s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists are the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I?m careless with my financial affairs it won?t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I?m careless with my driving it won?t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a ?slut,? nor is there any male counterpart to ?slut-bashing.?

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability.

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women?s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman?s without tailoring.

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time.
28. If I buy a new car, chances are I?ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.

29. If I?m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a *****.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called ?crime? and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called ?domestic violence? or ?acquaintance rape,? and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. ?All men are created equal,? mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don?t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we?ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we?ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. . If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do.

43. If I am heterosexual, it?s incredibly unlikely that I?ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.
44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to ?smile.?

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment.

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

taken from: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/

You guys really don't understand how much better you have it.

This is the kind of sexism that will last as long as you believe it will. Like it or lump it no all powerful cadre of MEN rule the world. It's just people like you and me. These assumptions in the checklist are just that. Assumptions. Even if it is based on statistics, statistics are just numbers. We are people and we all have it in us to put this petty mindedness behind us and not let the sins of the past cloud our future.
No MAN has power over you. All are equal. Start believing it, PLEASE!

 

[not_you]

I believe there is some sexism towards men in the world now-a-days...

Like I just saw on the news today that two major airline-companies within Australia have now BANNED Men sitting next to unaccompanied minors on a flight.... (5-15 years of age)

Everyone else is fine to sit with them, but not men....

I think that fits into topic... I'm not sure, kinda read the first 6 lines then gave up...

 

[TheIronRuler]

Took some time to look it up and write it down properly.
In order to file a lawsuit, you need to show that you have been grieved by what you are trying to change.
The woman wanted to be a pilot but she couldn't due to the fact that the course for pilots didn't accept females at the time, there was no demand till she came along. Therefore she won.
But a man can't file a lawsuit saying that not having the time of service for men and women similar because it didn't hurt him personally, it's just not equal.
.

If that inequality affects you then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't try. If it bothers you that much that women have a privileged position in some vein of society then why not do something about it rather than just moaning about how no one does anything about it? Instead of blaming THE KILLER FEMINISTS go challenge it.

The problem is that there is a fear among journalists and others that expose themselves to the media. They fear critisizing them, their agenda. They have greated a foothold in our legal system - not women, but women belonging to groups that dehumanize men, as if they are a bank of sperm and money. These women are in positions in power that allows them some leverage when it comes to leveling the playing field , trying to prevent reforms that take away priviledges women have. They work together to better the situation of women. That's fine, but they also shoot down any claims that women have too many priviledges in certain areas.
.
When the topic of equal birth vacation comes up, the person that brings it up is usually crusified live on the TV/Radio, but when there is inequality against women the "public uproar" is immense.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I believe there is some sexism towards men in the world now-a-days...

Like I just saw on the news today that two major airline-companies within Australia have now BANNED Men sitting next to unaccompanied minors on a flight.... (5-15 years of age)

Everyone else is fine to sit with them, but not men....

I think that fits into topic... I'm not sure, kinda read the first 6 lines then gave up...

It's to prevent unneeded lawsuits.
It's not due to sexism but due to the fact that when examining sexual harrasment cases the police ruins the life of thr alleged perpetrator first and then investigates the incident. Since it happened on an airplane, the company that own and operates it is responsible for the safety of the child.

 

[Vault101]

Ok here's an Idea...

BOTH of the sexes has shit to deal with

does one have it worse? I'm not gonna comment

why is it everyone must complicate the issue?

 

[Cephei Mordred]

This will never end until we have Instrumentality.

And this is one of the main reasons we need it.

 

[EmperorSubcutaneous]

Ok here's an Idea...

BOTH of the sexes has shit to deal with

does one have it worse? I'm not gonna comment

why is it everyone must complicate the issue?

It always has to be a competition. People feel hurt, which means they must be hurting more than anyone else in the world!

 

[Colour Scientist]

The problem is that there is a fear among journalists and others that expose themselves to the media. They fear critisizing them, their agenda. They have greated a foothold in our legal system - not women, but women belonging to groups that dehumanize men, as if they are a bank of sperm and money. These women are in positions in power that allows them some leverage when it comes to leveling the playing field , trying to prevent reforms that take away priviledges women have. They work together to better the situation of women. That's fine, but they also shoot down any claims that women have too many priviledges in certain areas.
.
When the topic of equal birth vacation comes up, the person that brings it up is usually crusified live on the TV/Radio, but when there is inequality against women the "public uproar" is immense.

I'm not talking about journalists though, I'm talking about you. Why can't you try to change it? I really doubt that your legal system is that biased towards women. I've no doubt you see it that way but that seems highly unlikely.

There's a huge difference between something members of both sexes are capable of doing and actual physiological differences. Longer birth vacation is largely due to the physical recovery women have to undergo before being fit for work. Some women need a longer recovery period, it's not just for bonding with the child. The side that is for that purpose was not a concept put in place by THE KILLER FEMINISTS to oppress men. It was introduced due to the deep-seated ideas of society as a whole that women should stay at home and look after their children as opposed to pursuing a career.

 

[mad825]

Please enlighten me as to what genuine benefits men have in society now?

Well in comparison to 'we get made fun of in adverts'

Spoiler: The male privelege checklist

1.My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won?t think I got my job because of my sex ? even though that might be true.

3. If I am never promoted, it?s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won?t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex?s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. .

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I?m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low.

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I?ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I?m even marginally competent.

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I?m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see ?the person in charge,? odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters.

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children?s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists are the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I?m careless with my financial affairs it won?t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I?m careless with my driving it won?t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a ?slut,? nor is there any male counterpart to ?slut-bashing.?

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability.

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women?s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman?s without tailoring.

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time.
28. If I buy a new car, chances are I?ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.

29. If I?m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a *****.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called ?crime? and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called ?domestic violence? or ?acquaintance rape,? and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. ?All men are created equal,? mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don?t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we?ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we?ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. . If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do.

43. If I am heterosexual, it?s incredibly unlikely that I?ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.
44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to ?smile.?

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment.

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

taken from: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/

You guys really don't understand how much better you have it.

"32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, freshman, he."


That's just unfair nitpicking :/

Taking words out of context will always result in in disagreement and assumed prejudice.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I think that if women want to be on the front line then they should be allowed. If we are never allowed to do anything how will we know if we can be successful or not.

I know a massive row was caused when a woman did all of the special forces training for a BBC documentary/competition.

Gender shouldn't even come into it. If someone can pass the training needed to be in the military, then they should be let in.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

"32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, freshman, he."


That's just unfair nitpicking :/

You are probably right but that doesn't negate the other points...

I think that if women want to be on the front line then they should be allowed. If we are never allowed to do anything how will we know if we can be successful or not.

I know a massive row was caused when a woman did all of the special forces training for a BBC documentary/competition.

Gender shouldn't even come into it. If someone can pass the training needed to be in the military, then they should be let in.

There was a lot of trouble caused by it. The woman did everything required of her by the male training she even carried a bloke over a river with her pack on and his pack on. She was tall slender and very wiry.

The Military basically came back with 'women will never be in the front line becuase of psychological issues.' meaning that men have a problem with disipline when it comes to women and that they ''can't handle'' them being hurt. A similar reason is used by games developers as to why there are few female characters in games. It's a bit of shame really.

 

[Brandon237]

I think it's probably just as bad for each gender now. Women still deal with a lot of the the 'men are stronger and smarter' sorta stuff but men suffer from having to be 'manly'. I like to think that we're all just as bad as each other, regardless of gender.

This, and the fact that each gender thinks the other is worse off REALLY isn't helping. Women are more likely to be victims of crime, but this has led to certain trends in court that can screw men over. So Both end up having a disadvantage. Fantastic

And societies expectations hurt both genders. The fact that I don't play or support any ball sports has gotten me quite a few stares, and I have seen many girls get quite traumatised by the way they are sometimes treated, and indeed, treat themselves, for not looking perfect. It is terrible for everyone, so we all need to learn to grow up.

Ultimately, we are all human, that's the problem!

 

[DonMartin]

Wow your opinion is so super new and far out there. Its almost like no one has every discussed this before.

This, this and this again.

Of course there is fucking sexism against men. However, from what I hear and see, mainly personally but also through media, us guys have it way better off than women do. Seriously.

I dont like fanatic feminism, but that's because it's fanatic. Not because it's feminism.

Chill the fuck out, guys. Personally I have never felt discriminated against because of my sex, other than perhaps once or twice for doing things I consider chivalric. It's quite alright, if someone doesnt want me to do it but I still do it because I assume they wont mind, I apologize. I dont mean to be sexist, I mean to be kind. Still, other than that I treat both sexes the same way.

...And please, let's not have this "It's just because youve been brainwashed to think that feminism is more important than equality"-bullshit that sometimes pops up here. Feminism fucking promotes equality. If you have a problem with feminism, youre probably just mad with the extremists.