Sexism...society or human nature?

[Revnak_v1legacy]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

 

[Yopaz]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

You're on a web forum. People will misunderstand you. Stop acting like a child and clarify your point. Maybe make a simple list of claims like I just did.

 

[Yopaz]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

You're on a web forum. People will misunderstand you. Stop acting like a child and clarify your point. Maybe make a simple list of claims like I just did.

I hope you're reading your own post, because you do kinda give off a "You wont because you can't" kinda reasoning while at the same time calling me childish.
Call me childish if that gets you off, but what you take for childishness is simply enough maturity to see that this is going nowhere. You have already stated that your stance is impossible to prove, but your stance is right, not mine which has its source form a person with a Ph.D. on the subject. I could repeat myself in different words and try to make you understand, but I fear you would dismiss it no matter how many times I explained it to you even if I actually managed to convince you.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

You're on a web forum. People will misunderstand you. Stop acting like a child and clarify your point. Maybe make a simple list of claims like I just did.

I hope you're reading your own post, because you do kinda give off a "You wont because you can't" kinda reasoning while at the same time calling me childish.
Call me childish if that gets you off, but what you take for childishness is simply enough maturity to see that this is going nowhere. You have already stated that your stance is impossible to prove, but your stance is right, not mine which has its source form a person with a Ph.D. on the subject. I could repeat myself in different words and try to make you understand, but I fear you would dismiss it no matter how many times I explained it to you even if I actually managed to convince you.

No, I said my example was. Ever heard of feral and isolated children? They almost entirely lack sex drives and are the only known humans that have not been socialized. The reason I said my point is impossible to prove is because the sample is too small to draw any broad conclusions like that. And it doesn't get me off, I really wanted to see where this argument was going and then you backed off and just said I wasn't listening to you. My information is coming from a combination of my sociology book and my professor with a phd if that helps you come off your high horse. The only person acting dismissive here is you.

 

[Yopaz]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

You're on a web forum. People will misunderstand you. Stop acting like a child and clarify your point. Maybe make a simple list of claims like I just did.

I hope you're reading your own post, because you do kinda give off a "You wont because you can't" kinda reasoning while at the same time calling me childish.
Call me childish if that gets you off, but what you take for childishness is simply enough maturity to see that this is going nowhere. You have already stated that your stance is impossible to prove, but your stance is right, not mine which has its source form a person with a Ph.D. on the subject. I could repeat myself in different words and try to make you understand, but I fear you would dismiss it no matter how many times I explained it to you even if I actually managed to convince you.

No, I said my example was. Ever heard of feral and isolated children? They almost entirely lack sex drives and are the only known humans that have not been socialized. The reason I said my point is impossible to prove is because the sample is too small to draw any broad conclusions like that. And it doesn't get me off, I really wanted to see where this argument was going and then you backed off and just said I wasn't listening to you. My information is coming from a combination of my sociology book and my professor with a phd if that helps you come off your high horse. The only person acting dismissive here is you.

Doesn't change the fact that you called me childish in order to urge me into a discussion I said I didn't bother to go into, does it? That is a childish move and that made it even more clear that this debate isn't worth having. Consider yourself the winner of this if you get a kick out of it I honestly don't care and I don't want to repeat myself just so you can dismiss everything I say.

 

[Loner Jo Jo]

Well, since gender in it of itself is a social construct, then sexism came out of society. I think it does have a biological base, not in the sense of we are program this way, but that certain mechanics do lend itself to a certain way of thinking. Females can become pregnant. When a female is pregnant, she does need some protection not only because especially in the last few months of pregnancy, she can't do much on her own. Certainly you could not have sent them out into the wild to harvest food without someone going with her because what if an animal attacked or she went into labor? Also, after pregnancy, child rearing will take up the majority of her time at least for the first 6 months, and she can't do much in the way of harvest food or defending herself if she has a baby in her arms. I think this biological function of females lends itself to the ideas that women must be weak all of the time. Gender roles formed in society from this sex roles, and boom - sexism.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

OK, so I don't want to sound like that guy, but isn't everything we do human nature?

A society is the product of human nature. Adapting to a society is human nature. Doing what the society wants is human nature. Sexism is human nature. If it is in our nature or if it's because of a society is hard to tell, but indirectly it's human nature.

There is such a thing as an environment. That as a factor has influenced the development of society enough to say that things beyond our nature define us today. Technology is often as dependent on luck and location as it is on the inventive. Society and human nature are different, but closely tied concepts.

Sure, but how we respond to such things is human nature. Society is human nature put into a system. How we form a society on how a society works is human nature.

Once yes, but society is now way more self-replicating than most would admit, while human nature has changed over the years. Things like sex drive are no longer naturally determined, but are socially taught, and language has always been a capacity of humans rather than a thing we just do. Sometimes society even builds itself in ways that run entirely cointer to human nature, such as the Spartans or modern society.

OK, so clearly you did not understand me. A society is the product of human nature. Changes that occur over time in a society is due to human nature. If we could rule out human nature as a factor when we're talking society then a society would always stay the same. Also if you really believe that sex drive is all society then you're wrong. Or at least that is according to my professor in human behavior biology.

What I'm saying is that they are connected but different things, and my example is simply a favorite that can never be proven. Change would still occur anyway. Did human nature invent the plow or the steamboat? Those two inventions completely changed the stages of society. In all honesty I think the two are fairly inseparable and both add to and change each other, but it is still important to understand that both exist and sometimes do work independently of one another.

Thanks for confirming that you haven't really been reading what I am saying. I feel no need to repeat what I said earlier since I have no doubt that you will ignore it or disagree no matter how many times I do so.

You're saying that human nature creates society, I'm saying they change each other. You're saying that society is human nature put into a system, I'm saying that society that is influenced and favored by nature, but is not always in agreement with it. You say change within society is caused by human nature, I say it is almost entirely caused by other factors.

Yeah, you have managed to understand about half of what I was trying to say. Great job.

You're on a web forum. People will misunderstand you. Stop acting like a child and clarify your point. Maybe make a simple list of claims like I just did.

I hope you're reading your own post, because you do kinda give off a "You wont because you can't" kinda reasoning while at the same time calling me childish.
Call me childish if that gets you off, but what you take for childishness is simply enough maturity to see that this is going nowhere. You have already stated that your stance is impossible to prove, but your stance is right, not mine which has its source form a person with a Ph.D. on the subject. I could repeat myself in different words and try to make you understand, but I fear you would dismiss it no matter how many times I explained it to you even if I actually managed to convince you.

No, I said my example was. Ever heard of feral and isolated children? They almost entirely lack sex drives and are the only known humans that have not been socialized. The reason I said my point is impossible to prove is because the sample is too small to draw any broad conclusions like that. And it doesn't get me off, I really wanted to see where this argument was going and then you backed off and just said I wasn't listening to you. My information is coming from a combination of my sociology book and my professor with a phd if that helps you come off your high horse. The only person acting dismissive here is you.

Doesn't change the fact that you called me childish in order to urge me into a discussion I said I didn't bother to go into, does it? That is a childish move and that made it even more clear that this debate isn't worth having. Consider yourself the winner of this if you get a kick out of it I honestly don't care and I don't want to repeat myself just so you can dismiss everything I say.

Damnit, I don't want to be the winner! I want to learn something out of this! I want to discuss something! I am calling you childish because you're calling me out on things I never did and never intended to do and you stubbornly refuse to discuss something because we had a misunderstanding! But fine, have it your way. I can't make you discuss this if you don't want to, no matter how much I want you to. Just dismiss everything I've said as some stubborn idiot trying to goad you into a pointless argument if you want. There are other people out there more willing to discuss things.