SEXISM! What's with the standards?

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dobahci

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Matthew94 said:
I... what?

I'm honestly confused. Where did I contradict myself?

And why would I need to try to save face?

If you want me to clarify what I said about the goals of feminism, I wasn't saying that it actually wants to give the advantage to women. I said that's what some people seem to think it wants.

Does that help?

EDIT: Random note: I'm a guy. Why do anti-feminists always assume that if you support the ideas of feminism, you must be a woman?
 

Phasmal

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Monoochrom said:
I find it interesting that some people constantly say that men have allllll thse advantages, yet always neglect to name any of them.
The Male Privilege Checklist

1. My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won?t think I got my job because of my sex ? even though that might be true.

3. If I am never promoted, it?s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won?t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex?s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are.

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I?m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low.

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I?ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I?m even marginally competent.

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I?m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see ?the person in charge,? odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters. (More).

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children?s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I?m careless with my financial affairs it won?t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I?m careless with my driving it won?t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a ?slut,? nor is there any male counterpart to ?slut-bashing.?

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability.

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women?s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman?s without tailoring.

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time.

28. If I buy a new car, chances are I?ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car. (More).

29. If I?m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a *****.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called ?crime? and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called ?domestic violence? or ?acquaintance rape,? and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. ?All men are created equal,? mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don?t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we?ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we?ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. (More). If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do.

43. If I am heterosexual, it?s incredibly unlikely that I?ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover.

44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to ?smile.?.

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment. (More.)

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.

There you go, dude.
Have fun.

EDIT: Just so I dont get told off for low content.
I wonder why this is so prevalent in the gaming community.
We always like to say we're so inclusive.

EDIT2: Oh, and Happy International Womens Day.
 

Phasmal

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Tree man said:
That is weird, I find it stranger still considering the fact that games generally don't care about the gender of character, men and women are both equally epic bad asses.
It is weird, but its no coincidence.
The gaming community has a big problem with sexism.
Its everyday, its just what happens.

Honestly, I think if more male gamers could address each other about it, we may be able to move forward at some point. Its as simple as a guy saying `Thats not okay` when a friend crosses the line.

Matthew94 said:
When I read that boys get more attention from teachers I couldn't read any more.

The schooling system is geared towards girls and from experience they get far more attention from teachers.
Well, seeing as you found one point that you disagreed with and then stopped reading, and judging from your imput so far, I guess I can't read anything else you say.
 

Phasmal

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Matthew94 said:
I found your 2nd edit hilariously hypocritical.

You are unaware of your privilege yet you say the same about us.

Tell me, where are all the men only laws, men only health reforms etc? Oh wait, there are none.

It's completely irrational how women have a greater life expectancy yet they campaign for many of the aforementioned healthcare bills, seeing as men do not live as long surely we should be the ones the healthcare system should focus on to try and reduce the death gap, no?
Well it is International Womens Day, celebrating how far we have come giving rights to women. Still there are countries where women cant drive.
We have a way to go.

As for your second point, its waffly and hard to read, but women don't live longer because of societal reasons, its biological. I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but of course everyone should recieve medical care. :p
 

Phasmal

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Matthew94 said:
My point is that women receive special treatment in regards to healthcare when it is men who do not live as long and obviously are the ones who need that care more.

Also it is not just biological, men tend to take harder and more stressful jobs which lead to a shorter lifespan and that's not just me saying that, my female (seeing as it probably needs to said) teacher said this very thing as a reason for the difference in lifespan.

Women tend to take easier jobs like desk jobs over men which lead to a long lifespan.
The only special treatment (and I use that very sceptically, because my experiences of doctors hasn't been great, and trust me, I was not treated specially at all) we receive in regards to healthcare is usually on stuff that affects us either only or a lot more.

Women do tend to go to the doctors more, in my experience, most of the men I know seem to think its unmanly to go to the doctors.

Perhaps we should encourage more women to take physical jobs (but it is a major boys club at the moment), but hopefully not so they can just die quicker.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Phasmal said:
Matthew94 said:
I found your 2nd edit hilariously hypocritical.

You are unaware of your privilege yet you say the same about us.

Tell me, where are all the men only laws, men only health reforms etc? Oh wait, there are none.

It's completely irrational how women have a greater life expectancy yet they campaign for many of the aforementioned healthcare bills, seeing as men do not live as long surely we should be the ones the healthcare system should focus on to try and reduce the death gap, no?
Well it is International Womens Day, celebrating how far we have come giving rights to women. Still there are countries where women cant drive.
We have a way to go.

As for your second point, its waffly and hard to read, but women don't live longer because of societal reasons, its biological. I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but of course everyone should recieve medical care. :p
My point is that women receive special treatment in regards to healthcare when it is men who do not live as long and obviously are the ones who need that care more.

Also it is not just biological, men tend to take harder and more stressful jobs which lead to a shorter lifespan and that's not just me saying that, my female (seeing as it probably needs to said) teacher said this very thing as a reason for the difference in lifespan.

Women tend to take easier jobs like desk jobs over men which lead to a long lifespan.
Women are more likely to suffer from chronic illnesses then men though. Particularly things like osteoparosis. Men tend to die from more sudden illnesses, such as heart attacks, and there isn't a tremendous amount healthcare organisations can do about stuff like that, it's mainly healthy lifestyles that help that. However, health care organisations can do a lot about chronic illnesses.