SEXISM! What's with the standards?

[Darius Brogan]

EDIT: Oh yes, just for the record, He didn't 'leave anything out' of his story, and I didn't 'Miss anything' because I was there. Right there, in person. When she went off her rocker and decided she was going to sue. If I hadn't been tthere, I wouldn't have bothered to say anything.

EDIT2: To those intelligent enough to note such, or at least not assume the opposite, I thank you.

To those arrogant, or presumptuous enough to assume that I'm bitching about sexism against males, while ignoring such against women, go outside more often, your opinion has blackened your brain too much.

I posted this topic because I had it in mind at the time, not because of any deep seated hatred for women, not because of fear, not because I'm a misogynist, but because it was on my mind.

I know full well how sexism is used against women, an I'm appalled by it, but I don't live under a freaking rock, so I can note with certainty that men have it, currently, just as bad, and it's almost exclusively overlooked for no apparent reason.

I find this curious, therefore, I wish to know why so many women complain of sexism, yet sexism against men is ignored. Is there a problem with that?

I didn't think so, but, judging from the comments, there is.

Next time I'll know better than to expect any form of reasonable discussion from 9/10ths of this forum.

 

[Brandon237]

That is pretty shocking. There are certainly places where women DO have the disadvantage in modern society, but in smaller lawsuits... not so much. If it is a huge case that has people watching, the law is generally fair with how it treats the sexes. Smaller courts and laws that are not going to be enforced in huge, well-watched cases do have very... strong leanings.

Sexism both ways is still a beotch in modern society, and this just shows why, in order to find true equality, you need to look at both sides of the story.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

I'm somewhat skeptical regarding your anecdotal story. Even in a country with outlandishly frivolous lawsuits, that one sounds a bit far fetched. Especially considering a group of witnesses who could have testified on his behalf. Something seems amiss.

You'll get no argument from me regarding the various double standards the genders have to face in various facets of their lives. But I'd like to know more about your friends situation.

 

[omega 616]

I like what Bill Burr said on the situation.

He basically said "you can have the most hardcore, man hating femi-nazi on the planet but I guarantee that if that woman was in a titanic situation they wouldn't be saying "women and children first? Fuck that! Men, go ahead!"".

To be honest, I have to agree with that. He also went on to joke "women just want to pick and choose the perks of being a man, "pee standing up? I'll have that ... pay for dinner? no they can keep that"".

I think I might just find the video ... go to 2:20


Ok so I kind of butchered the jokes but I was close enough.

 

[Suicidejim]

I used to be pretty confident with my stances on the whole issue of sexism, gender roles and the like, but the more time I spend on forums the less sure I am of anything anymore. I'm hoping that this one won't turn to Hell, but I can't say I have much confidence that it won't.

On another note, you deserve some credit for using the term 'radical feminists' and not just feminists. The two get equated far too frequently.

 

[GigaHz]

I'm somewhat skeptical regarding your anecdotal story. Even in a country with outlandishly frivolous lawsuits, that one sounds a bit far fetched. Especially considering a group of witnesses who could have testified on his behalf. Something seems amiss.

You'll get no argument from me regarding the various double standards the genders have to face in various facets of their lives. But I'd like to know more about your friends situation.

I side with this person.

The story seems a bit 'off' to me. Either there's a large chunk you've left out or there's a large chunk he left out when he told you.

No Judge or Jury with integrity would condemn a man so harshly based on what amounts to anecdotal evidence.

 

[Phasmal]

Snip.

UUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHH

Apparently this needs saying, because we are all five. There are terrible PEOPLE. Some PEOPLE are terrible. Yes?

It is very hard for legitimate victims of sexual assault/harrassment at work to get recognised, and stupid statements like `Women expect X` dont HELP anyone.
Women are not one being.
Women are not all out for money at work.
Some PEOPLE are out for money at work.
And terrible WOMEN are not TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.
Yes, it sucks that she was believed, I'm really suprised the dude couldn't appeal.

Being a woman on this forum is getting fucking tiring.

As other people have said, it does sound like your friend could be leaving things out.
Can we just get over this, gaming community?
Because I'm getting worried about you.

 

[Swyftstar]

I agree that the story does sound a bit extreme but anybody who has ever had to sit through a sexual harrassment seminar before getting a job knows that most of it is pretty stupid. If you flirt with someone who flirts back and that makes somebody else nearby uncomfortable, they can file suit. It's ridiculous. If a boss is taking advantage of a subordinate then, of course it's harrassment. Other than that, it is just human interaction. If someone makes you uncomfortable, tell them, deal with them, human to human. If that doesn't work, then tell a superior, but filing suit is such a copout on being a human being.

 

[deathspa202]

I'm somewhat skeptical regarding your anecdotal story. Even in a country with outlandishly frivolous lawsuits, that one sounds a bit far fetched. Especially considering a group of witnesses who could have testified on his behalf. Something seems amiss.

You'll get no argument from me regarding the various double standards the genders have to face in various facets of their lives. But I'd like to know more about your friends situation.

I side with this person.

The story seems a bit 'off' to me. Either there's a large chunk you've left out or there's a large chunk he left out when he told you.

No Judge or Jury with integrity would condemn a man so harshly based on what amounts to anecdotal evidence.

And I'm going to have to agree with these two people. I think that if this did indeed happen it represents a very small minority of the court cases that exist and its a shame that it does happen, however the problem of sexism against those of double X chromosome variety is much more prevalent. If we are to address this issue those we must attack the courts that ineffectively and wrongfully convict those alleged wrongdoers, not feminism as a whole, especially considering that the feminism that gets brought up on forum discussion is exactly the kind that most feminists are against.

 

[Phasmal]

Although your story is a bit far fetched I do notice a tendency to side with women or give preferential treatment in the name of "equality" and "just because" or [insert BS reason here].

Just look at things like divorces, child custody, domestic violence or our schooling systems to see it in action.

As a man, you notice the stuff skewed against you.
As a woman, you notice the stuff skewed against you.
It sucks to be everybody, lets try and make the world a better place.

As for the child custody, most times people dont even GO for custody. And mothers are usually the childs primary caregiver, so there's that too.
Domestic violence, I'm not even going to go there, but considering women are more likely to be flipping MURDERED by their partners, I'm not entirely sure why you have an issue with it.

 

[Darius Brogan]

While we're on this topic, why is it that any MALE claiming sexual harassment is pretty much told to man-up and quit being a fucking pussy?

Yes, because everyone besides you is some faceless group that is just unfathomably inconsistent. How about the people who tell them to man up etc are sexists and not necessarily people who really care about equality? The people that say that kind of shit about manning up and people being pussies tend to be obnoxious, overly macho, and pretty clearly sexist.

What do you mean 'everyone besides me'?

 

[Darius Brogan]

I used to be pretty confident with my stances on the whole issue of sexism, gender roles and the like, but the more time I spend on forums the less sure I am of anything anymore. I'm hoping that this one won't turn to Hell, but I can't say I have much confidence that it won't.

On another note, you deserve some credit for using the term 'radical feminists' and not just feminists. The two get equated far too frequently.

You can believe what you want, but the story is true.

As stated in the OP, he shall remain nameless, but his total loss, counting legal fees, was $175,895.00

She completely destroyed him.

Just for the record though, I'm not using just this one experience to color my thoughts or opinions. I've read about and witnessed dozens of accounts over the years, but I was actually talking about this instance earlier today, so it was fresh in my mind.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Snip.

UUUUUUUGGHHHHHHHH

Apparently this needs saying, because we are all five. There are terrible PEOPLE. Some PEOPLE are terrible. Yes?

It is very hard for legitimate victims of sexual assault/harrassment at work to get recognised, and stupid statements like `Women expect X` dont HELP anyone.
Women are not one being.
Women are not all out for money at work.
Some PEOPLE are out for money at work.
And terrible WOMEN are not TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.
Yes, it sucks that she was believed, I'm really suprised the dude couldn't appeal.

Being a woman on this forum is getting fucking tiring.

As other people have said, it does sound like your friend could be leaving things out.
Can we just get over this, gaming community?
Because I'm getting worried about you.

I'm WELL AWARE that people in general are/can be horrible.
And that women are not one being.
And that women are not all out for money.
And that PEOPLE are/can be out for money.
And that 'Terrible women are not terrible because they are women'

My POINT is that situations like the one my friend went through are entirely too common these days.

No, he wasn't leaving things out, I was called as a witness in his case for a very specific reason. That reason being: I witnessed the whole scenario play out. I saw exactly what went down, and what didn't.

What kind of 'Women expect x' did I mention? The women at the workplace bit?
Here's an example for you: Another friend, Jordan, was a steelworker for about four years way back in B.C. He worked re-bar and there were three women on the eight person crew. Of those three women, only ONE didn't complain about how difficult the work was, and consistently showed up and worked with her best efforts. The other two took FOUR half hour breaks throughout the day and produced half the results in a ten hour day as everyone else.
When the boss decided tat they weren't up to the job standards and cut their pay, they lost it and demanded, get this, 'Equal pay, for equal work', despite not doing an 'equal' amount of work.

Seriously, if you're mature enough to state 'because we're all five' why aren't you mature enough to leave your gender out of a conversation?

Oh yeah, for the record, nothing in the OP is a reference to anything I've gone through, just observations. Observations that happen to be in reference to Sexism, but observations nonetheless.

The source, by the way, for my conversatuion on sexism earlier today was about a rather substantially growing movement of Radical Feminists believing that, get this, ALL MEN ARE WORTHLESS PIGS, based on ONLY THEIR EXPERIENCES.

I don't give a shit about how irritating or tiring it is to 'be a woman on this site/forum'. If you have a problem with an honest observation, go elsewhere.

 

[Freechoice]

To anyone who thinks that the gender divisions are equal, look at the TV Tropes page linked below. Nearly all of the male examples are either bodily or psychologically harmful if they occur. A lot of the female examples only occur as tropes in entertainment/art works.

Link [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandard?from=Main.DoubleStandards]

 

[Darius Brogan]

To anyone who thinks that the gender divisions are equal, look at the TV Tropes page linked below. Nearly all of the male examples are either bodily or psychologically harmful if they occur. A lot of the female examples only occur as tropes in entertainment/art works.

Link [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandard?from=Main.DoubleStandards]

This may come off as a bald-faced-lie, but I've personally experienced almost all the Male Tropes in my life-time...

It's terrifyingly sad that I've brushed it off so often.

 

[Suicidejim]

I used to be pretty confident with my stances on the whole issue of sexism, gender roles and the like, but the more time I spend on forums the less sure I am of anything anymore. I'm hoping that this one won't turn to Hell, but I can't say I have much confidence that it won't.

On another note, you deserve some credit for using the term 'radical feminists' and not just feminists. The two get equated far too frequently.

You can believe what you want, but the story is true.

As stated in the OP, he shall remain nameless, but his total loss, counting legal fees, was $175,895.00

She completely destroyed him.

Just for the record though, I'm not using just this one experience to color my thoughts or opinions. I've read about and witnessed dozens of accounts over the years, but I was actually talking about this instance earlier today, so it was fresh in my mind.

I didn't express any disbelief in your story. Are you sure you quoted the right guy?