Sexual Fantasy vs. Sexual Morality

[Bara_no_Hime]

If you have sex outside of marriage you are an adulterer. You're free to do it but that doesn't mean you should.

That entirely depends on the marriage. My spouce and I enjoy the occasional guest star, or guest stars, in the bedroom. You're only an adulterer if you don't have permission. Otherwise, you're just a couple that enjoys some extra-marital fun.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Morality doesn't exist. It's an antiquated social construct old and conservative people use to justify their bigotry and their megalomaniac tendencies to want to run other people's lives as a vicarious way to overcompensate for their own sad existence.

I disagree. Morality does exist - rape and murder are things I think we can all get behind as morally wrong.

I think a better way to make your point is to say that sex has nothing to do with morality. The idea of any sexual act (apart from rape) being immoral is an "antiquated social construct".

 

[JoeThree]

My belief is as follows: Your right to extand your fist ends at someone else's nose. That can pretty much be used in all situations involving civil rights, including sex.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

When I was still a psychology major, I was interested in trying to find out what caused the various fetishes, because, as I'm sure most of us have seen, there are some freaky ones out there. I'm not really for or againt any particular sexual act, as long as it involves two or more (if you're into that) consenting adults and no one gets hurt beyond their expectations (again, one of those "if you're into that" things). As long as so unreasonable harm/trauma occurs and the people are OK with it, why bother? Now people and animals (not furries, that's a little different)...I'm not for that. At all. I'm not militant about my dislike of it, but I see it in much the same way as I see people who are actracted to underage people; it shouldn't be done, period.

 

[Daveman]

What people do behind closed doors is no concern of mine, and it should be of no concern to anyone else.

What about the helpful bus?
[sub][sub]I seriously hope people don't think I'm actually posting porn.[/sub][/sub]

that shit was funnny :L

don't lie you want people to think your posting porn

So long as I don't get prob(ation)ed.

 

[Verp]

or sufficiently close equivalents

How close is sufficient? Is it the same for everyone and every sex act?

A couple of years here and there from the age of consent as long as the participants are of roughly the same age so exploitation is less likely to become systematic.

As for individual cases -- I guess every sex act is different, but quite honestly, it's not very relevant to my interests.

 

[Caliostro]

I disagree. Morality does exist - rape and murder are things I think we can all get behind as morally wrong.

I think a better way to make your point is to say that sex has nothing to do with morality. The idea of any sexual act (apart from rape) being immoral is an "antiquated social construct".

Wrong. If we all agreed that rape and murder are bad things, rapists and murderers wouldn't exist. So, apparently, at least some people think it's ok.

Also rape and murder aren't a matter of "morality", they're a matter of freedom. One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins. So a person's freedom to rape and murder kinda ends when it collides with another person's freedom of not being raped and murdered.

Morality is when people say "I dislike this! EVERYONE should dislike this! And if you don't dislike this, you're wrong!". Some would call that ethnocentrism.

 

[lacktheknack]

I've drawn my line, who am I to draw yours?

Don't expect me to encourage you, though.

 

[Worgen]

what 2 or more people and a donkey and a midget want to do behind closed doors is no business of mine

 

[TimeLord]

If it's legal, I'm fine with it.

If it's illegal, you need help and locking up.

 

[AmayaOnnaOtaku]

Every girl I've ever been with has cried out the safeword LONG before I've reached my own theoretical limit (which frankly scares me), so I lost the right to judge ANYONE for their sexual morality.

Sounds like the guys I usually dated. And frankly vanilla sex gets old FAST.

And considering oral sex and anal sex are illegal in VA, I wont even use the laws as my moral guide.

 

[ramboondiea]

BAH! for a man and women to hold hands whilst walking the streets, should be a crime punishable by stoning!

okay i joke, im up for a lot of things but i draw the line and really weird things, so im less vanilla and more strawberry serbert ha

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

At the end of the day, I myself have done things that I'm sure many of you may deem 'Unacceptable', so I feel that, as long as it's done with consent on all sides of those concerned...there shouldn't really be a line, as such.

Appropriate ages etc considered, obviously...but then, what is the appropriate age for what?

Well, at the risk of me being a hypocrite, I'd say 14.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Social norms are BS anyways.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Wrong. If we all agreed that rape and murder are bad things, rapists and murderers wouldn't exist. So, apparently, at least some people think it's ok.

Also rape and murder aren't a matter of "morality", they're a matter of freedom. One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins. So a person's freedom to rape and murder kinda ends when it collides with another person's freedom of not being raped and murdered.

Morality is when people say "I dislike this! EVERYONE should dislike this! And if you don't dislike this, you're wrong!". Some would call that ethnocentrism.

Only psycopaths don't have morality but they can still reason to an approximate, just like the example you gave.
Morality is not universal, it varies but there is a lot of common ground and upon that we build our communities and socities.
It is primarily biological but nuture also more than sets its finger print. It is argued that psycopaths are more or less purely caused by nature and sociopaths are caused by nuture.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I don't care. Do what you want behind closed doors. It isn't like I can or want to stop you...

As long as it's consensual and the intent is honest you can have 5 partners and chain them up for an 8 hour S&M session for all I care...

 

[Caliostro]

Only psycopaths don't have morality but they can still reason to an approximate, just like the example you gave.
Morality is not universal, it varies but there is a lot of common ground and upon that we build our communities and socities.
It is primarily biological but nuture also more than sets its finger print. It is argued that psycopaths are more or less purely caused by nature and sociopaths are caused by nuture.

Nobody has morality. Morality isn't real. It's a concept we invented so we could put a social stranglehold on other people's lives. Morality exists no more than souls, or good and evil.

What you call "morality" are values, which are personal. Morality is an attempt to enforce those personal values.

As for biology, rape and murder are biological. We're hot wired to have sex when we can. Reproduction of the species is our prime directive, even above self-preservation. So there is, in fact, nothing more natural than rape. Before we developed concepts like "freedom" and "justice" rape was pretty standard. Was just the concept of "rape" didn't exist because there was no such a thing as the concept of "consent" either. Murder is just our most extreme response to feeling threatened. Hell, you can still find places in the world that operate like that, sadly.

 

[baddude1337]

I'm personally not into any weird shit. But I mean if some people are into stuff and they want to explore it, they should.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Nobody has morality. Morality isn't real. It's a concept we invented so we could put a social stranglehold on other people's lives. Morality exists no more than souls, or good and evil.

So you feel the need to rape and murder since you feel a social constrain by other people's "morality"?
If not then it is not as "natural"(I'll use the word common instead) as you say it is, and you share this personal value with most people, and that is what we call morality.

Morality is the common ground of personal views of many people.

And if rape is so natural, why does it not happen all the time with animals? We share common morality traits with many animals, because it is best for the species in most cases.