Sexual liberation

[Blaster395]

Not really. Personally I find the concept of "Sexual Liberation" to be mostly (the "sexuality shouldn't be persecuted" parts are perfectly fine by my standards) a bit distasteful and lessens the emotional significance of sex. Regardless, to each his own. I plan on patience and waiting, other people don't. I don't really have a right to tell them how to act.

Part of 'Sexual Liberation' is to be permitted to attach whatever emotional meaning (even none) to sex.

 

[Levethian]

Seems naive to hope that natural rules will wither with the application of societal rules. The male biological imperative is to spread their seed (hence 'stud' = fulfilling natural imperative = kudos). The female is tasked with selecting the best seeds and nurturing her babies (hence 'slut' = not quite sticking to the natural plan, however sexist the plan may be = derision).

Sex will never be just entertainment. The primitive mental weight of millions of years of evolution demanding that we pro-create is too much to ignore.

 

[blackrave]

Liberation is overrated and too much exploited
"Right, the fact that you have fucked dozens of partners doesn't mean you're a whore, you're simply "liberated". Well, yeah, good luck with that."

As for "liberated" girls, you can be as "liberated" as you want, just somewhere far away from me.
"No, the fact that you treat sex as some sort of sport, doesn't make you right. You know that eventually you'll have sack instead of vagina, right?"

At this point I'm getting desperate due to the fact that all women I encounter are "liberated" and none I have met share my beliefs.
My beliefs are that people should be as monogamous as possible and intercourse isn't some sort of fast food, but most people, treat it as some sort of fuck'n'go set. Maybe it is due to my theoretical self-education in arts of intimacy, but I consider intimacy as an almost sacred act. It shouldn't be thrown at anyone you barely know or someone you're not sure about. For crying out loud people, please have some decency and self-respect. Please don't masturbate with another person! Please don't fuck alive fleshbags! Please think with your heads not with your genitals!

P.S. Theoretical self-education- that sounds sad and depressing :/. Can someone throw in some of "forever alone" poster?

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

The public attitude towards sexuality that condemns the natural, the human body, must weigh on the mind of most of us.

I wouldn't really know about that, i never got the impression that there were many people advancing public nudity. There's this naked rambler here in the UK who keeps on getting arrested for repeatedly hiking in the nude and there isn't exactly a public outcry against him being given jail sentences.

I don't think there are many people who want to see other peoples naked bodies quite frankly. I remember going through the showers coming out of a swimming pool in Germany and seeing an old man naked in the nude. It wasn't a pleasant sight at all. I'm all in favour of nudist beaches, and even nude nature trails if they are properly enclosed from the general public, but i'd rather not see the average layperson in the nude.

Then don't look at them. You'd be surprised, when public nudity is legal for a few years you wouldn't even look twice at anyone. And more importantly, kids wouldn't see it as anything out of the ordinary, and sex/nudity wouldn't be taboo or something desirable to engage in simply because of the rebellion factor.

Compare it to something like public kissing. Shocking to some societies, perfectly normal in the modern west.

I think that's a poor example myself, and that it underlines a fundamental flaw in your theory. I have lived in metropolitan areas of Canada all my life, which is to say a fairly permissive and socially liberal area of the western world.

I still find public kissing to be kind of... gross... it just doesn't seem to be appropriate behaviour in public (for the record I am talking about gay guys kissing, guys kissing girls, girls kissing guys, whatever).

What it comes down to for me is privacy. Privacy is important, and it works both ways. A person shouldn't have others intrude into their private life, and they shouldn't allow their private life to intrude on others.

There are an awful lot of people who I don't want to see naked, it would be incredibly rude for them to force their nudity on me. Taking a shit is pretty goddam natural, doesn't mean you should do it in front of other people... nudity kind of follows the same pattern.

My point being that I don't care what anyone does in private, but you have no fucking right to try and force everyone into your shitty little communal society fairy-world of infinite tolerance that would in fact be incredibly oppressive to many people such as myself.

You criticize my example and then compare public nudity to taking a shit in public? Okay, let's have another example: t-shirts. According to your logic, whereby one shouldn't be allowed to do something that might be 'oppressive' to others, anyone wearing those heavy metal t-shirts with demons or religious figures, or offensive band-names like "Jesus Chainsaw Carnage", should all be banned on the street, at risk of offending Christians. Also ban miniskirts and cleavage, because those might offend Muslims.

And what does privacy have to do with anything? If you don't want to be seen kissing or nude, do it in private? No one's talking about forcing people to do it.

The point remains, if you don't want to see a nude person, don't fucking look at them. Like someone with an offensive t-shirt, just look away. You can't exactly avoid inhaling the smell of someone's feces that have been dropped on the street, but you can control where you look.

Oh yeah, and if you find kissing disgusting, i'd advise moving country because you're about 60 years behind the times. You live in a reasonably progressive and open country and if you can't deal with that it's your problem, not everyone else's.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Being Asexual is to be Sex Free so I'd say I'm sexually liberated in a pretty literal way. You know, because puns! Even if I wasn't being a male in the US seems like a free pass to do just about anything with another consenting adult.

 

[Vault101]

Again, this hasn't been a thing that exists since the '50s or early '60s.
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bullshit

no its not "as" obvious but you can;t honestly tell me all is perfect is societyland in regards to this kind of thing

the attitiude still exists in both forms..

 

[Vault101]

Lets not forget the other double standard that accompanies that one: a guy virgin is a failure of humanity, a guy who doesnt get laid as much as others is less manly and is lower on the pecking order in the circles that espouse these views, whereas for women being a virgin is usually seen as a good thing and a woman hasnt slept around is seen as more attractive.

I'm not denying a double standard on both sides....but then the last point CAN also apply to girls depending on context (retarded context it seems)

and thats the confusing part, in highschool I remember there were all kinds of mixed messages, the word slut is tossed around yet being a virgin was somtimes seen as a "bad" thing? I dont friggen know

 

[Easton Dark]

being a virgin was somtimes seen as a "bad" thing? I dont friggen know

Being a virgin's only seen as bad by the guy who sleeps around with a lot of chicks and then sets his sights on you, in a "aw she might not put out" kind of way.

See? This person has a specific attitude toward promiscuity that is leveled against both men and women indiscriminately.

I can show you plenty of leaders in the U.S. government who think different (I don't to get political in a sex thread though!)

 

[Vault101]

snip?

oh boo freaking hoo "some people have different moral standards that me!" well too bad

how others aproach their sexuality is not "morally the same" across the board...where do you draw th eline anyway? whats the acceptible number of sexual parters? 2? 4? 7? if the girl you were with somehow had 7 boyfreinds beofre is she a whore now?

and that vagina becoming loose is bullshit I'm pretty sure

 

[lacktheknack]

Oh yeah, and if you find kissing disgusting, i'd advise moving country because you're about 60 years behind the times. You live in a reasonably progressive and open country and if you can't deal with that it's your problem, not everyone else's.

I find kissing gross for the exact same reasons I find nose-picking gross.

Not all people who disagree with the "sexual revolution" do so entirely because they're "behind the times".

 

[Stasisesque]

I like sex. I like to have sex whenever I please, with whomever I please (consensual, before anyone jumps on that, ahem), however I please. In that sense, I feel sexually liberated.

 

[Vault101]

Being a virgin's only seen as bad by the guy who sleeps around with a lot of chicks and then sets his sights on you, in a "aw she might not put out" kind of way.

and then you get labelled fridgid (by girls too) its just...messed up

I find kissing gross for the exact same reasons I find nose-picking gross.
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have you ever done it before?...its actually not that bad..even though I found the Idea pretty gross originally

now oral sex on the other hand *shudder* that disgusts me now as much as it did back then (he urinates out of that thing dammit!) I was actually a bit disturbed when I first heard the concept

Huh. Maybe my HS experience was unusual. I went to Zero Fucks Given That Day High.

oh I got another one.....when a photo or video of a girl gets passed around among all the schools/ guys phones in the area...people will gawk..mabye call her a slut

but nothing is said of the asshole who sent it out in the first place.....it actually makes me angry because of how damaging somthing like that is

 

[Poindexter]

I don't much think Im sexually liberated. I CAN have sex with anything I want but don't. Its the chains of fearing the backlash of what comes with it. If you are known as a sexual libertine people either treat you like a god or they find your every action suspect as taking you at face value may lead to them being dragged down to the icy depths by your libido. In turn if you don't want to gain a reputation you either keep your sexual proclivity under wraps or keep it in check only dragging it out for special occasions.

That and you need to fear your own genitalia. Is is too big? Too small? Is it supposed to curve like that? Does it look like a roast beef sandwich exploded in a box of cow tongues?

 

[Easton Dark]

Being a virgin's only seen as bad by the guy who sleeps around with a lot of chicks and then sets his sights on you, in a "aw she might not put out" kind of way.

and then you get labelled frigid* (by girls too) its just...messed up

But still, unless they're just trying to be assholes, only the people that want the sex should actually care.

now oral sex on the other hand *shudder* that disgusts me now as much as it did back then (he urinates out of that thing dammit!) I was actually a bit disturbed when I first heard the concept

About that, erections make it difficult and painful to pee. Besides, urine's sterile

(could say the same thing about regular sex if you put thought into it)

 

[lacktheknack]

I find kissing gross for the exact same reasons I find nose-picking gross.
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have you ever done it before?...its actually not that bad..even though I found the Idea pretty gross originally

now oral sex on the other hand *shudder* that disgusts me now as much as it did back then (he urinates out of that thing dammit!) I was actually a bit disturbed when I first heard the concept

I have. It was... wet. And sloppy. And I'm not a germophobe by any standard, but I felt pretty squicked out afterwards. Didn't taste good, either.

I'm more of a "hands on" person anyways. Hugs are waaaay better than kisses.

As for oral sex... I'm a bit neutral on it right now. It's not really attractive when you actually think about it, but then, neither is normal sex.

 

[game-lover]

And what does privacy have to do with anything? If you don't want to be seen kissing or nude, do it in private? No one's talking about forcing people to do it.

The point remains, if you don't want to see a nude person, don't fucking look at them. Like someone with an offensive t-shirt, just look away. You can't exactly avoid inhaling the smell of someone's feces that have been dropped on the street, but you can control where you look.

Oh yeah, and if you find kissing disgusting, i'd advise moving country because you're about 60 years behind the times. You live in a reasonably progressive and open country and if you can't deal with that it's your problem, not everyone else's.

He didn't say he finds kissing in itself disgusting. He said he finds kissing in "public" disgusting. There's a difference.

And the reason he said so is because he believes it's a private thing. I'm inclined to agree. Not everyone wants to see people publicly displaying their affection. Some people think that if couples wanna go around shoving their tongues down each other's throats and playing tonsil hockey, they should do it in private. Get a room and all that shit.

Funny thing about choosing not to look at something is that before they can choose to do that, they will have to have been forced to witness such a thing first.

Sure, you can avert your eyes so you don't have to see the naked dude anymore. But in that instant where the decision to look away was made, you already got a look at him. You can't unsee that. You'll remember seeing the naked fella even if it was only just a second.

While if said nudist or making out couple hadn't been doing what they were doing in public, one would never have to witness such a thing.

Personally, I found it a bit distasteful myself because it always seemed to me that it was proof that humanity seems to be lacking in willpower when sex is involved. Like it's an example of the lack of self-control that seems to result.

 

[loc978]

Me personally? I absolutely feel sexually liberated and it's quite important to me.
Culture around the US, however... I think we've got a lot of hangups that we need to work on as a group... both among the sexually active and the sexually repressed. Too many harsh judgments coming from both sides.

All I can say is don't be afraid to indulge yourselves... responsibly and with regard for the feelings of whomever you do so with.