Sexuality in Mass Effect
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Come here Mother Yeti.... I'm going to let you in on a secret.
IT IS BIOWARE'S FUCKING GAME, NOT YOURS
Seriously, if you don't like it then don't buy the fucking game. No one here wants to hear you whine. Go Removed -Mod here if you want to do pointless whining without ANY solid ground to stand on.
Besides, BioWare isn't homophobic, as Zevran he knows.
You must have some real balls, or be darn stupid to think that you have the right to tell BioWare how to make their game. If you don't like it that fine, but don't try to tell them that they can't do X, because it is their game and they can do whatever the fuck they want to do with it.
IT IS BIOWARE'S FUCKING GAME, NOT YOURS
Seriously, if you don't like it then don't buy the fucking game. No one here wants to hear you whine. Go Removed -Mod here if you want to do pointless whining without ANY solid ground to stand on.
Besides, BioWare isn't homophobic, as Zevran he knows.
You must have some real balls, or be darn stupid to think that you have the right to tell BioWare how to make their game. If you don't like it that fine, but don't try to tell them that they can't do X, because it is their game and they can do whatever the fuck they want to do with it.
God forbid someone criticizes something you enjoy, eh? Jesus.Shycte said:
I honestly don't have a problem with male Shepard being straight because it fits his character (in my opinion), but Bioware has a track record with letting the player choose how they want to handle a situation such as this. Seeing as how I, a straight male, can choose to romance any female I want OR play as a female and get some lesbian romance going (Liara is a woman goddammit), it seems only fair that those so inclined should be allowed to have a gay male Shepard.
Discussing an aspect of a game people find interesting = Telling Bioware what to doShycte said:
Caring about something you don't care about = Whining
9 pages of discussion = Nobody cares about this
Shycte = Someone who posts useful comments
What's it like Opposite World?
There's a big difference between being aggressive and being a jackass about it.Psychosocial said:
Whatever.
If you don't care, don't post in the thread. I don't care about Final Fantasy 13, but you don't see me going there and calling everyone who's talking about it a moron.Psychosocial said:
I would make that 9 pages of you and RyVal going YMCA, but if that is what you want to call disscussion then I really don't want to see what you're going to do when you ARE trying to whine.Mother Yeti said:
Besides, I said that no one wanted to hear you whine, not that nobody cared. [sub]You obviously do[/sub]
And how is not my post useful? I made my case clear to everyone. Maybe you just don't get the complicated words I used. Like "homophobic" and "solid". Really complicated.
"Going YMCA." Glad to meet a young man of such class. Again, if you don't want to hear what you perceive as "whining," go somewhere else. You're not the first to call me stupid for caring about what I care about, and you won't be the last, and it's not going to make me stop posting.Shycte said:
Anyway, your thesis is that I'm telling Bioware what to do. I would submit that I'm simply offering a criticism of a video game. This happens without comment about a thousand times a day on these forums, and yet when I do it it's because I'm an asshole who doesn't know her place. There's a disconnect there, Shycte.
I was talking about Shycte, not you. Also, I'm doing my best not to resort to name-calling, so is it unreasonable to ask that you do the same?Psychosocial said:
maybe they're not 100% comfortable with watching it or animating it themselves so they just dont. its theyre cll lads
When one think about it, homosexual sex is probably the sex in it's 'purest' form, meaning that it can impossibly be motivated by the breeding instinct. Knowing that few are still driven by that, I hope you do realise that it was not ment as the main point. What though is the main point, is that you have to remember the fact that, as stated, none of the 'lesbian relationships' involves any direct sexual intercourse. It mainly is about emotional love, and I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a bad thing to include.Mother Yeti said:
Then of course, there's the fact that there's no homosexual male relationship options. If this is to be viewed logically, it does appear to me as if at least Liara is driven to 'mate' with Sheppard both due to the love she feels for him/her, and that she feels like she wants to mate with them. Seeing as females are generally the reproductive gender, it would lose the aspect of honoring through off-spring that skillfully has been preserved as it is now. (Seeing as male sex would point towards a more raw sexual desire rather then stated above).
You're basing that on assumption though, you don't know that statement was their direct path. No amount of evidence you think you may find inside the game will directly unleash their true intentions unless they [Bioware] come out and say "Hey... We prefer lesbian sex over gay sex."RyVal said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Bioware made both Dragon Age and ME1 and 2?
Also correct me if I'm wrong, seeing as how I never played the game, but didn't Bioware make Dragon Age with the capability of allowing the player to choose his characters' sexuality whether it be straight, gay, or lesbian?
I ask this because, Dragon Age came out before Mass Effect 2. So if I was right in saying that they allowed full control over sexuality in Dragon Age... How are they all the sudden anti-gay for trying a different approach in a later game?
Your agenda is that you wish to see more homosexuals in games... Bioware is probably the only company that I can think of, that is accomplishing this without adding the homosexual characters in there that aren't comedy relief.
It is pretty bold to say that Bioware is playing favorites when they clearly aren't afraid of throwing full control over sexuality in their games, just because they decided to only meet half way in their next, regardless of it being intentional or not.
Not many gaming companies have achieved this, or have stepped over the matter by avoiding it all together... You've said it yourself, there are not that many games out there that allow the player the freedom of choice in their characters' sexuality.
To see you returning here, pointing the finger at Bioware, when they clearly had more guts than any other company, makes me wonder if deep down, you just want to scare them out of attempting it in their future games.
It's the controversy in this entire thread that scares most companies away when it comes to this subject matter. If I were a gaming company, I wouldn't want to have to deal with any of this either.
You're pushing the issue... That is indeed a good thing, but I think you're push towards Bioware for only meeting half way in ME2 is the wrong direction...
If they were bold enough to do it in Dragon Age, they are bold enough to do it in future games, it just didn't happen in ME2, be it intentional or unintentional... You can not state that they were pandering to lesbians being "hawt" as truth unless they came out and said it themselves...
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I just looked it up, yes the freedom of sexuality is in Dragon Age... I must be extremely tired that I'm not checking my sources before a post o.0;
Yeah, I wrote a huge post on page 7 about that, and contacted Kuliani and Logan Westbrook...Logan, who made the ban doesn't seem to want to read my whole message to him, and gives me a half-assed response.JaredXE said:
ExpirituExterminatus provided a link when he said, "malformed." Ok?
First off, the flaming originated with Mother Yeti, not to throw you under the bus, but it did. ExpirituExterminatus was expressing his opinion, and stating facts, along with defending himself over the shit you were saying to him Mother Yeti.
Now, what exactly is wrong with this statement? I don't know where he got his facts, as I can't find anything on how many adults have sexual thoughts about children, but you can't get mad at him for this comparison. It could be said, why not put more foot fetishists in games, etc. It's not known what causes a fetish, it is believed you can be born with it, or you could have it imprinted in your psych at an early age. Isn't this what a lot of people say about homosexuality? That's its not a choice...it just is what is is. And before you say it, no I am not calling homosexuality a fetish, I'm just trying to draw a parallel here.
Please re-read this and tell me what you don't understand. This is all completely legitimate logic.
He wasn't pleased with you calling a homophobe, because you can't just go throwing that word around. Who was asking someone to cram a gay character into the game? You were, Mother Yeti...sorry to tell you, but like he said you can't always have your way. Why aren't you complaining that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE isn't a lesbian? And FYI by saying, "It's weird enough that these aliens are sexually attracted to humans." You are saying that it is weird for a male to be attracted to another male.Mother Yeti said:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Sex in it's purest for would be Male with a Female, because the goal is reproduction, you can't reproduce in same sex sex. Not saying that there is anything wrong with that, but I believe sex feels good so we know to keep doing it...to keep reproducing. If it didn't feel good, I'm sure most people wouldn't even bother with it, and in that case you wouldn't have homosexual sex.Unguarded Toast said:
Lovely, The_ModeRazor, isn't it odd that the most hateful comment in the entire thread goes unnoticed, even though I included the fact that this was said in both of my messages to the mods?
Just quoting for truth.snowfox said:
NOTE: I may or may not have all of my facts straight, I'm only turning 16 in April...and I am in no way homophobic, so if I offend anyone, including the mods, it is not intentional.
Quoting huge posts is making my internet connection barf, so I'm just going to type straight. First off, I was using the "talk black" thing as a parallel to EE's statement that he doesn't mind gay people as long as they don't act all gay. I don't think that was at all unclear, so let's refrain from taking cheap shots.
I was probably far too harsh with EE, I'll admit. He probably would have responded better if I hadn't immediately called him a homophobe. However, if someone compares gay people to pedophiles and say that they have malformed brains, in addition to insinuating that he'll tolerate them as long as they hide who they are ... look, argue all you want, but if that's not homophobic, nothing's homophobic. That type of attitude just isn't okay, and I'm not going to apologize for it.
It doesn't matter if he posted a link or not, what got him banned is the fact that he said that gay people have "malformed brains." "Malformed" is absolutely a pejorative term, any reasonable person knows this, and for that reason no one is out of line by taking EE's comments as homophobic. You can post "facts" until the cows come home, but if you use language like that, you're going to raise eyebrows. No one's saying you have to agree, but please try to understand where we're coming from.
Please quote where I said Bioware should cram a stereotypically gay character into Mass Effect. All I said with respect to gameplay was that there's no reason that there couldn't be a same-sex romance option with one of the existing male characters. Nothing is being crammed. I have no idea why this is so confusing.
I gotta say, I'm not feeling your argument, Snowfox. First off, I would never flatter myself so as to think Bioware gives two shits about what I think. However, I'm not clear on how pointing out the romantic imbalances in Mass Effect would scare them away from doing this in their future games. This is a company which, right after having Mass Effect called a "rape simulator" on national television, released a game in which you can engage in basically every flavor of sex, including bestiality. Clearly they don't lack balls.
I was probably far too harsh with EE, I'll admit. He probably would have responded better if I hadn't immediately called him a homophobe. However, if someone compares gay people to pedophiles and say that they have malformed brains, in addition to insinuating that he'll tolerate them as long as they hide who they are ... look, argue all you want, but if that's not homophobic, nothing's homophobic. That type of attitude just isn't okay, and I'm not going to apologize for it.
It doesn't matter if he posted a link or not, what got him banned is the fact that he said that gay people have "malformed brains." "Malformed" is absolutely a pejorative term, any reasonable person knows this, and for that reason no one is out of line by taking EE's comments as homophobic. You can post "facts" until the cows come home, but if you use language like that, you're going to raise eyebrows. No one's saying you have to agree, but please try to understand where we're coming from.
Please quote where I said Bioware should cram a stereotypically gay character into Mass Effect. All I said with respect to gameplay was that there's no reason that there couldn't be a same-sex romance option with one of the existing male characters. Nothing is being crammed. I have no idea why this is so confusing.
I gotta say, I'm not feeling your argument, Snowfox. First off, I would never flatter myself so as to think Bioware gives two shits about what I think. However, I'm not clear on how pointing out the romantic imbalances in Mass Effect would scare them away from doing this in their future games. This is a company which, right after having Mass Effect called a "rape simulator" on national television, released a game in which you can engage in basically every flavor of sex, including bestiality. Clearly they don't lack balls.
Give me a break. Weak sauce, man, weak sauce.
Maybe the reason they did not include the ability to be a gay male shepard is because an overwhelming majority of their customers are straight males. A gay shepard just does seem as awesome as a Shepard who takes the captain kirk approach and the majority agrees with that statement.
Or maybe its because a the ability to be a gay guy doesnt sell as much as the ability to be a lesbian. I could actually see that hurting their sales because of the parents who dont care about violence, but when it comes to sex and especially gay sex, well thats just where the developers crossed the line and fox news calls for a boycott.
Or it could just be that the developers didnt want to spend the extra resources to make what would probably be the least seen cutscenes in the game.
Edit: Also who cares? does it really matter what game developers do with their game? lastly whats with all the people trying to apply this to the outside world all the original poster asked was if this was a little hypocritical.
Or maybe its because a the ability to be a gay guy doesnt sell as much as the ability to be a lesbian. I could actually see that hurting their sales because of the parents who dont care about violence, but when it comes to sex and especially gay sex, well thats just where the developers crossed the line and fox news calls for a boycott.
Or it could just be that the developers didnt want to spend the extra resources to make what would probably be the least seen cutscenes in the game.
Edit: Also who cares? does it really matter what game developers do with their game? lastly whats with all the people trying to apply this to the outside world all the original poster asked was if this was a little hypocritical.
